Gotham Gotham Season 2, Episode 4 "Strike Force" General Discussion

[godisawesome]

Since that interview on Selina implies we're going to see her getting her fur ruffled at Silver's existence, I'm thinking we're not done yet with her and Bruce interacting. Plus, I think they may set up a new dynamic of the relationship spinning out of what really worked last year with the character, Bruce's desire to train, and one of the common socio-economic issue of Batman:

I figure a good move would be to have Bruce and Silver hit it off, but have Selina maintain contact with Bruce, possibly even by continuing her infiltration of high society events. One of the themes they'll establish should be how disconnected Silver and the upper crust are from Selina's world, and have her kind of call out Bruce for ignoring the little people to get in the parties and such. So eventually, for whatever reason, Bruce will add to his training regimen by going proto-Matches Malone with Selina to learn her roof-hopping skills, while getting a taste of the desperation in the alleyways and warehouses, so we can see him turning on the insulated high society and gain a respect for people who are desperate.

 

[ALittlePush]

heh
Exactly what it reminded me of too. t:

Blade Runner wasn't the only filmed referenced. Bruce and Alfred's exchange of "You expect me to walk?" "No Master Bruce, I expect you to run" is very similar to Goldfinger's "You expect me to talk?" "No Mr Bond, I expect you to die"

 

[Guts]

Oh, sweet, didn't realize Pris from Blade Runner would be in this episode. On Penguin's right hand side when he sits down in the opening scene.

It reminded me of the Clockwork Orange reference in Batman and Robin.

 

[Guts]

Blade Runner wasn't the only filmed referenced. Bruce and Alfred's exchange of "You expect me to walk?" "No Master Bruce, I expect you to run" is very similar to Goldfinger's "You expect me to talk?" "No Mr Bond, I expect you to die"

Nathaniel Barnes plan to put students from the academy in his strike force reminded me of the Untouchables.

 

[Guts]

 

[hellblazer103]

best. gif set. ever.

 

[WeatherWizard99]

best. gif set. ever.

galavan's face xD

 

[Taarna]

How long do you think Chiklis' character will last? Obviously up to at least episode 9 but do you think he will survive the season?

I hope he lasts a long time. Chiklis is a big time upgrade over the previous police captain.

Gotham seems to have hit its groove. Another very good episode. If they can keep this momentum going legions of fans will come back, and newer ones will be tuning in.

I finally got to see the Riddler on a date with Kringle. And it seems young Bruce is going to be played a bit by a school girl.

-T

 

[SuperBatman]

I really liked this episode but I still miss the effect of Jerome. Even though he was a bit over the top he was still entertaining to watch. Oh well Im sure I'll get over it

Its obvious Selina is already in love with Bruce as we all know the way that releationship goes in the comics.

Poor Penguins mother Theo Galavan really would do anything to get what he wants but what exactly is his agenda.

Looks like next week don't click if you didn't watch the promo or maybe want to know.

Spoiler

Say a Glispe of someone using a Flamethrower looks like that's Gotham version of FireFly and it looks like it might be the start of the Court of Owls.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

They better get rid of Penguin's mother ASAP, she makes him even more whimper than usual.

 

[ALittlePush]

I really liked this episode but I still miss the effect of Jerome.

I agree. I think it's worse because we know he's dead rather than sent back to Arkham but it was obvious they couldn't have him run free all season. Still, they shouldn't have killed him off, that was a bad decision and means they can't use the character in the future if they need to boost ratings.

Its obvious Selina is already in love with Bruce as we all know the way that releationship goes in the comics.

Whilst this show doesn't seem to be following comic continuity, e.g. Maroni being killed before he threw the acid in Harvey Dent's face and turned him into Two Face, it is obvious there is going to be a love triangle between Selina, Bruce and Silver St cloud. Perhaps Selina realises that Galavan is using Silver to manipulate Bruce but when she tries to warn him, Bruce accuses her of being jealous?

Poor Penguins mother Theo Galavan really would do anything to get what he wants but what exactly is his agenda.

I guarantee if Theo Galavan harms or kills Penguin's mother, then Penguin will go on the warpath and Theo will regret ever going against Penguin. He underestimates Oswald and that is going to come back and bite him in the arse.

 

[Silly Cat]

I guarantee if Theo Galavan harms or kills Penguin's mother, then Penguin will go on the warpath and Theo will regret ever going against Penguin. He underestimates Oswald and that is going to come back and bite him in the arse.

Which honestly I feel Penguin NEEDS in order for him to become truly diabolical as a villain. He has it in him...but his mother is always the thing tripping him up.

His mother has to go.

She is what they call a 'liability', which Penguin's enemies can use to get at him because his love for her is his weakness. That is why so many Superheroes have secret identities...to protect the people they love, because loved ones are an easy target for enemies.

So long as he is still shackled to his 'mommy', I don't feel Oswald is going to be able to completely come into his own. Those apron strings need to be cut.

 

[The Guard]

They better get rid of Penguin's mother ASAP, she makes him even more whimper than usual.

All that wimpy homicide...stabbings and the like.

Eh, Penguin has always been at his most interesting as a character when there is an element of pathetic desperation to his actions, even when he has amassed power.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

You can be wimpy and still be a psychopath killer
I don't like his mother role and impact on Penguin's rise to power.

 

[Lamashtar]

Which honestly I feel Penguin NEEDS in order for him to become truly diabolical as a villain. He has it in him...but his mother is always the thing tripping him up.

His mother has to go.

She is what they call a 'liability', which Penguin's enemies can use to get at him because his love for her is his weakness. That is why so many Superheroes have secret identities...to protect the people they love, because loved ones are an easy target for enemies.

So long as he is still shackled to his 'mommy', I don't feel Oswald is going to be able to completely come into his own. Those apron strings need to be cut.

Oh, hi, Satan!

 

[Silly Cat]

oh, hi, Satan!

what's with the name calling?

Just because I think Penguins mother should be killed off? Its not that I don't like her but she HAS been used against him before, she's his weakness.

Just my opinion

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

Which honestly I feel Penguin NEEDS in order for him to become truly diabolical as a villain. He has it in him...but his mother is always the thing tripping him up.

His mother has to go.

She is what they call a 'liability', which Penguin's enemies can use to get at him because his love for her is his weakness. That is why so many Superheroes have secret identities...to protect the people they love, because loved ones are an easy target for enemies.

So long as he is still shackled to his 'mommy', I don't feel Oswald is going to be able to completely come into his own. Those apron strings need to be cut.

You explained it exactly as I thought but with more words, details and arguments

 

[ALittlePush]

Which honestly I feel Penguin NEEDS in order for him to become truly diabolical as a villain. He has it in him...but his mother is always the thing tripping him up.

His mother has to go.

She is what they call a 'liability', which Penguin's enemies can use to get at him because his love for her is his weakness. That is why so many Superheroes have secret identities...to protect the people they love, because loved ones are an easy target for enemies.

So long as he is still shackled to his 'mommy', I don't feel Oswald is going to be able to completely come into his own. Those apron strings need to be cut.

I can see where you're coming from. However, I think it is too early for Penguin to go full on villain at this point in time. He's still in the process of making his mark and Bruce is still 5/6 years away from becoming Batman (if he becomes Batman at 18) so in that respect I hope they don't kill off Penguin's mother just yet.

Saying that, if they did kill off Penguin's mother this season then the Galavans had better watch out. Penguin knows that Theo was responsible for the Arkham breakout and that his "heroic" deeds are false so without his mother to use as leverage, penguin is a very loose and very vengeful canon. Even if Penguin's mother is returned to him and then she dies of natural causes, Penguin would still want revenge as the Galavans would have robbed him of spending time with his mother before her death.

I do think if Penguin goes after Theo Galavan then it won't be a quick revenge. Penguin is going to want to destroy Theo's "hero" reputation before killing him.

 

[Dark Phantom]

I really find it interesting how there's this sort of identity crisis happening with Cobblepot compared to the self-proclaimed destiny he rehearsed in the first season.

He's trying to reintroduce the name "Penguin" to Gotham as something different than what he created and is now known for since season one.

Think about it. The clothes and the honorable kiss of death self marks him as a mobster of sorts, but you hear him say, "I'm a builder, not a destroyer." He has this image of himself being none of which he has done, which I find characteristically ironic and he's beginning to realize that escaping his beginnings as "Mooney's umbrella boy" will be one of the toughest bullets to dodge.

The original concept of The Penguin was meant to personalize not only a cigarette company logo, but a corrupt aristocrat. So to see the actor playing this version of Cobblepot actually show somewhat of a concern for the residential area of his city makes this Penguin so much more superior than portrayals from the past. It shows layers that this guy for all his issues and faults still believes himself to be the savior who was never given a chance.

 

[Lamashtar]

what's with the name calling?

Just because I think Penguins mother should be killed off? Its not that I don't like her but she HAS been used against him before, she's his weakness.

Just my opinion

Um, sorry, its a common joke people make to highlight their feeling of horror at what they've read. You're talking about how to make someone more evil.

 

[Silly Cat]

Um, sorry, its a common joke people make to highlight their feeling of horror at what they've read. You're talking about how to make someone more evil.

A fictional character, not a real person.

If wanting one of your favorite villains to be more villainous is 'horrifying' then I guess I should stop watching and reading comic books and comic book films altogether...as the supervillains are usually as big a draw for me as the superheroes.

 

[MidnightJoker]

Blade Runner wasn't the only filmed referenced. Bruce and Alfred's exchange of "You expect me to walk?" "No Master Bruce, I expect you to run" is very similar to Goldfinger's "You expect me to talk?" "No Mr Bond, I expect you to die"

I caught that and thought the same thing as well!

 

[Taarna]

I can see where you're coming from. However, I think it is too early for Penguin to go full on villain at this point in time. He's still in the process of making his mark and Bruce is still 5/6 years away from becoming Batman (if he becomes Batman at 18) so in that respect I hope they don't kill off Penguin's mother just yet.

Saying that, if they did kill off Penguin's mother this season then the Galavans had better watch out. Penguin knows that Theo was responsible for the Arkham breakout and that his "heroic" deeds are false so without his mother to use as leverage, penguin is a very loose and very vengeful canon. Even if Penguin's mother is returned to him and then she dies of natural causes, Penguin would still want revenge as the Galavans would have robbed him of spending time with his mother before her death.

I do think if Penguin goes after Theo Galavan then it won't be a quick revenge. Penguin is going to want to destroy Theo's "hero" reputation before killing him.

The Penguin act masks his intellectual genius. He looks like an oddball character with a temper to match, but he's very calculating and knows how to read human emotions as well as anyone.

If he gets his mother back, he might like the idea ( for now ) of a crook like Galvan becoming the mayor then secretly undermining the Gotham City Police Department.

My theory is Jerome is not dead. Remember Jerome died in a " magic act ". He could come back to kill Galvan. Way out there on a limb....just saying!

 

[ALittlePush]

My theory is Jerome is not dead. Remember Jerome died in a " magic act ". He could come back to kill Galvan. Way out there on a limb....just saying!

Maybe it's not so out there. That's two consecutive episodes where they've referenced Jerome after his supposed death. Last week's "Ginger maniac" line then this week Galavan told Jim of his "trauma" about killing a man. Once is coincidence, twice is suspicious.

 

[The Guard]

Well, Joker did "die" early on in the comics.