How to Kill Wolverine

[kainedamo]

I don't support the Uber unkillable W idea but I think a reasonable upgrade is perfectly fine.

But where does it end?

Like it's been pointed out, waaaaaaaaaaaay way back in the day Wolverine worried about being shot once or twice, Cyke worried about hitting him with optic blasts, it took days maybe weeks for Wolvie to heal from a severe beating, etc.

Wolverine's abilitiles have progressed over the years, mostly due to the popularity of his character. It takes minutes for him to heal from a barrage of machine gun fire. Minutes to heal from stabing and slicing wounds. Minutes to heal from fire or explosions. A REALLY severe beating, depending on the writer, may take a few hours. So where does it stop?

When should we stop updrading his healing ability? It's been upgraded enough. Well, too much when you consider the latest issue, and the issue where he survived a nuke. Not only has Wolvie never healed that fast from so much damage, but he should have just died all together in both cases.

He's been upgraded enough. Leave him alone.

 

[roach]

Pitting another hero (say Spiderman) against Wolverine should be akin to placing a prize fighter against a serial killer of lesser yet comprable physical ability.

The fighter would lose just about every time as the SK would not be looking to win but rather to do away with his opponent.

this analogy would work if Spider-man never fought anyone who was trying to kill him....however the fact that Spidey is faster, stronger,more agile and has an early warning system(spidersense) is why I see Spidey winning the fight more times than not.

 

[KAD]

But where does it end?

Like it's been pointed out, waaaaaaaaaaaay way back in the day Wolverine worried about being shot once or twice, Cyke worried about hitting him with optic blasts, it took days maybe weeks for Wolvie to heal from a severe beating, etc.

Wolverine's abilitiles have progressed over the years, mostly due to the popularity of his character. It takes minutes for him to heal from a barrage of machine gun fire. Minutes to heal from stabing and slicing wounds. Minutes to heal from fire or explosions. A REALLY severe beating, depending on the writer, may take a few hours. So where does it stop?

When should we stop updrading his healing ability? It's been upgraded enough. Well, too much when you consider the latest issue, and the issue where he survived a nuke. Not only has Wolvie never healed that fast from so much damage, but he should have just died all together in both cases.

He's been upgraded enough. Leave him alone.

See the post below yours

 

[KAD]

this analogy would work if Spider-man never fought anyone who was trying to kill him....however the fact that Spidey is faster, stronger,more agile and has an early warning system(spidersense) is why I see Spidey winning the fight more times than not.

When you say people try to kill Spidey you forget to mention that:

a. Those that take him on directly are far inferior to him in ability

b. Those with enough potential to actually win are ussually insane or obsessed with revenge and generally create some ultimate plan that leads to their downfall

 

[KAD]

I've yet to see Spidey do something that's completely impossible, so that's the reason for the lack of complaints there. As for the bone spikes he has, there has been **** loads of complaining about that.

When Spidey starts bench pressing the titanic, I'll start complaining.

I'd say Spidey lifting the titanic is the equivalent of Wolverine healing from being nothing more than skeleton in two minutes.

Beating Morlon is another Titanic moment for Spidey

Whenever these moments occur for Spiderman it is explained away as he is finally cutting lose.

I still remember Kingpin would give him a hard time now he cuts lose and can beat far more powerfule heroes and villains no problem

Hypocrisy

 

[kainedamo]

See the post below yours

What?? What post? If you mean roach's post it doesn't answer my post at all.

 

[roach]

Beating Morlon is another Titanic moment for Spidey

How was that a Titanic moment??????
Unless you are talking about the second time with the stingers and biting.
The character was created for Spider-man to beat.

 

[KAD]

As much as you say Wolverine is dilluted by his power increases the same argument could be made for SM

Remember when he would face opponents that outclassed him he would outsmart them or get help today he just upgrades.

You pretend that Spidey's life is constantly in danger but with all his upgrades his rogues gallery has become an impotent laughing stock.

Just look at how SM helps Nova deal with the Rhino in MTU.

It's the friggin Rhino for Stan's sake. He used give the Hulk a hard time and now Spidey beats with a threat.

Total BS

 

[KAD]

What?? What post? If you mean roach's post it doesn't answer my post at all.

This post

Lets see in his first appearance W takes on the Hulk and Wendigo fairly easily.

He is knocked out from behind because he is caught unaware and still manages to dodge and survive a full force blow from the Hulk to his head.

Then he joins the X-men as the canadian scrapper/brawler with claws thats great in a bar fight but can barely handle warhawk

 

[KAD]

How was that a Titanic moment??????
Unless you are talking about the second time with the stingers and biting.
The character was created for Spider-man to beat.

Well form the build up of Mrlun and the description of his abilities SM shouldn't have been able to beat him without help it was a contrived story to once again amp up the ol' spider powers.

 

[roach]

but this thread isnt about Spider-man...it's about Wolverine and how he shouldnt be able to survive being nuked. We could all bring up instances of fights that shouldnt have gone the way they did...why are we using it as a justification that Wolverine can survive and regenerate from being at ground zero.

 

[KAD]

but this thread isnt about Spider-man...it's about Wolverine and how he shouldnt be able to survive being nuked. We could all bring up instances of fights that shouldnt have gone the way they did...why are we using it as a justification that Wolverine can survive and regenerate from being at ground zero.

I'm not using it to justify the nuke I already agreed that that is ridiculous.
I am just countering the comments made by others and pointing out the hypocrisy of singling out Wolverine

 

[kainedamo]

Beating Morlon is another Titanic moment for Spidey

Whenever these moments occur for Spiderman it is explained away as he is finally cutting lose.

I still remember Kingpin would give him a hard time now he cuts lose and can beat far more powerfule heroes and villains no problem

Hypocrisy

I can't stand fans like you.

So what are you saying? That Wolverine was "cutting loose"?

First of all, Spidey barely survived his first encounter with Morlun. He tried running away, fighting him head on, nothing worked until Spidey realized he could use radiation to severely weaken him. Spidey barely survived!!! It was one of the toughest fights of his life!! The second time he fought Morlun, Morlun literally killed him.

It REALLY isn't comparable to Wolverine healing from nothing more than skeleton in about two minutes. I shouldn't even have to explain it to you! It's rediculous!

Second of all, your Kingpin argument. That was waaaaaaaay way back in the Stan Lee era. Since then, Spidey has grown stronger (not counting the recent power ups) and Kingpin has been portrayed more realistically. I don't even get your argument there.

The fact that we're arguing about this is a joke. I'm sorry, but any real Wolverine fan wouldn't want to see Wolverine healing the way he did in the previous issue.

 

[KAD]

I can't stand fans like you.

So what are you saying? That Wolverine was "cutting loose"?

First of all, Spidey barely survived his first encounter with Morlun. He tried running away, fighting him head on, nothing worked until Spidey realized he could use radiation to severely weaken him. Spidey barely survived!!! It was one of the toughest fights of his life!! The second time he fought Morlun, Morlun literally killed him.

It REALLY isn't comparable to Wolverine healing from nothing more than skeleton in about two minutes. I shouldn't even have to explain it to you! It's rediculous!

Second of all, your Kingpin argument. That was waaaaaaaay way back in the Stan Lee era. Since then, Spidey has grown stronger (not counting the recent power ups) and Kingpin has been portrayed more realistically. I don't even get your argument there.

The fact that we're arguing about this is a joke. I'm sorry, but any real Wolverine fan wouldn't want to see Wolverine healing the way he did in the previous issue.

Once again I am not arguing the validity of the Nuke incident or the Skeleton, simply pointing out your hypocrisy concerning W

If you can't stand me by all means please sit

 

[roach]

I'm not using it to justify the nuke I already agreed that that is ridiculous.
I am just countering the comments made by others and pointing out the hypocrisy of singling out Wolverine

no one is singling out Wolverine.
1) Wolverine surviving a nuke is bad writing
2) Spiderman growing fangs and stingers is bad writing


we are talking about Wolverine now because of it being recent

 

[KAD]

no one is singling out Wolverine.
1) Wolverine surviving a nuke is bad writing
2) Spiderman growing fangs and stingers is bad writing


we are talking about Wolverine now because of it being recent

I agree

But I disagree with all the negative comments about upgrades

 

[roach]

I agree

But I disagree with all the negative comments about upgrades

if a writer wants to upgrade someone's powers then there should be something that causes it....what was the catalyst that caused W powers to increase??????
Would it be ok if W woke up one day and could fly?????

 

[KAD]

if a writer wants to upgrade someone's powers then there should be something that causes it....what was the catalyst that caused W powers to increase??????
Would it be ok if W woke up one day and could fly?????

Of course not. As to why his natural abilities have increased, I already showed examples of how this was explained.

Technically according to Blood and Ice as well as an X-men annual At his full potential Wolverine could regenerate almost instantaneously from a single cell.

Do I ever want to see that? No.

Do I like the current trend toward that? No.

I would wholly support returning all of the MU to their original power levels.

 

[roach]

Of course not. As to why his natural abilities have increased, I already showed examples of how this was explained.

Technically according to Blood and Ice as well as an X-men annual At his full potential Wolverine could regenerate almost instantaneously from a single cell.

that X-men annual that W healed from a single cell wasnt because of his ability but because his blood fell on a crystal that shaped reality...it gave him god like powers too...

 

[KAD]

that X-men annual that W healed from a single cell wasnt because of his ability but because his blood fell on a crystal that shaped reality...it gave him god like powers too...

That is correct but if you read it also states that it enhances his healing factor to it's fullest potential this is echoed in blood and ice

 

[Web Slinger CK]

Just smash him so all flesh and blood lies around

 

[foxx5]

I seem to remember an issue of a comic that took place in a possiable future, where they had to keep Wolverine's adamantium skeleton in acid at all times to keep flesh from regenerating. what issue was it?

so if Nitro, picked up Wolvies adamantium skeleton and put it in a pool of acid and kept it submerged. I think that would do the trick.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

1) No it seems logical they stopped advancing again. They wouldn't regress.
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I think you should go back and reread the Wolverine comics in and around fatal attractions then. His powers never evolved. They were always like that, only the adamantium held them back since they were forever working overtime keeping his body from being poisoned and disrupted by the metal graphted onto his bones. Therefore, when the adamantium is put back in naturally his body should return to the state it was in when said adamantium was laced on him the first time.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Not necessarily. His powers were at one level when the adamantium went in the first time. Since then, he lost his adamantium and his powers grew because of that "biosphere" explanation or whatever (which strikes me as lame, but that's besides the point). So when the adamantium went in a second time, his regeneration was at a different level. Plus, there's all of the unaccounted variables that becoming Death might've thrown into the mix. Maybe Apocalypse himself boosted Wolverine's power in a kind of poetic attempt to make Death literally unkillable. There are lots of possible explanations.

 

[KAD]

I think you should go back and reread the Wolverine comics in and around fatal attractions then. His powers never evolved. They were always like that, only the adamantium held them back since they were forever working overtime keeping his body from being poisoned and disrupted by the metal graphted onto his bones. Therefore, when the adamantium is put back in naturally his body should return to the state it was in when said adamantium was laced on him the first time.

In the madueira run leading up to onslaught when wolverine became bestail he was also evolving as stated throughout the run