How New Line Cinema Destroyed the Friday the 13th Franchise

[GENERAL RAAM582]

I like the idea of the survivors coming back to face their fears.

I honestly didn't like the original Friday the 13th to much, so I'm not too keen about them remaking that. I like 2, 3, 4, and 7. 1, 5, 6, 8, and 10 are alright, nothing too bad. 9 is an abomination.

 

[Thundarr]

I like the idea of the survivors coming back to face their fears.

I honestly didn't like the original Friday the 13th to much, so I'm not too keen about them remaking that. I like 2, 3, 4, and 7. 1, 5, 6, 8, and 10 are alright, nothing too bad. 9 is an abomination.

Personally, whenever a movie becomes a franchise of sequel after sequel, I generally find the first one to be the best, then each one after that becomes progressively worse and worse. Whether they be horror films like Halloween and Friday The 13th, or action films like Lethal Weapon or Indiana Jones. Or even comedies like Scary Movie or Police Academy. The larger the number after the title becomes, the worse the movie generally is.

So I really enjoy the original Friday The 13th. Other people b***h and moan that it's not as good as the sequels because Jason isn't the killer and they want to see Jason. But the simple fact is the original had far better suspense than any of those that came after it, including most people's favourite, Part 3. Thus, if someone truly wanted to reboot the franchise, and not just make a one off remake, then I say remake the original, right down to Mrs Voorhees being the killer. It's really the best way to go. Then if that's as popular as the original was, you can go and start cranking out yearly sequels like they did in the 80's. Then the series truly will be rebooted, and not just given a facelift for a single stand alone movie.

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

I'm one of those guys who just wants to see Jason.

 

[Thundarr]

I'm one of those guys who just wants to see Jason.

I, on the other hand, just wants to see a good, scary, suspenseful horror movie. I could care less who's doing the killing.

 

[The Dark Defender]

I can practically guarantee you there'll never be another F13 film without hockey-masked Jason as the killer, he's just far too iconic now.

I thought a half and half remake where Jason doesn't show up until the midway point could've been interesting.

 

[The Dark Defender]

That's kinda dumb. It's not the fans fault the writer came up with a piss poor script, it's the writer's. The director did an alright job on his end, and I enjoyed JEH's performance. But there's only so much that you can do with a s**t script.

The writer said he didn't like the movie, felt it relied too heavily on jump scares and didn't care for the direction.

 

[Ultimatehero]

From the looks of it Jason X ruined things.

 

[<(o_o)>]

I like the idea of the survivors coming back to face their fears.

I honestly didn't like the original Friday the 13th to much, so I'm not too keen about them remaking that. I like 2, 3, 4, and 7. 1, 5, 6, 8, and 10 are alright, nothing too bad. 9 is an abomination.

Too bad we can't have a follow up to Friday The 13th part 5 where Victor is somehow paroled from prison assuming he survived all those years & returns to Crystal Lake where he takes on the persona of another fake Jason & goes on a killing spree only to meet up with the real Jason Voorhees.

 

[Thundarr]

The writer said he didn't like the movie, felt it relied too heavily on jump scares and didn't care for the direction.

Well he wrote a s**t script to begin with. I don't care how badly or how well his script was directed, it was still a piece of s**t script. And as the saying goes, you can take a piece of s**t and spend all day and all night polishing it and shining it up, and in the end what you're gonna wind up with is a piece of s**t.

 

[Thundarr]

I can practically guarantee you there'll never be another F13 film without hockey-masked Jason as the killer, he's just far too iconic now.

I thought a half and half remake where Jason doesn't show up until the midway point could've been interesting.

Sadly, I must agree with you. When people think "Friday The 13th", they think "freak in a hockey mask". Unfortunate, because the over all concept of the Friday The 13th movies is what's truly frightening. And in the end, that's what you want to do, frighten your audience.

As for a 50/50 split remake, where the first half is Pamela doing the killing and the second half is Jason in a hockey mask? In order for that to work you would need to make the movie at least 4 hours long, and even then you'll likely have too many kill shots to be able to build any real suspense.

My problem with the remake (I don't call it a reboot because I don't see them making any sequels to it any time soon), is that it lacked suspense. Well, that and the fact I found all the characters completely unlikeable. And I like Jared Padelecki (or however you spell his name), but I couldn't care less about his character, his sister, or any of those pieces of machete fodder heading out to Crystal Lake. I found the characters in the original F13 1, 2, and 3 far more likeable.

 

[Thundarr]

From the looks of it Jason X ruined things.

I beg to differ. Paramount are the ones who gave us Jason Takes Manhatten. And they are the ones who decided to bring Jason back from the dead as some sort of homicidal zombie in Jason Lives. While I will admit JL is a fun movie to watch, it's not nearly as scary as the first 3, and even lacks the gratuitous nudity of 4 & 5. JTM is such a horrific pile of crap, it was the nail in the coffin of the franchise.

Paramount were very weird about Friday The 13th. On the one hand, they hated the movies themselves. But on the other hand, they loved all the money that they made by cranking them out. So they just milked that cash cow until it died, and then they milked it some more. Then when it finally cost more to make the movies than they made back at the BO, they sold the rights to New Line.

 

[Ultimatehero]

So it was a long road down to Jason X. Don't really follow the films, just know that was a big WTF twist - Jason in space!

 

[Thundarr]

Too bad we can't have a follow up to Friday The 13th part 5 where Victor is somehow paroled from prison assuming he survived all those years & returns to Crystal Lake where he takes on the persona of another fake Jason & goes on a killing spree only to meet up with the real Jason Voorhees.

That's not a bad idea either.

Personally, I would have written Part 5 with Victor having escaped from jail and been declared "missing and presumed to be armed & dangerous". I'd also have had Tommy halucinate seeing Jason right before every kill. These would be red herrings added to the story to make the audience think "Is Vic the killer? Or is it Tommy?" I'd also have had fewer unnecessary shots of Roy as he's taking the bodies away. It was a little too obvious, in retrospect, that Roy was the killer.

That and I'd give a big f**k you to the studio and only have about 10 kills in the movie. It didn't need any more than that. Only reason there are 20 kill shots in the film is because the studio insisted on having a jump scare or a kill shot (prefereably a kill shot) every five to seven minutes. That's just dumb.

 

[The Dark Defender]

I think a 50/50 split could be done as a 100 minute movie or slightly longer.

Well he wrote a s**t script to begin with. I don't care how badly or how well his script was directed, it was still a piece of s**t script. And as the saying goes, you can take a piece of s**t and spend all day and all night polishing it and shining it up, and in the end what you're gonna wind up with is a piece of s**t.

Unless you're Guillermo Del Toro, Christopher Nolan or Zack Snyder re-working a David Goyer script, lol.

An initially finished script compared to the final product after production can be drastically different, I'm not sure exactly how much different his ideas were compared to how the movie turned out.

 

[Thundarr]

I think a 50/50 split could be done as a 100 minute movie or slightly longer.

Most horror movies are, on average, 90 minutes long. In order to build up suspense, you need to go several minutes where very little if anything is happening, so the audience doesn't know when or where the killer will strike next. This is why slasher films with really high body counts never do very well, there's never enough time to build the requisite suspense. So they try and make up for it with bigger and better kills, which gets really dull really quick.

So for a 50/50 split to work, each killer is going to have to have at least 90 to 100 minutes to do their thing. That's 3 hours to 3 hours & 20 minutes total. Plus they're going to need at least 30 to 40 minutes to make the transition from one killer to the next. That's 3.5 to 4 hours. Otherwise it's just too much info crammed into too little space.

Unless you're Guillermo Del Toro, Christopher Nolan or Zack Snyder re-working a David Goyer script, lol.

An initially finished script compared to the final product after production can be drastically different, I'm not sure exactly how much different his ideas were compared to how the movie turned out.

True, there are often multiple rewrites during production. The end result of Buffy The Vampire Slayer was nothing like what Joss Whedon had initially intended. But if it was in the writer's original script that Freddy was never a murderer, and that he might have been innocent of the crimes he was lynched for, then I say it was a s**t script from the very start.

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

To be fair, they just did what Craven originally wanted. Freddy was gonna be a child molester, not a killer. He changed it because at the time of filming there was a huge story going on a major child molester and he didn't want it to look like he was cashing in on the story so he changed it. I didn't mind the remake's approach.

 

[Thundarr]

To be fair, they just did what Craven originally wanted. Freddy was gonna be a child molester, not a killer. He changed it because at the time of filming there was a huge story going on a major child molester and he didn't want it to look like he was cashing in on the story so he changed it. I didn't mind the remake's approach.

Actually, he was supposed to be both. He would abduct, rape, then murder the children. Had they ADDED that element to his back story, rather than CHANGING it from one to the other, I would have had no problems with it.

But that also had Freddy lynched without a trial, insinuating that he might have been innocent. That was an even worse change. He was supposed to be arrested, tried, released on a technicality, then lynched.

 

[TheDreamMaster]

You know, call it contrived or whatever, but I've been hoping they use Freddy vs. Jason as a loophole to write Jason X out of continuity. I know now they probably aren't going back to the original series with Freddy, Jason, Michael, etc. but I've been thinking that given we had an alternate ending to FvsJ implying that of course, Freddy returned to his dream world, and Jason regenerated at the bottom of the lake, that the theatrical ending was a dream, hence Freddy winking and all. Although the director once said it was no t intended to be a dream, considering the next film wa sthe remake, I'm all for retconing that statement and saying in the end Jason is dreaming, and he slips into, essentially a healing coma from his injuries for several years. Freddy meanwhile opened up Jason's ability to dream once again, but instead of dreaming of his mother or his childhood, he dreams the events of Jason X. Cut to 2013, skipping the events of Jason X where Jason reawakens healed and from some new event taking place at the Lake or surrounding town (or maybe make Freddy vs Jason vs Ash happen here.)

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

I'm just grateful that we even got FvJ. I doubt they will ever do a sequel, unless it's JEH vs Derek Mears. I would do anything to see Englund as Freddy just one more time.

 

[Thundarr]

I'm just grateful that we even got FvJ. I doubt they will ever do a sequel, unless it's JEH vs Derek Mears. I would do anything to see Englund as Freddy just one more time.

I keep saying, bring Englund back as Krueger during his time as The Springwood Slasher, before he got roasted like a Thanksgiving turkey. That would be an awesome movie.

 

[bullets]

You know, call it contrived or whatever, but I've been hoping they use Freddy vs. Jason as a loophole to write Jason X out of continuity. I know now they probably aren't going back to the original series with Freddy, Jason, Michael, etc. but I've been thinking that given we had an alternate ending to FvsJ implying that of course, Freddy returned to his dream world, and Jason regenerated at the bottom of the lake, that the theatrical ending was a dream, hence Freddy winking and all. Although the director once said it was no t intended to be a dream, considering the next film wa sthe remake, I'm all for retconing that statement and saying in the end Jason is dreaming, and he slips into, essentially a healing coma from his injuries for several years. Freddy meanwhile opened up Jason's ability to dream once again, but instead of dreaming of his mother or his childhood, he dreams the events of Jason X. Cut to 2013, skipping the events of Jason X where Jason reawakens healed and from some new event taking place at the Lake or surrounding town (or maybe make Freddy vs Jason vs Ash happen here.)

I don't view Jason X or Freddy vs Jason as continuity. I consider them one-offs. Kinda of like a special issues of a comic ( ex. Batman vs Predator). So I wouldn't mind if they brought back Jason and ignored some of the previous two or three films.

 

[KenK]

I keep saying, bring Englund back as Krueger during his time as The Springwood Slasher, before he got roasted like a Thanksgiving turkey. That would be an awesome movie.

I've been saying that FOR YEARS!!!!!!!

 

[KenK]

I never understood the hatred for the F13th remake. I loved the whole idea of essentially condensing the first three original films into one, and Derek Mears had a great presence as Jason. And I got exactly why he held Jared character's sister captive instead of killing her. She looks like his mother with she was her age. I thought was pretty clear to everyone.

And on a pervy note, one of the actresses had a great set of natural boobs.

 

[culver3vlr22]

I never understood the hatred for the F13th remake. I loved the whole idea of essentially condensing the first three original films into one, and Derek Mears had a great presence as Jason. And I got exactly why he held Jared character's sister captive instead of killing her. She looks like his mother with she was her age. I thought was pretty clear to everyone.

And on a pervy note, one of the actresses had a great set of natural boobs.

I love the remake. I don't get the whole keeping her captive thing but it wasn't the dumbest thing ever in a f13 movie. For me keeping her alive wasn't on Jason's DNA but than again everyone has their own interpretation.

And yes she did have perfect nipple placement lol

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

Have you guys ever seen the F13 remake on MTV? They have the greatest censors ever.