BvS Henry Cavill IS Superman - Part 1

[Llama_Shepherd]

The repetitive negative comments and sometimes scathing critiques of every little detail in MOS would generally fall under trashing. Sorry. I don't think you mean to be that way, but it's kind of how I view most of your posts. But I still like you. t:

I've never intended to be scathing. There are many positives to Man of Steel, and as I've said in other threads, I'm more likely to re-watch it over any of the Marvel solos.

But I acknowledge the film has some very real flaws that now can't be solved as they are tied to the origin and the reason for Superman existing in this world.

And oh stop it, you'll make me blush

 

[Tempest]

I've never intended to be scathing. There are many positives to Man of Steel, and as I've said in other threads, I'm more likely to re-watch it over any of the Marvel solos.

As it should be. -grin- But do not speak of the M-word to me.

But I acknowledge the film has some very real flaws that now can't be solved as they are tied to the origin and the reason for Superman existing in this world.

Who ever said MOS wasn't flawed? I don't know of anyone really (well, maybe one exception...) who hasn't said there weren't flaws or certain things that went wrong with the film.

And honestly, for a Superman film, it was pretty darn good. When you consider the original story for him, it's all kind of just silly.

And oh stop it, you'll make me blush

Awww. See, I really can be fun!

 

[DKDetective]

Yeah that's why many peoples expectations were not fullfied and not giving a chance even if the movie was pretty good t:

That's not fair, just because people disagree with you about the film doesn't mean that their opinions need to be flawed in some way and based on them not giving the film a chance.

Let's take for instance, the debate about the imagery of destruction, films aren't just about hard, solid plot points. It's a visual medium. It doesn't matter that outside of the imagery of destruction in Metropolis at the end that 99.99999% of the rest of the Earth is untouched. The film's imagery doesn't really show or emphasize that. You get a bunch of dark scenes i the rumble and then go straight into a twilight hour grudge match with a very dark ending. It's completely understandable why many would feel like that is an overly dark ending for a Superman film. After all, Superman is supposed to be the optimistic hero, the symbol of hope. And no, I'm not some Donner/Reeve fanatic. I just feel like Snyder and Goyer failed in bringing to life the Post-Crisis Superman I grew up loving. Hell, if the film was just coloured more brightly and vibrantly, it might help with a lot of the oppressiveness of certain scenes.

 

[Tempest]

That's not fair, just because people disagree with you about the film doesn't mean that their opinions need to be flawed in some way and based on them not giving the film a chance.

Let's take for instance, the debate about the imagery of destruction, films aren't just about hard, solid plot points. It's a visual medium. It doesn't matter that outside of the imagery of destruction in Metropolis at the end that 99.99999% of the rest of the Earth is untouched. The film's imagery doesn't really show or emphasize that. You get a bunch of dark scenes i the rumble and then go straight into a twilight hour grudge match with a very dark ending. It's completely understandable why many would feel like that is an overly dark ending for a Superman film. After all, Superman is supposed to be the optimistic hero, the symbol of hope. And no, I'm not some Donner/Reeve fanatic. I just feel like Snyder and Goyer failed in bringing to life the Post-Crisis Superman I grew up loving. Hell, if the film was just coloured more brightly and vibrantly, it might help with a lot of the oppressiveness of certain scenes.

Ah, but was the goal of the film to bring Post-Crisis Superman to the big screen? No.

And this is where the disconnect people have had. They wanted a particular Superman, and they got something else entirely.

 

[DKDetective]

Ah, but was the goal of the film to bring Post-Crisis Superman to the big screen? No.

And this is where the disconnect people have had. They wanted a particular Superman, and they got something else entirely.

Urggh, why did I put that line in there. Not what I meant, overtired. I was open to a new interpretation, but i felt like the script was dumb, the ideas underdeveloped and certain key elements of what makes something a good Superman story missing. And it's not just that the movie is not my preferred version of Superman. S:TM is not my preferred version of Superman, but I enjoy it and it's take on the mythos because it has so many great qualities. All in all, Nolan's more grounded take on Batman (at least BB to TDK) is my preferred version, but I also really enjoy and appreciate BTAS and the Arkham series. Actually, BTAS is probably level with the Nolanverse, despite being very different in many ways. So I still think it is a straw man argument to say that people simply dislike MOS because it is not their preferred version of Superman and they can't open their minds to something different.

 

[John-An]

Some new pics of Henry filming the man from U.N.C.L.E

 

[John-An]

Ah, but was the goal of the film to bring Post-Crisis Superman to the big screen? No.

And this is where the disconnect people have had. They wanted a particular Superman, and they got something else entirely.

Yeah that was we were trying to say.... some people don't get it..

 

[Tempest]

Urggh, why did I put that line in there. Not what I meant, overtired. I was open to a new interpretation, but i felt like the script was dumb, the ideas underdeveloped and certain key elements of what makes something a good Superman story missing. And it's not just that the movie is not my preferred version of Superman. S:TM is not my preferred version of Superman, but I enjoy it and it's take on the mythos because it has so many great qualities. All in all, Nolan's more grounded take on Batman (at least BB to TDK) is my preferred version, but I also really enjoy and appreciate BTAS and the Arkham series. Actually, BTAS is probably level with the Nolanverse, despite being very different in many ways. So I still think it is a straw man argument to say that people simply dislike MOS because it is not their preferred version of Superman and they can't open their minds to something different.

Well, whatever. I disagree on your first two points, but I have no idea what you mean by key elements for Superman without you being waaaay more specific.

It's fine, MOS didn't trip your trigger. I get it. But I do think that your post revealed more than you meant to. Freudian slip and all that. It's all good.

Oh and here's Henry:

 

[John-An]

That's not fair, just because people disagree with you about the film doesn't mean that their opinions need to be flawed in some way and based on them not giving the film a chance.

Let's take for instance, the debate about the imagery of destruction, films aren't just about hard, solid plot points. It's a visual medium. It doesn't matter that outside of the imagery of destruction in Metropolis at the end that 99.99999% of the rest of the Earth is untouched. The film's imagery doesn't really show or emphasize that. You get a bunch of dark scenes i the rumble and then go straight into a twilight hour grudge match with a very dark ending. It's completely understandable why many would feel like that is an overly dark ending for a Superman film. After all, Superman is supposed to be the optimistic hero, the symbol of hope. And no, I'm not some Donner/Reeve fanatic. I just feel like Snyder and Goyer failed in bringing to life the Post-Crisis Superman I grew up loving. Hell, if the film was just coloured more brightly and vibrantly, it might help with a lot of the oppressiveness of certain scenes.

Man I think you don't understand.
First the amount of destruction and the casualties are not as many claimed. As you can see here..

you know it was a pretty big city and the attack was at the center of metropolis also knowing that the amount of destruction was 25% IMO that THANKS TO SUPERMAN most of the lifes were saved by stopping the WE.

you did say it OPINIONS but some of their opinions (I´m not saying all) fail to be an opinion and look as if were biased reviews talking about nosense just because they didn't present the OMNIPRESENT, ALL I CAN FIX SUPERMAN (That as you should know was only the Donner one and precrisis cause the one of the comics Byrne and most comics essence that this movie is based was about Superman never give up no matter if he can't save everyone and making mistakes, the key is his courage and KEEP trying to do the best THAT'S SUPERMAN )
and those Superman's donner and precrisis one now in the 21st century are just oldfashioned and don't fit, you know FACTUAL...
Snyder and Goyer did a great job doing that PRESENTING a hero with troubles showing that he cannot save everyone no matter how powerful he is and putting in a position that any othe hero wasn't (I see how they had the balls to do it knowing some people will not in favor)
the emotion was enough to make the character realistic not the fantasy world just laughing and smiling, putting how superman felt at all his childhood and youth (feelings, problems, bulling). But we see no matter how suffered he always took the best of the people and appreciate the good things some people did to him, the symbol of hope was there, savings, fighting, destroying the WE with his powers decreasing, never giving up, the scene of Lois at the scout ship, the kid clark scene, and choosing the humans over his race that was HOPE (never GIVING UP) that was SUPERMAN..
I've never said that the movie hadn't flaws(as any other movie has) and respect your opinion but just can't agree with "some people's" "reviews"...

 

[sf2]

Superman doesn't have a massive fanbase. He just has the most enduring and greatest iconography.

well, it's a relativity question.
if compared to batman's / spidey's or maybe ironman's fanbase, superman's may not be as many as them.

but we are comparing with all those nominated movies, surely their fanbase isn't as many as superman / MOS, especially the hardcore fans. therefore, i'm skeptical it's a fair voting and is by the people. i'm inclined to believe it's a sabotage for whatever reason.

 

[John-An]

well, it's a relativity question.
if compared to batman's / spidey's or maybe ironman's fanbase, superman's may not be as many as them.

but we are comparing with all those nominated movies, surely their fanbase isn't as many as superman / MOS, especially the hardcore fans. therefore, i'm skeptical it's a fair voting and is by the people. i'm inclined to believe it's a sabotage for whatever reason.

Cinematically of course not.. but in the comics and animated Superman has plenty and as many as the ones you've mentioned

 

[the last son]

Lol just watched Cavill in Hellraiser.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

 

[slumcat]

This shot aint in the movie right? Where is this from?

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

This shot aint in the movie right? Where is this from?

In the film, they only show him from the waist up during this particular scene. Not sure where the pic is from, i.e., the original source. Just found it searching the interwebs.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

 

[slumcat]

In the film, they only show him from the waist up during this particular scene. Not sure where the pic is from, i.e., the original source. Just found it searching the interwebs.

Actually they show him from the waist up during almost the entire movie when he is in the Superman suit. I think we get very few full body shots.

Maybe they were just being coy.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Actually they show him from the waist up during almost the entire movie when he is in the Superman suit. I think we get very few full body shots.

Maybe they were just being coy.

True. By the way, I found out those new images are promo shots from the live event Kevin Smith is hosting tomorrow.

 

[The Shield]

Next movie saturation... Just sayin...

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Next movie saturation... Just sayin...

That looks awesome. ::cries::

 

[The Shield]

I wishwe could just change the situation on the DVDs to whatever we like.

 

[Glassjaw]

Next movie saturation... Just sayin...

I wouldn't be surprised if we got something like this. I think this new film, being filled with more super heroes, will have a direct effect on the colour palette. It's going to be a more colourful world for sure. At least, Superman's world will be more colourful. I can't see Synder passing up the opportunity to show the differences between Batman and Superman, Gotham and Metropolis visually, by having different colours and tones for each side/city/hero.

PS. That suit.

DAT SUIT.

Seriously. Best superhero film costume ever.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

I think that blue is just a tad too bright.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

I think that blue is just a tad too bright.

Agreed.

Although I think a more saturated suit looks great in a photo here on the forums, I personally thought the way the suit looked in the movie fit the movie's tone.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

I wouldn't be surprised if we got something like this. I think this new film, being filled with more super heroes, will have a direct effect on the colour palette. It's going to be a more colourful world for sure. At least, Superman's world will be more colourful. I can't see Synder passing up the opportunity to show the differences between Batman and Superman, Gotham and Metropolis visually, by having different colours and tones for each side/city/hero.

PS. That suit.

DAT SUIT.

Seriously. Best superhero film costume ever.

Hope so.