The Dark Knight Rises Ideas For Incorporating Characters Into the Nolanverse

[Jordacar]

If you're going to do Mad Hatter, you've gotta have the mind control. It's kinda his schtick.

 

[Two-Face=Badass]

If you're going to do Mad Hatter, you've gotta have the mind control. It's kinda his schtick.

It's also what makes him a really good villain. No offense, but I think turning him into a child murderer would remove what makes him a good villain.

 

[Artistsean]

But the mind control stuff is what also makes him so unreal too.

Some character, if you change what would be unreal in the Nolan Batman world, you change there character too much. Mr. Freeze is one of them, so is Clayface.

 

[Artistsean]

Someone posted this in the realism thread, but its also a great way to think about how a character might be looked at for the Batman films:

He's taken the Joker, a character depicted with bleached skin green hair and red lips caused by a chemical accident, and made it work well in the film by focusing on the characterization and psychology of the character.

I think people misunderstand what Nolan means when he says whether a villain will work in the world he's established. The mechanics and look of the villain take a back seat to the pyschological link the villain has to Batman and the story. This is an absolute necessity since Nolan has shown that in some cases, the Joker for instance, he tinkers heavily with the physical depiction of a character. This is offset by the writing of the villain with its emphasis on characterization and psychology.

Since Nolan has taken one of the more non-realistic villains and successfully adapted him to his world the question isn't so much whether the world is too realistic or whether some villains won't work b/c they are too outlandish but rather whether the villain will excel, not just fit, on a psychological level and can be written in a manner that's integral to the story and Batman.

So thinking of that, and adding the idea of only using a character if they are useful and add to the particular story (and not just who would be cool to see),
Mr. Freeze might not be so unreal.
In this case a character like Mr. Freeze would work (psychologically speaking). Mr. Freeze is cold, cut off, isolated, and alone. Bruce has become, in Nolan's world, more isolated and alone. He could even become more cold and cut off because he has lost even more and only has Alfred who (perhaps) he would push away.
Freeze lost his wife, Bruce lost his parents,

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then the love of his life and then, and then any hope of giving up Batman, and then became a wanted criminal.

Bruce could become even darker, isolating himself from everyone and pushing himself deeper and deeper into only being Batman.
Mr. Freeze would be like a mirror of Bruce.

(of coarse thats just an idea, plus you'd still have to think about his unreal stuff like the freeze suit and freeze gun. But psychology wise, he could work. Also, we don't even know where they will be going with the story or with Bruce's character, so any ideas like this are just conjecture at the moment.)

 

[Batman1018]

But the mind control stuff is what also makes him so unreal too.

Some character, if you change what would be unreal in the Nolan Batman world, you change there character too much. Mr. Freeze is one of them, so is Clayface.

What about the original Clayface Basil Karlo, who was simply a superb actor and used make up to disguise himself, and wasn't actually made of clay? I think I read before someone who said it would be interesting for Batman to be trying to stop this guy who he can't even find and all the while be running from police. I think that thematically it could be interesting. Batman is going to have to watch his appearance and possibly even go Matches Malone in this one, and to have a criminal changing appearance at the same time might provoke some interesting questions..

 

[Cunning Stunts]

Freeze- the explosion left his body scarred and battered, and in such bad condition that direct light and weather effects can cause agonizing pain. The suit is used to chill his body to soothe the burning pain.

Not the best idea, but hey, I thought I'd throw it out there.

 

[kirbyfan]

As good as they are, Nolans movies aren't the real Batman, they are Nolans Batman!

I want the real Batman, the comic Book Batman, the DC universe Batman!

What's the point of making a comic book Superhero movie if you aren't going to follow the freaking comic? Nolan could of made up his own superhero if that's all he's going to do!

I want the real Batman that has Mr. Freeze, Clayface, Killer Croc, and The Demon!

 

[Franklin Richards]

Man-Bat, Poison Ivy, and a Ras Al Ghul that uses the Lazarus Pit.

 

[cmarpro]

this is my first post so go easy guys. just a thought of what robin/ grayson could look like

 

[CaptainClown]

this is my first post so go easy guys. just a thought of what robin/ grayson could look like

"when your a jet your a jet all the way!"

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I'm not a big fan of Mad Hatter and I don't expect to see him in Nolans films. But i was watching TMNT 1990 the other day and I got to thinking. Instead of Hatter having actual mind control how about if he manipulated youngsters into commiting robberies and other crimes for him, similar to what Shredder and the Foot did in TMNT? Thats a plausible way for him to work IMO.

 

[Victarion]

Sionis (who wears a black skull mask and leads a cult, after all).

This is why I would prefer to see Sionis as one of the freak mob bosses in BB3. I trust that Nolan could make the cult idea work without it becoming too outlandish. A group of nutjobs following a nutjob in a skull mask would be a great way to show how Joker's shaken up Gotham.

 

[Jordacar]

I'm not a big fan of Mad Hatter and I don't expect to see him in Nolans films. But i was watching TMNT 1990 the other day and I got to thinking. Instead of Hatter having actual mind control how about if he manipulated youngsters into commiting robberies and other crimes for him, similar to what Shredder and the Foot did in TMNT? Thats a plausible way for him to work IMO.

I could see that being done by some villain in the TDK world, but like I said, mind control is kinda the Hatter's schtick.
And seriously, is the Hatter's mind control that much crazier than Scarecrow's fear toxin?

 

[RustyCage]

Clayface could be an actor who uses prosthetics to look like other people. He causes havoc, robbing banks as the late Dent, kills corner dealers as Gordon, all caught on camera. The city looses hope, thats when they know they need Batman.

I think that's a fantastic suggestion! However, I see that kind of villain as more of a secondary, maybe like Scarecrow was to Ra'as Al Ghul in Begins. Under instruction of a mastermind... the Riddler, perhaps? t: :heart:

 

[Shemtov]

The Mad Hatter-He was a serial killer who killed only blond girls. he was sent to Arkham. just after the events of Batman Begins. He was just pronounced sane and was let free. however, he was in the cell next to the scarecrow. The scarecrow made him promise that he;'d break him out in exchange for the location of a slupy of scarecrow gas. he found a gas that made people suspteble to hypnotic sugestion. he put the emitter for the gas thus becoming known as The Mad Hatter.

 

[Quinzel]

I'd give black mask face paint.
And i'd make Harley an insane obsessive chick (more magnified anyway, haha)

I'd give the Riddler OCD
I'd make Poison Ivy like PETA for plants. lol.


And Catwoman....hmm....she kinda doesn't need changin actually...i guess.

 

[Cunning Stunts]

Poison Ivy I would make an eco-terrorist or bio-terrorist (bio-terrorist would probably suit the film better).

I had an idea for Hush, and I want to know what people think.

What if, in the third film, more and more mobsters and cops keep getting killed off by a character known as "Hush" (mixing The Long Halloween with Hush) in an attempt to get to Batman, find his identity, and either release his identity or kill him... Only, here's the major twist:

Hush isn't Tommy Elliot, it's Alberto Falcone. Here to find answers as to his father's whereabouts, what happened to Maroni, etc.

 

[MadVillainy]

IF they have Black Mask (which I want) they would need to have another big villian such as Penguin, Riddler, Catwoman or something

I was think this (and someone mentioned earlier) that nobody knew Black MAsk unless your read the comics which is true

 

[Mastodon123]

IF they have Black Mask (which I want) they would need to have another big villian such as Penguin, Riddler, Catwoman or something

I was think this (and someone mentioned earlier) that nobody knew Black MAsk unless your read the comics which is true

Black Mask did appear in The Batman though, so thats alittle more exposure.

 

[ThePoisonPuppet]

A good thing about a villain like Black Mask is the fact he is less well known, so people won't be disappointed with less screen time for the villain and you can focus on Batman more!

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Well I doubt people who don't read comics knew who Ra's and Scarecrow were either.

 

[Texas Zombie]

black mask- a villian with a mask similar to those worn by the band hollywood undead. It is a a black masquerade mask with a skull painted on the front.
or maybe something along these lines

IDK. I try to think big. We have the italian mafia who operates under one president. Think about all operations of organized crime being operated by one man. The black mask. A man who has united the mafia. The exact opposite of the joker. Think what jon roberts did to the cocaine industry. I believe he was the number one cocaine transporter in the 80's (HQ was in miami, u had cocaine it was from him). Think an agent from russia comes in. He has only one connection. A small time russian mafia brother. Well he decides to get into the business. Soon leading all mafia. It's the classic mobster story. Small time hits is big (scarface). By the way did I mention he is ruthless killing off anybody in his way. He kills women, children, old, and sick just because they stepped in his path. He is based out of gotham and has created a new underground bringing all those rats and un-loyal out of the circle.

Then suddenly a problem appears Batman. He has had meager problems with him before, but he has stumbled upon it all. Black mask sending multiple hitmen after the bat does not work. He is most wanted (by police and all criminals). Black mask hires an out of towner. He is supposed to be the best. He gives him whatever he wants.

This man goes under the code of Deadshot (after an outlaw from the old west, he carries 2 45 magnums, a colt 45 behind his back, two army grade knives on his chest, on his left wrist is a taser gun and on his right is a miniature green laser[it can burn through plastic, light cigarettes, and shoot for miles, he uses it for blinding], he has a machette on his back facing down, and uses a modded p90 for tactical purposes, in one scene he has a a custom sniper of no brand, he uses homade bullets and is completely shaved, he wears motorcycle similar stuff and has a pair of leather gloves exposing only the finger whole, he has no prints). The man has tech, skill, and witt (he is nothing more than a depressed hitman, he suffers from extreme anxiety, thoughts of suicide, depression, and like the bad guy has random flashes in which he murders random civilians).

Batman unable to murder suffers serious wounds. Deadshot is killed by gordan in a quick moment while deadshot is pointing his gun at random people. In a fit of rage black mask and an army go after gordan, batman, and bruce wayne (a business man cutting into his funds). Batman ends this quick. He does not kill, but he unmasks the identity of black mask.
In the end black mask is behind bars, he tells batman simply "It does not matter that I am in jail. A new man will step in. It is unstoppable. Like a a wolf becoming leader of the pack." Batman replies "Im the man with cage, trapping the wild animals."

IDK i was just thinking off the top o' my head.

 

[Cunning Stunts]

-Catwoman:A catburglar in a museum stealing a valuable item.Batman shows up to stop her,we see that she knows how to fight,that she is infact a challenge for Batman.At the end when you think Batman has the upper hand when he gets her in a half nelson,Catwoman raises one of her arms and shoots out a little stream of smoke that goes into Batman's face.

Batman's grip loosens as he falls to the ground unconscious from the sleeping gas(cat nap).When Batman wakes up,Batman sees that he isn't in his Bat suit,the Catwoman took it along with the valuable item that she came to get from the museum.

But she also knows his secret identity.Catwoman uses the Batsuit and customizes it to make her a Catwoman suit with high tech gadgets.

Batman 3 can open up with an elaborate museum robbery, making you to think it's The Joker that's in on it.

Then only one small guy will be standing, and pull his mask off to reveal...

A GIRL! A.k.a. Catwoman.

Personally, I've kind of had the vision of that happening in my own head for a little while.

Catwoman and a crew could pose as Joker's thugs during the robbery just to throw off the police.

 

[Cunning Stunts]

I'm with you man.
I believe in Oswald Chesterfield Cobblepot!


I always thought he would one of the few people not physically intimidated by Batman. It needs to show some talent in fencing, since I prefer a hidden blade in his umbrella (ella..ella..ella.. oh oh oh) rather than a machine gun. He could spar with Batman, at least enough to escape, or until Batman makes him "squeal" what he needs. And I would think he should dress extremely fancy, there has to be something different about his suit/tuxedo, nothing that may confuse him with a butler or a waiter. I'm A-OK with the monocle, and even if I love the Top Hat, I would understand if it gets left out.

I'm all for Penguin, but the most unrealistic thing to me is that terrible surname.

I'd be all for it if his name was just Chesterfield.

 

[Batman1018]

Poison Ivy I would make an eco-terrorist or bio-terrorist (bio-terrorist would probably suit the film better).

I had an idea for Hush, and I want to know what people think.

What if, in the third film, more and more mobsters and cops keep getting killed off by a character known as "Hush" (mixing The Long Halloween with Hush) in an attempt to get to Batman, find his identity, and either release his identity or kill him... Only, here's the major twist:

Hush isn't Tommy Elliot, it's Alberto Falcone. Here to find answers as to his father's whereabouts, what happened to Maroni, etc.

Idk, I think the great thing about Hush, especially in Dini's latest: "Heart of Hush", is that he and Bruce were childhood friends and Tommy grew up resenting Bruce. His motive for all that he does is to take away all that Bruce has, all that Tommy wanted his whole life. If you make Hush someone else, I just don't think it would do justice to the character