BvS Henry Cavill IS Superman - - - - - - - - - - - Part 25

[InspecktahDeck]

So... Ewoks?

If deep-sea horrors are their version of Ewoks then count me in.

 

[HELLilac]

Yeah that didn't bode too well. Even if Snyder didn't want to do another solo Superman movie he'd have left all the toys in the sandbox for someone else to play with if WB were interested. The fact that he seems to be able to get rid of them with impunity leads me to believe that another Superman movie is not on the cards. It's a shame and I really feel for Superman fans.

I predict we will never see another standalone Superman film with this version of Superman.

I honestly don't know what I'm going to do if it's another Force Awakens situation.

Seriously, the best evidence is snyders own words, the other side is nothing but wait and see. I liked bvs, and then read his reason for doing it and it's like, what.

The good thing about reading all these depressing comments is the realisation that I'm not alone, that the others do feel discouraged and disappointed by the mistreatment of my favourite character as well. Thanks for sharing your concern. Great to know there're people who care.

I actually disagree with this. A dark and gritty Superman movie can work. The key is contrasting Superman with that tone. Make Superman the bright spot fighting against the darkness. That's what this movie failed to do.

I'm so agree with this.

Which is why I think the Replace Cavill thing, if serious, is stupid as hell.

That'd be a deal breaker for the DC films for me.

^ Ditto. Hope people aren't serious. The issues aren't his fault.

I'm out if Cavill leaves or replaced.

Damn straight! That's the last straw for me.

Count me out as well. That's where I draw the line.

 

[InspecktahDeck]

I hope Cavill is reading this thread and happy to see the support.

Also Cavill, if you are reading this, you can physically slap Snyder and WB executives around - shove whoever you need to into lockers to get that spitcurl and extra screen time.

You're not three feet tall like Robert Downey Jr., you can actually manage to intimidate some people.

 

[HELLilac]

I hope Cavill is reading this thread and happy to see the support.

Also Cavill, if you are reading this, you can physically slap Snyder and WB executives around - shove whoever you need to into lockers to get that spitcurl and extra screen time.

You're not three feet tall like Robert Downey Jr., you can actually manage to intimidate some people.

Wait.. You think there's a chance he might be lurking?

 

[InspecktahDeck]

Wait.. You think there's a chance he might be lurking?

Mostly a joke about he mentions about looking around fan forums a bit.

 

[sportjames23]

I, too, shall depart if Cavill is replaced. I mean, yeah, if WB does anything as bone-headed as getting rid of Henry, I'm out.

 

[Light]

I, too, shall depart if Cavill is replaced. I mean, yeah, if WB does anything as bone-headed as getting rid of Henry, I'm out.

Are you a Superman fan or a Cavill fan first and foremost? I don't have a problem with Cavill but think his Superman is atrocious no joy or happiness, I don't blame Cavill for this as it's the direction his been pointed in. Would have loved him to play the tradional Superman.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

It's definitely not Henry. He can play fun characters, this just didn't give him any opportunity

In Snyder's mind, he just can't imagine why Superman would be happy. Cause he just doesn't get it.

But then I think he'd do the same with Spider-man.

 

[Light]

It's definitely not Henry. He can play fun characters, this just didn't give him amy opportunity

In Snyder's mind, he just can't imagine why Superman would be happy. Cause he just doesn't get it.

But the I think he'd do the same with Spider-man.

That's precisely it, I remember years ago I think it was when Watchmen was being promoted. Snyder was asked about Superman and he said something along the lines of his boring and he wouldn't want to direct a Superman movie. I hope I am not remembering wrong but it clearly shows he has no comprehension when it comes to Superman and just doesn't get him.

 

[antonydelfini]

I can appreciate Superman stories that has a happy and joyful Superman (Silver Age, Donner Superman, All Star Superman)

I can also appreciate Superman stories that has an alpha male, cocky and aggressive Superman (Golden Age).

I can also appreciate Superman stories with a sad Superman (BVs, Kingdom Come) as long as his sadness is justified. And I think that BVS Superman remains pretty hopeful and noble despite the situation he is in.

 

[Tony Gunk]

I'd be hugely disappointed if Cavill left the set up. Can't think of anyone I'd rather have the part than him

 

[sportjames23]

Are you a Superman fan or a Cavill fan first and foremost? I don't have a problem with Cavill but think his Superman is atrocious no joy or happiness, I don't blame Cavill for this as it's the direction his been pointed in. Would have loved him to play the tradional Superman.

Superman fan, but Cavill's is just behind Reeve as my favorite Superman, so him being replaced would be messed up to me.

 

[Sterling Archer]

I can appreciate Superman stories that has a happy and joyful Superman (Silver Age, Donner Superman, All Star Superman)

I can also appreciate Superman stories that has an alpha male, cocky and aggressive Superman (Golden Age).

I can also appreciate Superman stories with a sad Superman (BVs, Kingdom Come) as long as his sadness is justified. And I think that BVS Superman remains pretty hopeful and noble despite the situation he is in.

How about a three dimensional Superman that has more than one personality trait/emotion? Boy wouldn't that be nice.

 

[Light]

Superman fan, but Cavill's is just behind Reeve as my favorite Superman, so him being replaced would be messed up to me.

I would be gutted if Cavill left as I like him as an individual but if they brought in someone else who acted more in line with how I envision Superman I wouldn't abandon the project and would whole heartedly support it because first and foremost I am a Superman fan.

 

[titansupes]

How about a three dimensional Superman that has more than one personality trait/emotion? Boy wouldn't that be nice.

Most of those do. Even Silver Age Superman, All-Star Superman and Donner's Superman had great emotional range. They experienced doubt, loneliness, questioned their place in the world... But they new that was part of a well-balanced whole and didn't ever let those aspects bog down the character, only enhance him.

 

[AnneFan]

I can appreciate Superman stories that has a happy and joyful Superman (Silver Age, Donner Superman, All Star Superman)

I can also appreciate Superman stories that has an alpha male, cocky and aggressive Superman (Golden Age).

I can also appreciate Superman stories with a sad Superman (BVs, Kingdom Come) as long as his sadness is justified. And I think that BVS Superman remains pretty hopeful and noble despite the situation he is in.

Yep. The world of BvS is dark, and Superman is negotiating that.

 

[HELLilac]

I would be gutted if Cavill left as I like him as an individual but if they brought in someone else who acted more in line with how I envision Superman I wouldn't abandon the project and would whole heartedly support it because first and foremost I am a Superman fan.

I wouldn't mind if they reboot the whole DCCU and recast everyone.

If they keep the same Batman and WW and all the supporting characters and just replace Henry with the new guy it'd ruin the universe for me. I can no longer look at Ben and Gal with a new Superman and accept him as the same man who sacrificed his life tho save them. I wouldn't accept Amy Adams's Lois kissing a different Clark Kent.

I want one Superman in this universe. If they're going to give me another Superman, make a new universe for him.

 

[Baneis8feettall]

I wouldn't mind if they reboot the whole DCCU and recast everyone.

If they keep the same Batman and WW and all the supporting characters and just replace Henry with the new guy it'd ruin the universe for me. I can no longer look at Ben and Gal with a new Superman and accept him as the same man who sacrificed his life tho save them. I wouldn't accept Amy Adams's Lois kissing a different Clark Kent.

I want one Superman in this universe. If they're going to give me another Superman, make a new universe for him.

Yeah, Henry is far from being the problem anyway. I like casting in general in DC films.

 

[BH/HHH]

End of the day this interpretation is a version where the world is on his shoulders and it would be. When we get his inevitable return it will be the first time he's viewed completely as a hero to everyone in the world. I'm getting abit bored with people saying Snyder doesn't get Superman because he's actually bothered to put him in as real life a situation as he can. He's not gonna be all smiles when he does everything either so people need to get over that aspect. People act like Reeve's Superman was smiling when he was grabbing the rockets in STM he didn't walk around like this t: 24-7.

End of the day these are very different times to past incarnations and why Cavill and Snyder have brought is a Superman who is flawed and hasn't reached that point where he has everything figured out.

 

[Tobias]

Yeah, Henry is far from being the problem anyway. I like casting in general in DC films.

Its the MOS/BvS portrayal the GA seems not to be accepting. And some fans also are not thrilled with it.

After two films Cavill is getting defined as this dark, brooding Superman. Just as Reeve became become defined as a light airy Superman.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

That's precisely it, I remember years ago I think it was when Watchmen was being promoted. Snyder was asked about Superman and he said something along the lines of his boring and he wouldn't want to direct a Superman movie. I hope I am not remembering wrong but it clearly shows he has no comprehension when it comes to Superman and just doesn't get him.

I remember that interview.

I remember trying to ignore it when I was hyped up about MOS and just hoping he'd grown to understand him more and put some effort into it.

I can appreciate Superman stories that has a happy and joyful Superman (Silver Age, Donner Superman, All Star Superman)

I can also appreciate Superman stories that has an alpha male, cocky and aggressive Superman (Golden Age).

I can also appreciate Superman stories with a sad Superman (BVs, Kingdom Come) as long as his sadness is justified. .

Agree entirely.

I preferred BvS because the sadness did feel justified. But when I look at MOS/BvS as a whole, the problem is his character has ALWAYS been that sad. And that's the part that's not really justified.

 

[STARMAN]

Cavill isn't the problem. But they're wasting him.

 

[Tra-El]

I wrote this in the Positivity thread, so I'll drop it here as well as I think it's appropriate:



Let me first start by saying that the Superman created in this DCEU isn't perfect and he doesn't live up to the "can do no wrong, smiling in every possible situation" status of what 'The Big Blue Boyscott' stigma has done to the character over time. I love the Big Blue Boyscout. I adore that version and I get that version.

But for an appetizer, I always, as a huge fan, asked for this type of flawed Superman that is both mentally confused and dissatisfied with the answers he is getting from the majority of existence as to why he is here and what purpose does he serve? I love this flaw and arc Man of Steel created and how it continues in Batman V Superman.

He's NOT the nostalgic; classic Superman fans all over the world, myself included, fell in love with...but ironically, I have instantly fell in love with this Superman for all the reasons on what classic Superman wasn't.

Am I fully content at where Snyder's Superman stands at the moment? I can't say yes, but that's the exact part that makes me a fan of this version. I'm totally ready to stand beside him on this journey, flaws and mistakes and all, to receive the ultimate payoff I'm almost certain I'll get that brings Superman full circle and not so 'one-note.'

Quite frankly, fans want things all NOW "or else" but for me? I would have felt dishonored, especially a fan of Man of Steel, if Superman's characterization would have immediately went to to iconic; classic status. That would have been lazy and a confession, to me, that the writers and director of this film agree that Superman is boring and that there is nothing else left for him to do.

Though this Superman is "questionable" and "full of flaws that makes questionable mistakes" IMO, this is the most respect the character has seen in some time. The story begs you to realize that all of those mean things said about Superman are simply.....wrong. We need to believe in him.

And I don't think Henry is being wasted. I feel he's going to be Superman for a very long time. The ending signifies to me that a rebirth is in order; that Superman's journey has just begun.

 

[Man_of_Tomorrow]

What would you guys like to see in a stand alone Superman sequel?

How Amy and Henry act in interviews. Which is just not being conveyed properly on film. Henry is wasted on Snyder, ugh.

 

[DeadPresident]

How Amy and Henry act in interviews. Which is just not being conveyed properly on film. Henry is wasted on Snyder, ugh.

...really? You want a feature film to turn into a bad version of the Lois & Clark TV series?

It's cute and all, but I'm not sure where there's a precedent for Lois and Clark's relationship to seem like it belongs in a Justin Bieber music video.