How can Raimi prevent this film from becoming X-Men: The Last Stand?

[Cmill216]

The Spider-man films are already a disaster but in their own way.

Please elaborate.

 

[TheSlag]

Why would SONY want a 3 hour epic with 4 villains? Answer... THEY WOULD NOT!!!! It would not be good for the bottom line. Ain't gonna happen.

 

[Spider-Bite]

Raimi needs to devote as much time to the symbiote as he did with the power lose thing in part 2. And sure 1hr and 40min solving that problem was fine cause of the one villain.

But here you got Harry, Flint and his wife and I believe sick child, and Brock. With the addition of JJ and John who are pissed, MJ's relationship with Peter, Gwen as a possible new love interest, and Aunt May's new life in the city or whatever.

And Pete with the symbiote is in the middle of all this!

it sounds like a lot but remember

we had pete's struggling relationship with MJ
a villain dock ock
petes' failing relationship with Harry
they had to develop the relationship with aunt may turning on pter and re-accepting him
pete's failing school
pete's going from job to job
Mj's relationship with John
pete's losing his powers

that's not nearly as much that is in part 3 but they are also taking an extra year to make part 3 and a much larger budget, and many of the characters in part 3 were already developed in part 2 and part 1. all that stuff mentioned in my list might have sounded like a lot to fit in part 2 prior to seeing the movie.

but I admit it does sound like a lot, and what it really comes down to is Venom. he shouldn't be in 3. he's the cram factor.

 

[Spider-Bite]

Why would SONY want a 3 hour epic with 4 villains? Answer... THEY WOULD NOT!!!! It would not be good for the bottom line. Ain't gonna happen.

I don't know man. Avi sounds like a reliable source.

 

[Timstuff]

X3 was better than X-Men for me. Not better than X2, but still a very, very enjoyable movie.

That was my opinion of it, as well.

 

[TheSlag]

I don't know man. Avi sounds like a reliable source.

He sounds like a Used Car Salesman to me.

 

[zanos]

Please elaborate.

Bad uninspired storytelling and completely inaccurate character personalities.

 

[Catman]

what it really comes down to is Venom. he shouldn't be in 3. he's the cram factor.

Indeed he is! Eddie Brock is not a cram factor! I do not have a problem with him being in this film, but Venom should be left for part 4. I know people want a trilogy but this has already been confirmed as 6 films so there will be closure in part 6 not 3!

Like I said before, Harry has already been developed for two films, so they can just stick the costume on him. Sandman is the one that needs development and screen time. Adding in Venom is a bit much. So. . .lets see if Raimi can pull it off.

I admit he did an amazing job with the first two films but hopefully he doesn't lose his touch!

 

[Cmill216]

Bad uninspired storytelling and completely inaccurate character personalities.

Oh, okay. So this:

The Spider-man films are already a disaster but in their own way.

was just an opinion. Cool. Just checking.

 

[Spider-Bite]

That was my opinion of it, as well.

yup, mine too. I think it would have been way better than the other two had it been a half hour longer with Singer at the helm though.

 

[Spider-Bite]

Indeed he is! Eddie Brock is not a cram factor! I do not have a problem with him being in this film, but Venom should be left for part 4. I know people want a trilogy but this has already been confirmed as 6 films so there will be closure in part 6 not 3!

Like I said before, Harry has already been developed for two films, so they can just stick the costume on him. Sandman is the one that needs development and screen time. Adding in Venom is a bit much. So. . .lets see if Raimi can pull it off.

I admit he did an amazing job with the first two films but hopefully he doesn't lose his touch!

I feel the same way. there is no problem with brock being in this movie at all.

 

[Catman]

I feel the same way. there is no problem with brock being in this movie at all.

Yeah, and it makes sense since Jameson probably fired Peter's ass! The feel should just be Peter's struggle with the symbiote and then it ends with a cliffhanger setting up Brock as Venom for part 4.

 

[Radagast_Prime]

let us know the characters well enough to care about what happens to them.

And don't show the entire movie online through clips first.

And don't make venom become full venom for five seconds and then say a oneliner, then that's all she wrote.

Absolutely no cliche lines like hell hath no fury and oh god help us.

generally just make the writing intelligent and more consistent and don't kill key characters.

thanks raimi. you're doing better with each film and I have confidence that this one will be better than x3. at least you're doing all three. i'd hate not to to see ratner's spidey though. He'd probably kill jjj or some **** and have the action take precedence over the story... that'd be interesting.

Agree 100%. Raimi's team won't allow this to become the rushed crap that is X3.

 

[Spider-Bite]

I belive the movie will be very good, but the one concern I have is this. Raimi did excellent with the last two movies. He also said he was given complete control over them. Now with this movie though, a villain is being forced on him. He's not allowed to tell the story he wants to tell. That very well might disrupt the creative juices and effect his ability to be pumped up excited, eager to tell the story. It's easier to tell a story you like then one you dislike.

That might be the downfall of the movie. It wouldn't be Raimi's fault. It would be Sony's. We all know Venom shouldn't come till four. We all know this.

 

[SuperHeroHype]

Have faith in Sam, you don't really even know what's going to happen in the film.

 

[SuperHeroHype]

Agree 100%. Raimi's team won't allow this to become the rushed crap that is X3.

They've already been working on it for 2 YEARS... X-Men: The Last Stand = total 1 year.

 

[Spider-Bite]

Have faith in Sam, you don't really even know what's going to happen in the film.

Oh I have faith in him. I still belive that most likely the movie will be excellent and everything will be done right. I'm just saying that what I said in my post could be the variable that wasn't there before. because SONY isn't giving Sam the same authority they gave him for the last two movies. Raimi chose Green Goblin. He chose Dock Ock. He didn't choose Venom. He didn't even get to decide how Venom will look. Sony even decided that. It's not a matter of having faith in Sam, because I completely trust him. I'm just nervous about the fact that this time around somebody else is there pulling his strings.

 

[GoldGoblin]

You guys want the villains to look like they do in the comics,you want everything to be like the comics,but when they add alot of villains in it just like the comics has you all whine about it.

 

[James"007"Bond]

Spiderman won't be like X3. Simply becuase theres only one Spiderman, not a team, so no one will be complaining about his screen time.

On top of that, four villians is a fair amount, but not THAT extreme. I think Raimi knows what he's doing.

Not unless the villain is........*gasps* Ben reilly

 

[Spider-Bite]

You guys want the villains to look like they do in the comics,you want everything to be like the comics,but when they add alot of villains in it just like the comics has you all whine about it.

that's not what I'm complaining about at all. I'm complaining about Sony telling Raimi what he can and can't do. Yes of course it's their money and it's their movie, but hasn't he earned their trust after delivering on the last two movies with huge box office sales? I don't think it's intelligent to interfere with a man who knows what he's doing.

 

[James"007"Bond]

Have faith in Sam, you don't really even know what's going to happen in the film.

I really hate when people say this, have faith in sam, for what? Ensuring that his movies make tonne loads of money? Because thats all his spidey movies ever do.........and that is NOT what movie making is all about. Its about the art and if its based on source material as expansive as the comics then accuracy of the characters in which we're being told about should not go amiss. Imo the spidey movies are over-budgeted pieces of mediocre fluff with enough boring dialogue to substitue anathetics on a global scale.
I do not trust Raimi and sadly, I'm not even as hyped as I should be for this movie, I'm expecting another mediocre mess for this movie....I really hope I'm wrong but Raimi has let me down twice, we'll see if he strikes a third.

 

[James"007"Bond]

I don't think it's intelligent to interfere with a man who knows what he's doing.

"This story is all about a girl, that girl, Mary Jane Watson".

Raimi has no clue as to what he's doing.

 

[The Batman]

Spider-Man 3 is gonna own the living ***** out of X3.

SM3's gonna show fox how to make a comic film....

 

[phoenix_force]

Spiderman is completely different than x men so no need to compare them the last stand was a great summer blockbuster with much better action and effects than the first two its only problems were running time and character development and it was also filmed in a very shoort time unlike spider man i think spiderman 3 could be the best of the three if done right

 

[GNR]

Spider-Man 3 is gonna own the living ***** out of X3.

SM3's gonna show fox how to make a comic film....

Damn right.