Henry Cavill IS Superman: - - - Part 12

[Anita18]

Why is he with Gina Carano? I just imagined he'd date somebody more feminine.

They both probably like to work out?

I find it awesome that he's dating someone who can (hypothetically) keep up with him. His former fianceé was also no slouch herself, being an accomplished athlete in her own right.

Also, Gina Carano cleans up real good. I wouldn't call her masculine at all when she's dolled up.

 

[B]

Why is he with Gina Carano? I just imagined he'd date somebody more feminine.

Anytime I've ever seen Gina Carano when she was fighting, she always seems pretty feminine in interviews, she's certainly not masculine, she's feminine.. but she just happens to be able no beat the bejeezus out of you as well.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I think Gina is very beautiful. Usually I sneer when people bring up that word to describe every woman in the entertainment industry (They shouldn't have to be beautiful if they get the job done) but I think Carano is a real looker. And I just knew her looks would be overrated when I first heard about her. I was waiting to kindly say "nah" but I was wrong. And she is feminine to me.

 

[Mad Love]

His ex was an athlete as well. I'm guessing he likes sporty girls. From what I've seen Gina Carano is feminine. She seems nice.

 

[ConnorKon-El]

I really like Gina. I watched a few interviews of hers, and i really dig her personality. And she's very pretty. I can see why Henry likes her. She seems like she's a strong woman with a bold personality.

 

[DKDetective]

Gina is a gorgeous Amazonian (in the best sense of the term) beauty. If she was a strong acting talent, she would be perfect for Wonder Woman.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

If she was a strong acting talent, she would be perfect for Wonder Woman.

Alas, she is not.

 

[RoughNTumble]

cyborg is the only unfeminine woman fighter imo

 

[jacobed]

Alas, she is not.

She's not bad though

 

[BH/HHH]

I'm the newest contributor at WhatCulture.com

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Awesome congrats

 

[AnneFan]

I'm the newest contributor at WhatCulture.com

My first article may go up tonight..we'll see t:

Way to go Senty!

 

[Project862006]

thread needs more henry

 

[DKDetective]

I just realized you can see his 8-pack activating and contracting while he runs there. Frigging ridiculous. The guy honestly looks more powerful than a locomotive there.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

I just realized you can see his 8-pack activating and contracting while he runs there. Frigging ridiculous. The guy honestly looks more powerful than a locomotive there.

He's definitely John Byrne's Superman right there..

 

[AnneFan]

He's definitely John Byrne's Superman right there..

Chainsaws are for wimps. Just pull the tree out by the root - with your bare hands.

 

[Naite22]

thread needs more henry

Try watching this and not feel a little bit conflicted about your sexual identity! Haha

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Why is he with Gina Carano? I just imagined he'd date somebody more feminine.

Depends what you mean by feminine.

I think Carano is incredibly sexy and womanly. She's just not delicate and girly. And considering what he just said about how he likes his women, it makes much more sense for him to be with a woman like her than the more 'wholesome' seeming horsey girl he was with before.

 

[Audrey]

They both probably like to work out?

I find it awesome that he's dating someone who can (hypothetically) keep up with him. His former fianceé was also no slouch herself, being an accomplished athlete in her own right.

Also, Gina Carano cleans up real good. I wouldn't call her masculine at all when she's dolled up.

Just watch implying that women have to be able to physically "keep up" with a man in order to actually "keep up" with him in terms of equality. That's a trap that alot of people get into. I know you meant it as a compliment to female athletes but that kind of conversation actually can lead you down a road that doesn't actually do women any favors.

Any woman that Henry chose to date could "keep up with him" whether she was a professional fighter or not because the nature of relationships is rooted in our intellectual equality and not in her bodies. Just watch that.

I'm not a huge fan of Gina Carano. I don't think she's a good actress and I have some issues with some of the ways in which she has handled herself over the years. I think she's been both an advocate for women in fighting and yet, at the same time, done things and said things that have hurt women at the same time. So I'm not a fan of her.

That said, there is no such thing as a woman being "too masculine." Women are allowed to look and act however they please. I don't have to personally like the woman to stand up for her right to look however she pleases.

 

[Audrey]

Gina is a gorgeous Amazonian (in the best sense of the term) beauty. If she was a strong acting talent, she would be perfect for Wonder Woman.

Honestly, even if she was a strong acting talent (which she's not) I don't think she'd be right for Wonder Woman.

First off, I don't think physically she is as much as match as people think. I think she's too short. I think if a 5'8'' actor would be too short to play Superman (and clearly it would be) then it's too short for Wonder Woman as Diana is actually TALLER than Superman in some continuities. Second, as attractive as she is, her face doesn't match my personal vision of Wonder Woman.

I think Gina's joy and comfort zone is in fighting and stunts and btw, I commend her for that. I'm not a huge fan of hers but I never want to take away from what she enjoys or has accomplished.

Wonder Woman, to me, is such a complex figure, in part, bc she is so often so wildly misunderstood. So many people few her as this badass fighter which she is....but she's also not.

Yes, Diana is a warrior but she's designed to be a warrior for peace and love...not for pain. The woman that plays Diana really should have a regal, majestic and gentle quality to them because that actually is who Diana was designed to be.

The woman that plays Wonder Woman can't just be a kickass fighter with a muscular body. She has to literally be able to have the grace and inner beauty of a Princess. She has to be wise beyond measure. She has to be rooted in incredible peace and love in her character.

I think Gina is a really cute girl. I don't judge her for any of the choices she has made. I defend a woman's right to get plastic surgery if it makes her feel better about herself so I'm not picking on that factor either as i've seen others do. But she is not the right choice nor the answer to Wonder Woman.

What WB needs to do here is the same thing they did for the men: they need to find the BEST ACTRESS possible who really can embody the complex emotions and then they need to TRAIN that actress how to fight and train her body. It took Cavill months on end to train to play Superman and they should give any woman cast the same amount of time to get ready. That's the only way to be truly equal here. To treat the women just like they treat the men and cast for the PERSON first and then train them later.

So while I wish Henry and Gina the best in their personal lives, I would really prefer if they kept their personal lives out of the future of the Superman franchise as I don't want their relationship to impact choices that are made in the Superman franchise in any way, shape or form.

 

[Audrey]

I swear it's like he's just describing me personally

Yeah but he's wrong about the whole "women would rather look at other naked women than naked men" thing.

Oh Henry...honey...that's something that men have convinced themselves in the entertainment culture in order to continue to endorse this idea that women's bodies are to be exploited while men's bodies are put to use.

It's a complete fallacy that heterosexual women don't like to look at naked men. It's this idea that has been out there for ages and it's an idea that has been used, in many ways, to continue this idea that we should objectify women because they are just so beautiful as opposed to viewing both the male and female body the same in that respect. It also, in a way, continues to teach women to not talk about their sexual urges for men bc we repeatedly get told that we don't like to look at naked men as much as they like to look at us.

I adore Henry. I understand what he was trying to say bc lots of men say stuff like that. But Henry....not quite, honey. Not quite.

 

[Audrey]

I actually agree with Cavill on the naked dudes vs. naked chicks thing. Maybe it's because female nudity is more prevalent but the full frontal nudity from the guy in Rust and Bone was more uncomfortable to me than Marion Cotillard showing her boobs. I even commented on how great her breasts were.

Some people think that's an odd thing coming from me (I've gotten odd looks from some of the fam) considering I dig dudes but I think a lot of people feel that way regardless of their sexuality.

See and I don't agree with this.

I think the reason people feel this way is because our culture treats the female body as something to be objectified. Unfortunately, I think our tendency to view the female body as gorgeous and the male body as not as beautiful is deeply rooted in centuries of exploitation of women.

We get told as women from a very early age that our bodies are to be put on display for the pleasure of others. Whereas, men get conditioned differently. Men are also taught to view women's bodies as something for their consumption which also leads to this belief that gets ingrained in the culture. I think it's a really complex convo.

Which is not to say that it's not a GREAT thing to love your body. As a woman, I love my body. I'm proud of my body. I love my sexuality and I LOVE admiring other women and finding beautiful things about other women even though I personally choose to have sex with men.

Male nudity has been turned into a taboo in our culture whereas we are so conditioned to seeing female nudity and the female body on display that it changes our response to it entirely. We've been trained to admire another woman's breasts but to feel awkward when a man is naked on the screen. That's why you very rarely get as much male nudity on film as you do with women---because this exists in our culture.

Sorry, I know that might be an annoying response to some people. And I know my response might not be the "cool" one here. I adore Henry. But I actually think his words, though well intentioned, signal one of the larger cultural conditionings we have about sex and nudity and it's not actually a good thing. He meant nothing bad by it but it's kind of a bad habit in our larger culture for men to try and speak about what women want and like based on a cultural conditioning that has made it almost impossible for women to figure out what they want and like outside of the male gaze. (Yes, I'm sorry...I don't mean to bring down the fun.)

I still love you though, Henry!

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I acknowledged that my feelings definitely might be a result of the culture I live in Audrey.

And don't apologize for your opinions. I'm a woman with strong convictions and I adore when other women do not shy away from saying what they mean.

I know this word has been perverted to mean "man hater" by hateful people who want to keep women in their places but I'm a feminist down to the bone. I might seem to hold some contradictory opinions at times but I am one.

I really disagree with you about Wonder Woman's height, I think that 5.8" is a fine height for the role in live action.

 

[elgaz]

See and I don't agree with this.

I think the reason people feel this way is because our culture treats the female body as something to be objectified. Unfortunately, I think our tendency to view the female body as gorgeous and the male body as not as beautiful is deeply rooted in centuries of exploitation of women.

We get told as women from a very early age that our bodies are to be put on display for the pleasure of others. Whereas, men get conditioned differently. Men are also taught to view women's bodies as something for their consumption which also leads to this belief that gets ingrained in the culture. I think it's a really complex convo.

Which is not to say that it's not a GREAT thing to love your body. As a woman, I love my body. I'm proud of my body. I love my sexuality and I LOVE admiring other women and finding beautiful things about other women even though I personally choose to have sex with men.

Male nudity has been turned into a taboo in our culture whereas we are so conditioned to seeing female nudity and the female body on display that it changes our response to it entirely. We've been trained to admire another woman's breasts but to feel awkward when a man is naked on the screen. That's why you very rarely get as much male nudity on film as you do with women---because this exists in our culture.

Sorry, I know that might be an annoying response to some people. And I know my response might not be the "cool" one here. I adore Henry. But I actually think his words, though well intentioned, signal one of the larger cultural conditionings we have about sex and nudity and it's not actually a good thing. He meant nothing bad by it but it's kind of a bad habit in our larger culture for men to try and speak about what women want and like based on a cultural conditioning that has made it almost impossible for women to figure out what they want and like outside of the male gaze. (Yes, I'm sorry...I don't mean to bring down the fun.)

I still love you though, Henry!

I see your points and they're all valid ones. But sometimes you have to cast asides all the reasons relating to feminism and accept that, to some people, it's purely a cosmetic thing.

Some people simply find the female body more slender, more lithe, more graceful, and more beautiful than a man's body. Admiration of that does not always have to have anything to do with female exploitation and does not have to have it's roots based in some objectification of women.

 

[Audrey]

I see your points and they're all valid ones. But sometimes you have to cast asides all the reasons relating to feminism and accept that, to some people, it's purely a cosmetic thing.

Some people simply find the female body more slender, more lithe, more graceful, and more beautiful than a man's body. Admiration of that does not always have to have anything to do with female exploitation and does not have to have it's roots based in some objectification of women.

Umm..no...I don't have to do anything, thanks.

This is a classic form of derailment. I raised valid concerns, challenged the issue and you derailed it by dismissing my points and then telling me basically that I "had" to do something.

I never said that the female body wasn't gorgeous. In fact, if you actually read my words you'll see that I say outright that I think the female body is gorgeous. I'm a woman. I love my body. I like admiring other women.

But if you don't understand that our entire perception of women being more worthy of being admired and looked it than men is rooted in centuries of female exploitation than you are incorrect.

There is no such thing as something being "purely cosmetic thing" because your entire perception and understanding of what "cosmetic" means and what is pleasing to you does NOT live in a vacumn--it's something you LEARNED growing up in a culture that teaches you on a daily basis that women are to be looked at and admired for what is on the outside first and foremost.

Nothing about your perception of what you find attractive is a "purely cosmetic thing." You learned it. ALL people are affected by this. There is no way to escape it as it's imprinted on you from the moment you are born and the Doctor says, "It's a girl" or "It's a boy."

Now, that doesn't mean that we can't appreciate and admire female beauty. On the contrary, I think it's wonderful to celebrate ALL beauty. I celebrate being a woman. I love my body. But it's also not good to brush off legitimate conversations like this and to pretend that we aren't influenced by this things and that they don't affect us. They do. Every single day. And these little ideas about gender and beauty that seem so innocent actually do have larger consequences.

As I said, it doesn't change how I feel about Henry. I like him a great deal. My own husband says stuff like this and it doesn't change the way I feel about him either. But none of this stuff exists in a vacumn and you are wrong if you think that it does for ANYONE.

 

[Visceral]

Is that the house of el key around his neck?