BvS Henry Cavill IS Superman - - - - - - - - - - - Part 25

[Man_of_Tomorrow]

Clark Kent the reporter is dead, you guys. I really don't see them bringing him back. Plus, like it or not, I guess it's a way for Snyder and Co. to sidestep the whole disguise angle.

It's just lazy writing. Though it'll be entertaining to see how the "Snyder gets superman" crowd either turns, or explains how killing off Clark is still somehow understanding the character.

 

[Tra-El]

It's just lazy writing. Though it'll be entertaining to see how the "Snyder gets superman" crowd either turns, or explains how killing off Clark is still somehow understanding the character.

Since Snyder referenced many classic stories in MoS and BvS, the end references the Death of Superman, in which Clark Kent died as well. It's an easy; comic fix to to bring Clark Kent back as being a victim that was unidentified that ended up being trapped under rebel reporting on the scene of the Doomsday fight.

It's not hard. And I don't think the paper clipping said he died. It said it was believed that he did. I'm going to have to read the headline again.

 

[matt47]

Hmm....no Clark Kent...

That would absolutely **** him up mentally.

 

[Man_of_Tomorrow]

Lois saved Batman from [BLACKOUT]being burnt to a crisp by a desperate Superman - or she saved the planet from becoming whatever it was in that vision Bruce had.[/BLACKOUT] I like that Lois actually gets in danger and does important things out of her own will in these.

Hmm, how are people coming to the conclusion that the vision or the warning given to bats about supes has been averted? I've seen this in other places to? I mean darkseid is coming, what's stopping evil supes, Snyder's favorite supes? Cuz

Spoiler

if Clark is gone, why would I Lois be needed? Injustice here we come.

 

[Man_of_Tomorrow]

...really? You want a feature film to turn into a bad version of the Lois & Clark TV series?

It's cute and all, but I'm not sure where there's a precedent for Lois and Clark's relationship to seem like it belongs in a Justin Bieber music video.

It's clear they have chemistry, I'd just like to actually see it on film. Of course this would require a standalone superman flick.

 

[Tobias]

Some still are OK with the characterization/portrayal of Superman. Its a journey some say, don't rush it. Enjoy the ride.

Well, the train is still stuck at the station. After two films Snyder has gone nowhere with the character IMO.

Even if Snyder's intention is to get to an heroic Superman, which I doubt, by the time they get there no one will care anymore. Just like Superman's death at the end of BvS did not really register. As Schnepp said this week - it did not move him at all.

This was Snyder/WB's chance to contrast the gritty dark hero Batman with the bright, hopeful hero Superman.

Sadly, it looks like Snyder will use WW as the bright, hopeful hero.

The critics and fan reception of WW is exactly the reception Superman should be getting.

WW in BvS is heroic, breezy, charming, a tease, confident in her power - add her uplifting music and voila. That is what Superman should be.

Cavill by all accounts wants to play that Superman but, even if Snyder gives us a heroic Supes in the 3rd act of JL1 that won't be enough to change the image Cavill's Superman has with the GA IMO.

 

[Silvermoon]

Since Snyder referenced many classic stories in MoS and BvS, the end references the Death of Superman, in which Clark Kent died as well. It's an easy; comic fix to to bring Clark Kent back as being a victim that was unidentified that ended up being trapped under rebel reporting on the scene of the Doomsday fight.

It's not hard. And I don't think the paper clipping said he died. It said it was believed that he did. I'm going to have to read the headline again.

But Clark Kent had an open casket funeral/wake that more than just Martha and Lois attended - so there are witnesses to having seen his body in the coffin (I could have sworn I saw Perry there as well - walking along behind the horsedrawn cart, but admit I could be mistaken on that one). So even when Superman returns, bringing back the Clark Kent persona is not going to be an easy fix. At least, not IMO.

 

[Tra-El]

But Clark Kent had an open casket funeral/wake that more than just Martha and Lois attended - so there are witnesses to having seen his body in the coffin (I could have sworn I saw Perry there as well - walking along behind the horsedrawn cart, but admit I could be mistaken on that one). So even when Superman returns, bringing back the Clark Kent persona is not going to be an easy fix. At least, not IMO.

Ah, yes. My mind completely swept that under the rug for debate purpose's. Total brain-fart with the coffin scene. I redact my statement and thank you for correcting me. D'OH!

 

[Tony Gunk]

what was Cavill doing with his face when he delivered that "No-one stays good in this world" line? And how did Snyder not say "Henry that looks really weird, let's do it again"?

I ask because I just came from seeing it again.

On a positive note, Cavill and Adams really sell the death of Superman at the end, brilliant stuff from both of them.

 

[Tra-El]

He should be smiling (lol.) In all fairness to Cavill (other than to pick him apart on one facial expression) his acting was superb and a huge step up...maybe even 3 or 4, from MoS. He sold the fight with Batman well and his sense of worry was spot on AWESOME. The face he made right before Bruce was going to do the deed and right before Lois arrives is absolutely phenomenal acting.

 

[kalhawj]

Cavil deserve a scene in JL where he does this to the villain or Darkseid if he does show up. He deserve to showcase and do justice to Superman. Then man gets the Character, but I feel Zack isn't allowing him to.

 

[lukebrodyg]

He should be smiling (lol.) In all fairness to Cavill (other than to pick him apart on one facial expression) his acting was superb and a huge step up...maybe even 3 or 4, from MoS. He sold the fight with Batman well and his sense of worry was spot on AWESOME. The face he made right before Bruce was going to do the deed and right before Lois arrives is absolutely phenomenal acting.

Agreed.

 

[kalhawj]

He should be smiling (lol.) In all fairness to Cavill (other than to pick him apart on one facial expression) his acting was superb and a huge step up...maybe even 3 or 4, from MoS. He sold the fight with Batman well and his sense of worry was spot on AWESOME. The face he made right before Bruce was going to do the deed and right before Lois arrives is absolutely phenomenal acting.

Agreed that Cavil was amazing in BvS. What i would love to see is Cavil talking to the people he saves and saying "I got you, You are safe now" Smiles at them, "I won't let anything happen to you." We still have yet to see this from Zack's version of Superman. He's only there for the shot and no dialog.

 

[Tony Gunk]

Agreed that Cavil was amazing in BvS. What i would love to see is Cavil talking to the people he saves and saying "I got you, You are safe now" Smiles at them, "I won't let anything happen to you." We still have yet to see this from Zack's version of Superman. He's only there for the shot and no dialog.

You'll be lucky to get that.

I'm not sure if he was better in BvS than MOS. There's a couple of awkward rather woodenish parts in the film. "The woman I love could have been blown up" was a bit strange, "I didn't see it because I wasn't looking, Superman was never real blah blah blah" was a bit flat.

He had some great moments though.

 

[lukebrodyg]

You'll be lucky to get that.

I'm not sure if he was better in BvS than MOS. There's a couple of awkward rather woodenish parts in the film. "The woman I love could have been blown up" was a bit strange, "I didn't see it because I wasn't looking, Superman was never real blah blah blah" was a bit flat.

He had some great moments though.

Not sure how anyone couldn't appreciate this line. IMO, Cavill effectively sold it and it's poignant to Superman's arc in this film.

 

[Tobias]

Agreed that Cavil was amazing in BvS. What i would love to see is Cavil talking to the people he saves and saying "I got you, You are safe now" Smiles at them, "I won't let anything happen to you." We still have yet to see this from Zack's version of Superman. He's only there for the shot and no dialog.

The dialog, lack thereof, is a huge problem IMO. Witty lines like Gadot got are what is sorely missing for Cavill. Its two movies now and th same pattern. I am befuddled.

Not to talk about Reeve but nice banter/exchanges are what, IMO, help to engage the GA with a character.

Classic lines like - "I got you!" followed by "Whose got you??"

Or the line from the rooftop interview where Lois says: "How big... err, I mean tall are you?

Cavill is so good in interviews and has a great sense of humor. What a waste to not use his natural charm in these films.

 

[Tra-El]

The balcony scene was one of the highlights of the movie for me. It was REAL and genuine. It made me feel for all characters involved, especially Kal and I could literally see Lois's grip on holding Clark together starting to slip away. It was a wonderful scene. The Clark/Lois relationship in this film is probably what surprised me the most. It was dead on accurate and what I expect in their relationship. There's more there on the bone that needs to be explored between Cavill and Adams.

 

[lukebrodyg]

The dialog, lack thereof, is a huge problem IMO. Witty lines like Gadot got are what is sorely missing for Cavill. Its two movies now and th same pattern. I am befuddled.

Not to talk about Reeve but nice banter/exchanges are what, IMO, help to engage the GA with a character.

Classic lines like - "I got you!" followed by "Whose got you??"

Or the line from the rooftop interview where Lois says: "How big... err, I mean tall are you?

Cavill is so good in interviews and has a great sense of humor. What a waste to not use his natural charm in these films.

On the contrary, I'm glad this kind of stuff is absent from these films. Tonally, it wouldn't be consistent and Gal's line's you mentioned aren't in that tone either.

 

[Tra-El]

Cavill is so good in interviews and has a great sense of humor. What a waste to not use his natural charm in these films.

If you don't see it, I quoted your post to highlight and underline the "s." FilmS. That's the thing, right there. This representation of Superman is only 2 films deep and it's obviously a very heavy story on Superman that make him reflect on many things. If MoS; BvS were intended to be contained; one and done films? I may agree on some accounts, but those VERY same interviews of Henry Cavill that you mention has him saying how the journey and development of Superman is still ongoing. So far, these movies are just a piece of the entire pie. I believe we'll get there...and so does Cavill.

 

[Tony Gunk]

We got all the mopey crap in MOS, I'd had my fill by then. It just doesn't work for me. I still wouldn't swap Cavill for anyone, but there's definitely a couple of awkward moments in there, I think a better director would have had a couple of takes re-done.

 

[kalhawj]

I sure hope in Superman grand return in JL he better not be conflicted and depress. Now that he's over this part of his life in BvS I want to see more of the Superman we all love. I don't want Superman there just for the shot. I want him to interact in the scene with the people he either saves or is around him. No more grainy look for Superman. Allow his color to shine.

 

[Tra-El]

BvS is an extension of Man of Steel. The movie sets up Batman and most of Batman's rebirth as a vigilante has everything to do with Man of Steel, so the rules of Man of Steel still need to apply, plot wise, for things to be contained to one universe. That world didn't move on. It may have not worked for you, but it needed to be done to bring Man of Steel full circle. The ending, in many ways, concluded the Man of Steel arc and now we're beginning a saga.

 

[SuperAl]

Or the line from the rooftop interview where Lois says: "How big... err, I mean tall are you?

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Oh god, if they used that line in this movie people would flip out on snyder. Judging how people reacted to the "hes hot" line in MOS, they would absolutely kill him for using that.

 

[Tra-El]

Brandon Routh literally read lines from Superman: The Movie...word for word...and it didn't stop people from rooting for Richard White in the end. People know Superman and in BvS, they know he's being framed and misunderstood. BvS breaks down Superman as how the people view him...what they say about him. They are WRONG.

 

[Tobias]

We got all the mopey crap in MOS, I'd had my fill by then. It just doesn't work for me. I still wouldn't swap Cavill for anyone, but there's definitely a couple of awkward moments in there, I think a better director would have had a couple of takes re-done.

ITA that Snyder should have caught those line deliveries. Is that not what a director is supposed to do?

The facial thing you mentioned was off too. It reminded me of the facial expression Cavill had after killing Zod in MOS. Off also IMO.