BvS Henry Cavill IS Superman - - - - - - - - - - - Part 25

[Loki882]

Yeah there were numerous other ways to have Lois be involved and important that would have made much more sense to boot. And Man of Tomorrow has it right imo when it comes to the Lois & Clark dynamic. Heck have her investigate Batman and his identity, that'd STILL have made more sense than what we got.

 

[Mindreaper21]

So, Lois would have been pointless for half of the movie and there would have been complaints about that as well.

 

[Loki882]

Or, you know, come up with another way to keep her involved. See that's the thing, some people (including me) aren't willing to give the movie a pass because of "well this is the only way to keep her involved in the story," if we don't think that the story (or at least her role in it) was good or made much sense.

 

[MrsKent26]

I like the idea of what they tried to do with that Africa sequence, but they could have presented it more clearly or simply used the controversy surrounding superman established by MOS instead and just nixed the two year time gap.

 

[FunkMiller]

Or, you know, come up with another way to keep her involved. See that's the thing, some people (including me) aren't willing to give the movie a pass because of "well this is the only way to keep her involved in the story," if we don't think that the story (or at least her role in it) was good or made much sense.

Lois is the one investigating Batman, not Clark. Bang. You're in.

 

[MrsKent26]

I'd have Lois and Clark investigate batman together. We'd get to see their dynamic at work that way. Or one of them or both could be looking into Luthor.

 

[matt47]

I'd have Lois and Clark investigate batman together. We'd get to see their dynamic at work that way. Or one of them or both could be looking into Luthor.

That would have been great.

 

[Mindreaper21]

Lois is pretty much always tied to the main villain at the beginning of the story. This is classic Superman. Even like the Fleischer cartoons in a sense. What other reason would she have for investigating him if he was completely under the radar? What would she be doing all the way up to the capitol scene? Nothing important.

 

[HELLilac]

I'd have Lois and Clark investigate batman together. We'd get to see their dynamic at work that way. Or one of them or both could be looking into Luthor.

I'd have Lois investigate Bruce/Batman and then got threatened for being too nosy. It'd give Clark a valid reason to act the way he did in 'the Bat is dead' scene.

And I agree with everyone who thinks the African supplot should be cut off entirely. It led to nowhere.

I don't know why they chose to make the plot more complicated when the same story could be better told in a simple way.. Whatever happens to "Less is more".

 

[Loki882]

I mean don't get me wrong, I DO love seeing the dynamic of them as lovers (BTW, if we DON'T get a Super-wedding in a future film, I'll be very disappointing), and what she means to him and vice versa (although the implication that if Lois dies, Superman turns into an evil fascist dictator is face-palm inducing). But seeing them actually investigating/uncovering things together would have made it all the more satisfying imo.

 

[Lantern Venom]

thats what upsets me is that MOS ended with this shot

so why did we have to go 10 steps back and make him as gloomy as he was in the beginning of MOS in BVS??

He still looked quite happy when he jumped in the tub with Lois. It seemed to me that he was more open and content as Clark (or in private) than when the world was looking at him as Superman.

 

[MrsKent26]

They really only let Clark show joy and charm when he was with Lois. It was nice to see, but shouldn't be his only happiness in life.

 

[Mindreaper21]

Lois investigating Batman for leading up to the capitol scene and getting absolutely nowhere seems pretty pointless. Not to mention boring. Lois wouldn't have investigated him anyway, because the story wouldn't be big enough for her.

 

[Jaxon]

I like the idea of what they tried to do with that Africa sequence, but they could have presented it more clearly or simply used the controversy surrounding superman established by MOS instead and just nixed the two year time gap.

The point of the Africa story is that it's completed orchestrated by Lex. Lex sets up an interview for Lois and an African terrorist group. Knowing who Superman/Clark is assumes he'll go over to keep an eye on her. Lex's men kill and Superman reacts to the gunfire to protect Lois. Lex then manipulates the media reporting to say Superman interferes in foreign matters resulting in gunfire and death. This forces the Senate to get scared that Superman is starting to involve himself in international affairs. This gives Lex the leverage to be able to get Senate approval to get his hands on the scout ship and Zod. The kryptonite import license was a rouse to lay bread crumbs to let Batman know of its existence so Batman can fight Supes.

 

[Verick808]

The point of the Africa story is that it's completed orchestrated by Lex. Lex sets up an interview for Lois and an African terrorist group. Knowing who Superman/Clark is assumes he'll go over to keep an eye on her. Lex's men kill and Superman reacts to the gunfire to protect Lois. Lex then manipulates the media reporting to say Superman interferes in foreign matters resulting in gunfire and death. This forces the Senate to get scared that Superman is starting to involve himself in international affairs. This gives Lex the leverage to be able to get Senate approval to get his hands on the scout ship and Zod. The kryptonite import license was a rouse to lay bread crumbs to let Batman know of its existence so Batman can fight Supes.

It was was unnecessary. The narrative could have simply been the government just never truly trusted him. Our government has a way of being split on any and all important issues. Especially the important ones. Guarantees we never get anything done. Lex could have gotten access to the scout ship and body simply by finding someone in the government with common ground.

 

[Rapunzel]

Unfortunately i think its clear with Flash's warning that thats where Zack is going with things. Plus with killing off Clark it's easier to kill off Lois. Yay, then we'll get more mopey Superman after the Justice League get to beat some sense into him.

Ugh... Snyder can't be that stupid. He just can't. It has to be obvious, even to him, that doing that would kill the DCEU. I can't see WB signing off on it. I have to believe they have more common sense.

 

[MrsKent26]

Ugh... Snyder can't be that stupid. He just can't. It has to be obvious, even to him, that doing that would kill the DCEU. I can't see WB signing off on it. I have to believe they have more common sense.

He can and he will (possibly). I could totally see him doing something like that and calling it awesome. It fits his pattern with superman perfectly.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

Yep, I actually enjoyed the film and I don't understand why those scenes were kept in. There was so much the film had to do and they wasted time on such a useless plotline. At the the very minimum it would have made the film shorter if they cut it. At best some scenes could have been added that either fleshed out Luthor or let us see a fun Superman scene. Just one without social commentary would have been nice. Don't get me wrong I like the montage after he saved the girl from fire, it just would have been nice to see a rescue there that wasn't through the eyes of the world, but Superman's.

There's a newspaper clip on Scoot McNairy's conspiracy wall that's an homage to Action Comics #1 comic with Superman carrying a car. I want THAT scene.

 

[Flint Marko]

The point of the Africa story is that it's completed orchestrated by Lex. Lex sets up an interview for Lois and an African terrorist group. Knowing who Superman/Clark is assumes he'll go over to keep an eye on her. Lex's men kill and Superman reacts to the gunfire to protect Lois. Lex then manipulates the media reporting to say Superman interferes in foreign matters resulting in gunfire and death. This forces the Senate to get scared that Superman is starting to involve himself in international affairs. This gives Lex the leverage to be able to get Senate approval to get his hands on the scout ship and Zod. The kryptonite import license was a rouse to lay bread crumbs to let Batman know of its existence so Batman can fight Supes.

It should have been cut. It's such a superfluous plot thread that I don't even see it mentioned in several site's plot summaries.
Also, Superman saved an American from terrorists. I don't buy that there would be outrage over this.

 

[Plaidchuck]

Injustice was one of the most successful comics recently for DC, don't count out an evil Superman.

Not that I want that, but it would not be a surprise at this point.

 

[Slade W]

It should have been cut. It's such a superfluous plot thread that I don't even see it mentioned in several site's plot summaries.
Also, Superman saved an American from terrorists. I don't buy that there would be outrage over this.

I think they going more for "everywhere Superman shows up, there is death". I can definitely buy that there would be a lot of people that would be suspicious when it comes to Superman because of this, despite him also saving people. Again, like many things in this film, it was not explained very well or clearly. That is what I think they were going for though.

 

[Flint Marko]

I think they going more for "everywhere Superman shows up, there is death". I can definitely buy that there would be a lot of people that would be suspicious when it comes to Superman because of this, despite him also saving people. Again, like many things in this film, it was not explained very well or clearly. That is what I think they were going for though.

I've asked this question about 5 or 6 times now and have yet to get an answer: who died in the Africa sequence? Just the terrorists? Why would anyone get up in arms over terrorists being shot after Superman saved an American? What was that African woman saying in the senate hearing? I'm genuinely curious, I've seen the movie twice now and on both occasions this has escaped me.

 

[Plaidchuck]

I'm guessing the bullet given to Swanwick leads to Finch blocking the import of the kryptonite?

Totally useless though because lex did what he wanted either way.

 

[Slade W]

I've asked this question about 5 or 6 times now and have yet to get an answer: who died in the Africa sequence? Just the terrorists? Why would anyone get up in arms over terrorists being shot after Superman saved an American? What was that African woman saying in the senate hearing? I'm genuinely curious, I've seen the movie twice now and on both occasions this has escaped me.

I cant remember every detail. I only seen the film once and didn't think that much of it, and while I still find it fun discussing certain aspects of it, I don't care to analyse it that much. I could have sworn that other people died, rather than just terrorists. If it was just terrorists like you are saying, then it is pretty silly that people would be annoyed at Superman.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

I've asked this question about 5 or 6 times now and have yet to get an answer: who died in the Africa sequence? Just the terrorists? Why would anyone get up in arms over terrorists being shot after Superman saved an American? What was that African woman saying in the senate hearing? I'm genuinely curious, I've seen the movie twice now and on both occasions this has escaped me.

They weren't terrorists. They were rebels/separatists. Otherwise Lois wouldn't have gone there to interview them.