BvS Henry Cavill IS Superman - Part 2

[hafizbat]

One poster in another thread something about Idris Elba not being a suitable choice for a John Stewart Green Lantern because he has far superior screen presence and gravitas than Cavill, and it would seem out of place for Cavill to command him or be his leader.

While I don't completely agree, I can see where that poster is coming from. But we just saw a rookie Superman, one who was thrown into this situation and at times looked lost. He was basically the definition of a rookie, but he did have glimpses of the commanding, leader Superman as well.

My favorite instances of this were when he says "Don't play games with me, general." while floating above. That to me was EXACTLY spot on for a Superman who can lead the likes of Batman, GL, WW etc, all of whom are strong alpha males (female WW) in their own right.

Thoughts? I think Cavill has what it takes to bring that screen presence as we see this Superman grow into his role.

 

[Boy Scout]

I'd have to see how Cavill does in B/S before I can say for sure, but I think he'd do a good job.

 

[charl_huntress]

One poster in another thread something about Idris Elba not being a suitable choice for a John Stewart Green Lantern because he has far superior screen presence and gravitas than Cavill, and it would seem out of place for Cavill to command him or be his leader.

While I don't completely agree, I can see where that poster is coming from. But we just saw a rookie Superman, one who was thrown into this situation and at times looked lost. He was basically the definition of a rookie, but he did have glimpses of the commanding, leader Superman as well.

My favorite instances of this were when he says "Don't play games with me, general." while floating above. That to me was EXACTLY spot on for a Superman who can lead the likes of Batman, GL, WW etc, all of whom are strong alpha males (female WW) in their own right.

Thoughts? I think Cavill has what it takes to bring that screen presence as we see this Superman grow into his role.

I actually think if they went with Elba that it would be an even match since he would likely just become GL at that point and would still be struggling with controlling his will and what not. Though I agree that Cavill does have the presence and command to be a leader. I didn't quite see it in that scene you mentioned, but I saw touches of it throughout the film that I definitely think could be developed later.

For me one of the most commanding scenes where I really noticed that quality was in his battle with Zod. There were times when Cavill got this look on his face that really showed he's got that inner grit that you normally associate with a powerful leader.

 

[lc23]

I actually think if they went with Elba that it would be an even match since he would likely just become GL at that point and would still be struggling with controlling his will and what not. Though I agree that Cavill does have the presence and command to be a leader. I didn't quite see it in that scene you mentioned, but I saw touches of it throughout the film that I definitely think could be developed later.

For me one of the most commanding scenes where I really noticed that quality was in his battle with Zod. There were times when Cavill got this look on his face that really showed he's got that inner grit that you normally associate with a powerful leader.

I agree. In general, I'd say he's the most...I dunno, rugged, chiseled and toughest-looking, not to mention the hottest, live-action Superman we've had to-date. I love how it's contrasted by the sweetness and gentleness that he displayed with his mother and Lois in the all-too-few moments of quiet in the film.

 

[MrsKent26]

One poster in another thread something about Idris Elba not being a suitable choice for a John Stewart Green Lantern because he has far superior screen presence and gravitas than Cavill, and it would seem out of place for Cavill to command him or be his leader.

While I don't completely agree, I can see where that poster is coming from. But we just saw a rookie Superman, one who was thrown into this situation and at times looked lost. He was basically the definition of a rookie, but he did have glimpses of the commanding, leader Superman as well.

My favorite instances of this were when he says "Don't play games with me, general." while floating above. That to me was EXACTLY spot on for a Superman who can lead the likes of Batman, GL, WW etc, all of whom are strong alpha males (female WW) in their own right.

Thoughts? I think Cavill has what it takes to bring that screen presence as we see this Superman grow into his role.

Hmmm, interesting question.

Acting wise, I think Cavill has what it takes. Any time he was required to have a commanding presence and take charge, he pulled it off in a subtle and signified way. But Goyer has to write Superman that way and give Cavill opportunities to show this. Since he started doing that in MOS, I would hope we get to see this progression. Cavill can act it if Goyer writes it.

 

[Herolee10]

 

[charl_huntress]

I gotta steal this Hero and run away with it.

 

[lc23]

Man, that gif charl asked for is not an easy find. However, in the meantime:

 

[charl_huntress]

I'm going to have to read up on some articles to find out how much weight he put on for this movie in terms of muscle. I'm really curious because in his early pics he's definitely not this big. His trainer did a friggin fantastic job.

 

[slumcat]

I'm going to have to read up on some articles to find out how much weight he put on for this movie in terms of muscle. I'm really curious because in his early pics he's definitely not this big. His trainer did a friggin fantastic job.

The answer is he put on 25 pounds and then of course cut out almost all the fat in his body. He clocked in at a ripped 190 pounds for the movie which is not a lot actually but muscle definition makes you look much bigger on screen and Cavill had some insane muscle definition going on.

 

[Herolee10]

Curious, for those that remember on how Superman fought in "MOS", did you think that his movements and fighting style looked natural in the sense where he came off as more of inexperienced brawler going up against veteran technicians? I think that was the goal when they were training Henry how to fight since they wanted to emphasize that Clark had never really been in a actual fight before, thus it would show in his movements, but did that come across to you guys?

 

[slumcat]

Curious, for those that remember on how Superman fought in "MOS", did you think that his movements and fighting style looked natural in the sense where he came off as more of inexperienced brawler going up against veteran technicians? I think that was the goal when they were training Henry how to fight since they wanted to emphasize that Clark had never really been in a actual fight before, thus it would show in his movements, but did that come across to you guys?

I think Faora was the only one who showed some technique amongst the Kryptonians. The rest - Superman, Zod and Nam-El (or whatever the giant guy's name were) were pretty much slamming through things as they wanted. So for these 3 it was just all out brawling, just smashing stuff up.

 

[Boy Scout]

Curious, for those that remember on how Superman fought in "MOS", did you think that his movements and fighting style looked natural in the sense where he came off as more of inexperienced brawler going up against veteran technicians? I think that was the goal when they were training Henry how to fight since they wanted to emphasize that Clark had never really been in a actual fight before, thus it would show in his movements, but did that come across to you guys?

Honestly, no. I didn't think Zod fought like an experienced warrior, either.

 

[charl_huntress]

The answer is he put on 25 pounds and then of course cut out almost all the fat in his body. He clocked in at a ripped 190 pounds for the movie which is not a lot actually but muscle definition makes you look much bigger on screen and Cavill had some insane muscle definition going on.

Thanks Slumcat!

All I can say is, "WOW". He looks bigger, but you're right when you're ripped that's how you'll look.

Curious, for those that remember on how Superman fought in "MOS", did you think that his movements and fighting style looked natural in the sense where he came off as more of inexperienced brawler going up against veteran technicians? I think that was the goal when they were training Henry how to fight since they wanted to emphasize that Clark had never really been in a actual fight before, thus it would show in his movements, but did that come across to you guys?

You know what Herolee? I was thinking that, but there is a point where Supes and Zod are fighting after he crashes into the building. It's right after the tankers explode and the camera shot is far away, but he does one move that's almost like a martial arts dodge. I wish the camera were closer because it looked hella cool. His cape went up as he dodged, so you couldn't see the move exactly, but he did show some sort of ability. Most of his punches though were full out brawler. He had a lot of wide arm swings that were powerful, but not expert.

 

[MrsKent26]

Curious, for those that remember on how Superman fought in "MOS", did you think that his movements and fighting style looked natural in the sense where he came off as more of inexperienced brawler going up against veteran technicians? I think that was the goal when they were training Henry how to fight since they wanted to emphasize that Clark had never really been in a actual fight before, thus it would show in his movements, but did that come across to you guys?

Yeah, I think they did a decent job of that. Superman was losing most of the time during the fights and that's what made sense. I do hope to see his skills increase with time though.

 

[Herolee10]

I think Faora was the only one who showed some technique amongst the Kryptonians. The rest - Superman, Zod and Nam-El (or whatever the giant guy's name were) were pretty much slamming through things as they wanted. So for these 3 it was just all out brawling, just smashing stuff up.

The big dude (Nam-Ek), I can understand why he was more of a thrasher given his height and appearance.

Regarding Zod, I thought he actually showed some technique when he was fighting Superman on the streets of Metropolis, just before he gave him a uppercut into the sky.

 

[charl_huntress]

Yeah, I agree with that. He didn't look totally unskilled, but he was obviously really no match for Faora. She was like a female Yip Man.

 

[Herolee10]

You know, I had been wondering for so long (prior to the film's release) on how Clark would deal with having to face nearly a dozen Kryptonians arriving on Earth, so I was kind of expecting to see Clark have a fight scene/brawl with almost all of them.lol

In some ways, Clark is very lucky that he had both the years of experience in fully mastering his powers and absorbing more sunlight, along with zod having chosen not to just go directly at it with everyone on his ship.

 

[slumcat]

The big dude (Nam-Ek), I can understand why he was more of a thrasher given his height and appearance.

Regarding Zod, I thought he actually showed some technique when he was fighting Superman on the streets of Metropolis, just before he gave him a uppercut into the sky.

This one instance Zod is using some technique, but for the rest even he was slamming and smashing.

 

[Axl Van Sixx]

One poster in another thread something about Idris Elba not being a suitable choice for a John Stewart Green Lantern because he has far superior screen presence and gravitas than Cavill, and it would seem out of place for Cavill to command him or be his leader.

While I don't completely agree, I can see where that poster is coming from. But we just saw a rookie Superman, one who was thrown into this situation and at times looked lost. He was basically the definition of a rookie, but he did have glimpses of the commanding, leader Superman as well.

My favorite instances of this were when he says "Don't play games with me, general." while floating above. That to me was EXACTLY spot on for a Superman who can lead the likes of Batman, GL, WW etc, all of whom are strong alpha males (female WW) in their own right.

Thoughts? I think Cavill has what it takes to bring that screen presence as we see this Superman grow into his role.

I'm not worried. May I present to the court Exhibit A:

Before The Avengers came out, there were plenty of people saying exactly the same thing about Chris Evans and Robert Downey Jr. that you are now with Cavill and Elba - and that certainly worked out well in the end. Everyone fully accepted when Cap started issuing orders to Iron Man in the film's climactic sequence, despite the fact that Downey is by far the most popular member of the Avengers cast.

 

[Herolee10]

This one instance Zod is using some technique, but for the rest even he was slamming and smashing.

True, though I do wonder if that had more to do with the fact that at that point, his mind was mentally unstable due to having a breakdown after losing all hopes in reviving his people and his crew as well.

 

[slumcat]

I'm not worried. May I present to the court Exhibit A:

Before The Avengers came out, there were plenty of people saying exactly the same thing about Chris Evans and Robert Downey Jr. that you are now with Cavill and Elba - and that certainly worked out well in the end. Everyone fully accepted when Cap started issuing orders to Iron Man in the film's climactic sequence, despite the fact that Downey is by far the most popular member of the Avengers cast.

I think people underestimate how much of Avengers works due to Whedon. First of all he wrote all the scenes and lines specifically for the cast, he knew their strengths and weaknesses. And supposing a scene wasn't working in production or something, he was a writer so he could punch it up on the spot and give them fresh new lines.

Snyder won't have such luck. And I don't think Goyer's lines are that good anyway. When you have two characters talking, it is the dialog that brings the scene alive.

 

[charl_huntress]

True, though I do wonder if that had more to do with the fact that at that point, his mind was mentally unstable due to having a breakdown after losing all hopes in reviving his people and his crew as well.

I got the impression Zod really wasn't all that great of a fighter to begin with. Jor-El kicked his ass quite handily. Faora though was another matter.

 

[Herolee10]

I got the impression Zod really wasn't all that great of a fighter to begin with. Jor-El kicked his ass quite handily. Faora though was another matter.

Well, I think that had more to do with the fact that Jor-el was supposedly zod's mentor on Krypton, thus the student not having surpassed his teacher in this case.lol

 

[slumcat]

Fighting wise Faora was definitely the most talented and badass. Superman would have outmuscled her in the end if two had fought it out but she would definitely have matched him for the most part.