BvS Henry Cavill IS Superman - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 26

[Doctor Octopus]

George Newbern was wooden in season one of Justice League, then got exceptionally good.

Henry Cavill have two movies to get better and he has not.

 

[AnneFan]

I watched parts of MoS yesterday, and noticed how young Cavill looked there. I guess it has been a while.

 

[LoganGambit87]

Henry Cavill have two movies to get better and he has not.

alot of people disagree with that

 

[AnneFan]

It will be good to have a movie where Superman isn't judged, but accepted. I think that can go a long way in satisfying people who aren't keen on the last two films.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

alot of people disagree with that

lol a lot of people agree with it as well.

 

[matt47]

I watched parts of MoS yesterday, and noticed how young Cavill looked there. I guess it has been a while.

I think it's also the hair and the fact that he is even more buffed up.

 

[sf2]

 

[Herolee10]

Btw, is anyone else surprise that the Government didn't try to confiscate Superman's remains? I mean they had no problem doing so with Zod's body so I wonder what stopped them. Did they even know that they were burying an empty casket?

 

[batfreakforever]

Btw, is anyone else surprise that the Government didn't try to confiscate Superman's remains? I mean they had no problem doing so with Zod's body so I wonder what stopped them. Did they even know that they were burying an empty casket?

Bruce would of done something to prevent that.

 

[STARMAN]

I believe Cavill is capable of more than this. I would like one appearance of Cavill as Superman without Snyder to see if I'm right or wrong.

 

[Guts]

Btw, is anyone else surprise that the Government didn't try to confiscate Superman's remains? I mean they had no problem doing so with Zod's body so I wonder what stopped them. Did they even know that they were burying an empty casket?

Bruce would of done something to prevent that.

Yeah, I think Bruce and Diana made sure that his body got to Smallville.

 

[Baneis8feettall]

Everytime i see both MoS & BvS i'm still amazed how he looks just like Superman.

He isn't giving oscar winning performance but he is far from wooden. Problem is movies so superficial when it comes to emotions. Forceful instead of smooth transition.

Also BvS was Batman's movie unfortunately. Even though it was superman centric story, superman was written as an object other people react to. UC has a little better.

 

[NeoRanger]

Look, if you've seen Cavill anywhere else, you know he is charismatic and he can act. Snyder can't get good performances out of his actors to save his life and, actually, BvS is the best he's ever got in that regard. I'm pretty certain that the reason Affleck stands out is because he's probably the one actor he didn't dare direct to any massive degree. Dude did his thing and he was great at it.

I want one more movie with Cavill. I mean one with a different director, a more traditional Superman movie. After that's done, if he's still not up to expectations (which I highly doubt will be the case) okay, write him off.

Thing is, there is a moment in BvS that I find kind of heart-breaking when it comes to Cavill; the moment that he holds the space shuttle/rocket up. The guy totally wants to smile, to revel in the awesomeness of being Superman and lifting a rocket over your head.

But he's not allowed to. Because god, or something.

 

[PunyGod]

...

 

[titansupes]

Can someone explain the secret identity business in this movie? I thought Snyder said MoS was supposed to do away with secret identities. But it seems like we are back to the idea of no one being able to recognize him with glasses on.

MoS never does that. It ends with him refusing to divulge his identity to the government and then entering the Daily Planet with glasses and going unrecognized.

 

[PunyGod]

...http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/06...or-and-problems-with-the-man-of-steel-sequel/

 

[titansupes]

So whats the explanation for this? And how come I never see anyone talking about this?

I cant accept such a cartoony idea in this hyper-realistic gritty world they are trying to create.

And in fact the writer said they would have to address the "ludicrous glasses disguise" (his words) in the sequel but they never did.


http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/06...or-and-problems-with-the-man-of-steel-sequel/

Because Goyer was wrong, and it's not actually an issue. Even in a "hyper-realistic" world... That has superpowered aliens, 5000 year old Amazon warriors, an underwater kingdom etc.

 

[Lily Adler]

There is no Goyer, only Zuul!

 

[NeoRanger]

So whats the explanation for this? And how come I never see anyone talking about this?

I cant accept such a cartoony idea in this hyper-realistic gritty world they are trying to create.

And in fact the writer said they would have to address the "ludicrous glasses disguise" (his words) in the sequel but they never did.


http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/06...or-and-problems-with-the-man-of-steel-sequel/

Regardless of what Goyer said, the identity isn't an issue and has never been an issue. They did do away with it when it comes to Lois and that's the only case in which the disguise can look silly (to those without the necessary suspension of disbelief, at least), because she regularly interacts with both Clark and Superman. Both in the original comics and in this movie, Superman's face isn't supposed to be paraded around on TV (and in the early comic books he wouldn't even stay around enough to be recognized; half the time, he'd wear other disguises). Even in the footage from Man of Steel that Alfred shows to Bruce, the quality is extremely low.

 

[STARMAN]

It's Superman. It's okay to have a suspension of disbelief.

 

[PunyGod]

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[BlueLanternKal]

From "Clark Kenting" Real Life Tab on tvtropes.org :

Jay Leno and Jimmy Kimmell pulled this off by disguising themselves as reporters.
"Creator/folieadonteven" was a vicitm of this, his friend Ginny had made a parody account on instagram, playing a chraracter called "Juan." "Juan' was Ginny with a mustache and a beanie, yet Kax was 100% convinced that he had two seperate friends named Ginny and Juan, and even though literally ""everyone else had known since she made the account"", Kax did not even think about the concept until Ginny's best friend told him. His reaction video is priceless.
Jimmy Kimmell's cousin once snuck into Super Bowl media day simply by dressing up in the uniform of Carolina Panthers Kicker John Kasay. It worked, because of all the hundreds of reporters who covered the event, none actually knew what Kasay looked like.
A rumor spread by his detractors says that because of the controversy surrounding his election, Abraham Lincoln dressed up as an old woman for his own safety to get through Baltimore on the way to his inauguration. Maryland was a pro-slavery state where Lincoln was incredibly unpopular, and there were reliable reports warning of an assassination plot. Since he was 6'4", he had to hunch over to pull this off. In reality he did wear a slouch hat and overcoat in a failed attempt to appear less obvious, but he did not disguise himself as a woman. (In a Brick Joke, at the end of the war Northern supporters falsely claimed that Jefferson Davis was captured while disguised as a woman).
Most of Sacha Baron Cohen's characters are this. Like Borat, which consists of a mustache and accent.
Tom Cruise prepared for his role in Collateral by taking a job as a UPS courier, which he worked for weeks while secretly filming himself. The video shows Cruise interacting with customers, walking around in broad daylight and even having protracted conversations with people on his lunch break, and going totally unrecognised because he was wearing sunglasses and a hat.
Harold Lloyd, an inspiration for Clark Kent, found that if he took off the stage glasses of his most famous film character, no one recognized him.
Charlie Chaplin without his moustache and Nice Hat.
Reportedly, he also once lost a Chaplin look-alike contest.
That's because he showed up as himself, i.e. the film actor Charles Chaplin, without the costume or the mustache (he never actually grew such a mustache, it was always a stick-on). Everybody knew who he was and had a nice laugh.
Another version that explains is that he got third because, while the mannerisms and looks were perfect, he didn't have a costume. (The contest was to be his Tramp Character. He was wearing his street clothes.)
A documentary on spying had a section regarding disguises and how they're used, with a former CIA specialist explaining how simple disguises can work wonders if you play on observers' expectations. As a demonstration they had people assigned to trail a blonde woman dressed in jeans, a hoodie, boots and a ballcap, carrying a backpack. The woman faked drinking a lot of water and thus had a reason to duck into a bar to use the bathroom. While they were intently observing the bathroom and the back alley door, they never noticed the brunette wearing a little black dress, heels, and carrying a small purse who strolled out the front door on the arm of the man who'd been waiting for her.
An inversion occurs with pornstar Eva Angelina in that her glasses have become so synonymous to her general appearance that she's gone to conventions without them and wasn't recognized at all.
Comedian Groucho Marx painted on his famous mustache with grease paint for most of his career. He was surprised to find a large crowd of fans who had gathered to see him at a train station completely ignored him when he got off the train. Realizing what had happened, he ducked into his car and smeared on a grease paint mustache, and was instantly recognized. There is even a story (probably apocryphal) about Groucho house-sitting for a friend in Beverly Hills. He was taking advantage of the swimming pool and had the cops called on him by the neighbors. No one would believe he was Groucho Marx without his mustache. (He actually grew a mustache later in life, a bit before he started hosting You Bet Your Life.)
Reportedly, Marilyn Monroe would employ this with a curly black wig, a pair of sunglasses and some loose-fitting clothes. She was also apparently very good at changing her body language in public, to the point where she was able to walk completely ignored in a crowd — until she fluffed up her hair and struck a pose, and was instantly swarmed.
"Do you want to see her?"
Many decades ago, photographs were rare and hard to produce, and people with the artistic skill to do a composite sketch were scattered much further apart. Thus a fugitive could reasonably move to another place without notice. The Wanted Poster was less effective than it is usually played to be; criminals on the run were often chased by former acquaintances, the only people who could recognize them.
Stewart Copeland in the years 1978 - 1980; a link.
Aviator Charles Lindbergh actually used the alias of Careu Kent when visiting his secret second family in Germany.
Shakira went unnoticed in public for a couple of months by wearing modest clothing, going by her middle name and wearing a baseball cap.
The use of a fake distinguishing feature such as a scar can make people focus on the scar so much they don't notice any other real details.
Eric Morecambe, at one time half of the most famous comedy double act in Britain, used to get by in public by taking his trademark glasses off and affecting a limp. His son has stated that this worked so well he wouldn't even get recognized by people sitting next to him on trains or planes.
Although it's possible many people did notice, but were too polite to blurt out "Hey! You look just like Eric Morecambe!" to a complete stranger who was likely well aware of the fact and heartily sick of his friends and relations making jokes about it.
Many models can have relatively normal lives by simply wearing minimal or no makeup, pulling their hair back into a simple hairstyle like a ponytail, and wearing some reasonably conservative clothing. Since most people see them professionally made up, and often in photoshopped images, it's easy for them to be less noticeable. There are models who've walked into their agency's offices, with pictures of themselves plastered all over the walls, and not been recognized by the staff because they've been in casual clothing and not posing.
For nude models and porn actresses, often merely wearing clothes suffices to make them unrecognizable.
Jewel went onstage at a Karaoke bar as 'Karen', wearing a wig, glasses, and false nose, and was unrecognized. (A few people even called her 'homely'.) She sang a few of her own songs, to acclaim from the crowd. She then stripped off the disguise and went back in as herself and sang a few. No one made the connection. Admittedly, it was dimly lit.
Murderer Ted Bundy was able to walk around in broad daylight for days while a wanted fugitive whose face was plastered all over TV. The only attempt he made at a disguise was drawing a mole on his face with a marker.
Anybody who's ever worn glasses for years and then suddenly switched to contacts (or vice versa) knows that you can look like "a whole different person." Glasses come with a very specific set of cultural stereotypes, which are completely destroyed when you get rid of them.
Same thing with, say, wearing a substantial amount of makeup regularly and then suddenly appearing without it.
Anyone who loses a large amount of weight quickly (whether by diet or illness) knows the feeling of going completely unrecognised by people who knew the old overweight persona. Weight loss changes everything: body shape, posture, manner of walking, and in other subtle ways.
Or shaving off your facial hair.
Or shaving one's head or changing one's hair color substantially.
PokerStars once challenged tennis star Rafael Nadal to bluff people into believing that he wasn't Rafa with only a pair of glasses and a golf receptionist's uniform as a disguise. He didn't succeed.
This is the essence of other tropes like Clipboard of Authority. Attitude and body language matter as much as clothing or make-up. If you act like your role, then people assume you really are your role. Discussed further in articles like "How to Sneak Around."
This is more intricate than most examples of this trope, but scientists have developed a wearable device that prevents facial recognition cameras from recognizing the wearer. It's a pair of glasses.
One interviewer accompanied Mel Gibson to the DMV, with only a baseball cap as a disguise. He then watched Gibson visibly "turn off the charm" and become so inconspicuous that only the ID photographer noticed a vague similarity.
While not one of the Tropes Examined By The Myth Busters on the show, they were asked to test this out at their San Diego Comic Con 2012 panel, which they actually did. Here were the results:
Tory went with the glasses disguise and failed miserably.
Kari noted that wearing a full costume makes a person a little too suspicious, as if you're trying to hide. Adam, a noted cosplayer who made a game of playing hide and seek by wearing full costumes at each SDCC, found this out the hard way when someone recognized him straight after just donning his cosplay and exiting an elevator.
However, Kari then noted that wearing a cap was sufficient enough to fool everyone (she even fooled Grant and other friends when she walked the floor wearing one).
Adam himself told on the show that he is more recognized on the street when he is together with Jamie, because while people can recognize his features, it's Jamie's trademark dressing style that takes the spotlight.
"I might be that guy from that show, but he is definitely that guy from that show."
Tyra Banks once did this live and in person on an episode of the Today show. Without makeup or hair styling, while walking with a slump and wearing a pair of glasses, she went into the crowd outside the Today set's window as a "production assistant" to ask people about their opinions about supermodels and Tyra Banks in particular. After a couple of minutes of absolutely no one realizing it was her, Banks pulled her hair back, straightened her posture, took the glasses off and suddenly ''became" Tyra Banks, Supermodel. The crowd loved it.
Superman goes shopping.
Jennifer Grey, star of Dirty Dancing et al, accidentally destroyed her career by getting her nose done. Afterwards, even friends didn't recognize her.
Bryan Cranston once successfully infiltrated the San Francisco Comic Con by cosplaying as his Breaking Bad character, Walter White. No one expected the "real" Walter White to be wandering around the convention like any other con-goer, and so they assumed he was just a look-alike in a costume.
Perhaps more forgivably, Gene Simmons once allegedly attended a KISS concert without his makeup, and nobody looked twice at him.
The whole concept of wearing masks can often fall into this trope, specifically masks that only cover a small portion of the face surrounding the eyes. If the person has any distinguishing facial features at all, such masks are useless at hiding a person's identity. Or so one would think; such masks (think like the ones Catwoman or the Riddler wears in the 1960s Batman TV show) have been successfully used to obscure people's identities at everything from masquerade balls and swinger's parties to bank robberies, even though by rights they shouldn't work. They still work today even though digital technology allows anyone with a computer and Photoshop the ability to erase the mask from any images of a person's face.
Walt Disney would anonymously spend an afternoon every week at Disneyland, making sure that everything was working smoothly. Despite hosting a very popular Tv-show, all it took was an pair of sunglasses and an Hawaiian shirt to make sure that nobody recognized him.
While filming House of Wax in Australia, Paris Hilton had to wear a brunette wig if she went out in public to do her exercises. She wasn't recognized if the making of TV spin-off is to be believed.
Paris was also part of a hidden camera show that explored this trope. Named I Get That A Lot, it would feature various celebrities in public jobs. If a customer noted their 'resemblance' to themselves, they would say "I get that a lot". Paris pretended to be a gas station attendant.
Hayley Atwell has twice been in places where movies with her in them are playing. She wasn't recognized either time, and all it took was a pair of glasses.
According to Hulk Hogan's autobiography, he was able to go out in public wearing a coat, hat, and glasses and not have anyone recognize him until he took them off.
Taken Up to Eleven when Henry Cavill wandered around Times Square and wasn't recognized, despite there being large ads for Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice in the area and the fact that he was wearing a Superman shirt.
Without the trademark white-blonde wig she uses to play Daenerys Targaryen, brunette Emilia Clarke hardly ever gets recognized in the street. Even when she is out with other members of the cast.

 

[Micromind]

Superman appeared in front of Congress and was on every TV on the planet. Clark's picture was also printed in the Daily Planet. Perry also interacted with him everyday and also saw him fighting Zod up close.

I'm sorry but suspension of disbelief doesn't apply here. The filmmakers can't have it both ways. They can't tell us they are taking a super realistic take on this character and then wave their hands at something this fundamental.

Here's your answer, Cavill at Times Square, nobody recognized him ! and he was not even wearing Glasses.

Beyond that, it relies on suspension of disbelief, Lois Lane knows who he is, many people in Smallville know this, Perry White may be aware (or at least Suspects.)

As for the people like General Swanwick, it is hinted that he knows but not confirmed. If you still have trouble accepting this, I will say this... these are comic book movies, not real life documentaries (grounded "look" does not matter, it's an artistic choice, just like Joel Schumacher went in opposite direction to make it look hyper stylized world.)

 

[titansupes]

Superman appeared in front of Congress and was on every TV on the planet. Clark's picture was also printed in the Daily Planet. Perry also interacted with him everyday and also saw him fighting Zod up close.

I'm sorry but suspension of disbelief doesn't apply here. The filmmakers can't have it both ways. They can't tell us they are taking a super realistic take on this character and then wave their hands at something this fundamental.

Yes, it does. Of course it does.

 

[MAN O STEEL]

Left is the original, right is my manip