The Dark Knight Rises Ideas For Incorporating Characters Into the Nolanverse

[Indrid Cold]

I was listening to Radio West this morning on NPR and they had the author of a new book about auditory halucinations on. The basic premise is that 60 percent of Americans claim to have heard a voice speak to them when they are alone. The vast majority of those people lead healthy standard lives and the voices they hear are often associated with guardian type guidance not the schizophrenic violence we see most often in popular culture and on the news. This gave me an idea.

Edward Nashton is a well educated, upper middle class, well rounded man. A patent lawyer or engineer. A creative type but not an artist. More of a skilled artisan. He's cultivated a proper life for himself but is often typified as a loner, albeit polite and mild mannered though he suffers from a quiet, egotistical complex that as he has aged has developed into a sort of Kruger-Dunning syndrome, where in he has become convinced of his own superior competence and believes that the world has slipped into utter chaos. His entire life he's heard a subtle voice that has urged him to his successes with Socratic questioning but ultimately as he becomes more irate with the world around him so too does the voice which begins to multiply and take over more and more aspects of his personality. Ultimately it leads him to a point where he attempts to crash the whole system through a cyber-terrorist attack on the city. A sort of fire sale attack that causes mass chaos.

Ok I'm going to admit, I haven't heard this one yet, but I like where it's going....my only problem is "Live free and Die Hard" already nailed this (minus the voices though).

 

[Infinity9999x]

Breaking the law in any form is evil.

I would argue that point. Breaking the law in any form is illegal, but evil?

For example, at one point and time it was illegal for black people and white people to sit in some of the same restaurants. Do you think the people who protested those laws, and thus broke them by staging sit-ins at these restaurants, were evil?

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I would argue that point. Breaking the law in any form is illegal, but evil?

For example, at one point and time it was illegal for black people and white people to sit in some of the same restaurants. Do you think the people who protested those laws, and thus broke them by staging sit-ins at these restaurants, were evil?

C'mon man! You must of seen enough of my posts to sorta know me! I don't give one crap about the law! FIGHT THE POWER!

 

[Infinity9999x]

C'mon man! You must of seen enough of my posts to sorta know me! I don't give one crap about the law! FIGHT THE POWER!

Ahh, my bad Ace, it did strike me as being out of character. I think I need to get my sarcasm meter checkedt:

 

[sabetoonth]

ace, no wonder your a dp fan, embrace the chaos and craziness!

anarchy
what if its a kid who saw what the joker was doing was nessacary, but that he went a bout it just wrong enough that he tries it himslef with a touch of batmans sense of justice, so atcks the mob, corrupt police and officials, etc

 

[The Democrat]

Ok I'm going to admit, I haven't heard this one yet, but I like where it's going....my only problem is "Live free and Die Hard" already nailed this (minus the voices though).

I only added that in because I don't like the idea of him being a serial killer. Thats been done to death. It's not big enough. Also I phoned it in because I had to go to work and had heard reference to them considering this as a possibility for the plot.

 

[General_Obol]

No, I'm merely acknowledging some fanboys' complaints about me.



Yes, though that's not the character's fault. Catwoman's got an equal possibility of success as any other villain.



Expect angry Angelina fans to be all over you for this one.

1. lol
2. I never necessarily said it would be the character's fault. But if a character really is unnecessary to the plot, the writers might not take her seriously.
3. BRING IT

 

[Texas Zombie]

I suspect they will be different, especially if nolans not on board. There is two things that can happen, if nolans next few movies bomb, he may come back, if they do good he may stay away, but right now I think he will come back.

Batman begins

the prestige

the dark knight

inception

Batman 3 or something else, If it is not done by then the odds shoot down.

Breaking the law is evil, wow, if that was the case, is it evil for a group of under age kids to drink, no, immoral maybe, is it evil to shoot a turkey out of the hunting season, defintly not evil, most evil things are illegal, but most illegal things are not evil.

PS this is an idea for interpretation thread, theres a lot less interpretations, concepts, and speculation lately, I wonder what happened?

 

[Infinity9999x]

I suspect they will be different, especially if nolans not on board. There is two things that can happen, if nolans next few movies bomb, he may come back, if they do good he may stay away, but right now I think he will come back.

Batman begins

the prestige

the dark knight

inception

Batman 3 or something else, If it is not done by then the odds shoot down.

Breaking the law is evil, wow, if that was the case, is it evil for a group of under age kids to drink, no, immoral maybe, is it evil to shoot a turkey out of the hunting season, defintly not evil, most evil things are illegal, but most illegal things are not evil.

PS this is an idea for interpretation thread, theres a lot less interpretations, concepts, and speculation lately, I wonder what happened?

Ace was being sarcastic, he wasn't serious about the law thing.

2. I never necessarily said it would be the character's fault. But if a character really is unnecessary to the plot, the writers might not take her seriously.

Nolan doesn't include characters unless they serve a purpose within his stories. Even Zszaz was part of a plot point in Batman Begins (establishing that Crane was a mob psychiatrist). So I doubt he would include a love interest like Talia or Catwoman without them serving a purpose within the story.

 

[BestGirl]

2. I never necessarily said it would be the character's fault. But if a character really is unnecessary to the plot, the writers might not take her seriously.

They should; it's their job to take the characters seriously. And has there ever been any indication that Jonah Nolan would flake on Catwoman? It's such an irrational fear to me.

 

[Indrid Cold]

What would be cool is to have Catwoman be a flashback in Batman's mind. Let's say that Catwoman was a foe he dealt with in between Begins and TDK. Perhaps we see glimpses of their encounters as Catwoman tried to seduce Batman to the criminal side. Noone said it, so that's why I am. If you don't like it well.......tuff titty said the kitty!

 

[General_Obol]

Nolan doesn't include characters unless they serve a purpose within his stories. Even Zszaz was part of a plot point in Batman Begins (establishing that Crane was a mob psychiatrist). So I doubt he would include a love interest like Talia or Catwoman without them serving a purpose within the story.

Zsasz also didn't have any lines.

They should; it's their job to take the characters seriously. And has there ever been any indication that Jonah Nolan would flake on Catwoman? It's such an irrational fear to me.

Let me re-phrase what I said. They might just drop the character altogether. Remember, Harvey Dent was supposed to be in Begins, but, because the writers couldn't do the character justice in the film, all his qualities were given to Rachel.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Zsasz also didn't have any lines.

Let me re-phrase what I said. They might just drop the character altogether. Remember, Harvey Dent was supposed to be in Begins, but, because the writers couldn't do the character justice in the film, all his qualities were given to Rachel.

That's exactly my point. Zsasz was an extremely small character, yet he still served a purpose, so you can bet money that a character like Selina will have a purpose.

And Harvey was dropped from Begins because they had to make room for Rachel, who was forced on the script by WB, who mandated there must be a love interest.

Whereas Selina, or Talia, both could be involved in the main storyline of the next movie, and are both great foils that expose different themes and elements of Bruce as a character.

 

[bruce_kent]

My suggestions:

Rachel Weisz as Selina Kyle/Catwoman





Aaron Eckhart as Harvey Dent/Two Face






Damian Lewis as Dr. Edward Nygma/The Riddler






Cillian Murphy as Dr. Jonathan Crane/Scarecrow






Bob Hoskins as Oswald Cobbleppot/The Penguin






Vincent Cassel as Roman Sionis/Black Mask






Ray Liotta as Tony Zucco






Tim Booth as Víctor Zsasz

Bye

 

[General_Obol]

That's exactly my point. Zsasz was an extremely small character, yet he still served a purpose, so you can bet money that a character like Selina will have a purpose.

And Harvey was dropped from Begins because they had to make room for Rachel, who was forced on the script by WB, who mandated there must be a love interest.

Whereas Selina, or Talia, both could be involved in the main storyline of the next movie, and are both great foils that expose different themes and elements of Bruce as a character.

That's exactly my point - Catwoman is too big to be relegated as a minor character and still be i great foil to Rachel and expose dirrerent themes of Bruce's character.

 

[Texas Zombie]

shouldnt he have posted those in the casting call thread?

 

[sabetoonth]

My suggestions:

Rachel Weisz as Selina Kyle/Catwoman





Aaron Eckhart as Harvey Dent/Two Face






Damian Lewis as Dr. Edward Nygma/The Riddler






Cillian Murphy as Dr. Jonathan Crane/Scarecrow






Bob Hoskins as Oswald Cobbleppot/The Penguin






Vincent Cassel as Roman Sionis/Black Mask






Ray Liotta as Tony Zucco






Tim Booth as Víctor Zsasz

Bye

should be on the casting thread(s) but i like your choices
selina could be more or less a robin hood, stealing fromthe rich and using those riches to help the poor and down trodden of the gotham populace, she also gets a kick out of it, finding it fun and amusing
face it two face is dead
riddler:a former wayne enterprises employee obsessed with bruce wayne, and the rest of the wayne family. he becomes equally enthralled by the batman he begins to make assumptions and posting things on the internet and other places suggesting bruce is batman, not knowing how right he really is. he starts to do serious investigating and starts to link bruce and batman with serious evidence. when the police disregard the ramblings of a man in a neon green siut and gold cane, he becomes obsessed with revealing the identity of the batman
penguin: a rich socialite and owner of the iceburg lounge in gotham, he uses the above levels of the building to smuggle girls, guns, drugs and anything else if it payed well, he takes pride in the fact that he is the onlt person in gotham to have live animals in the confines of their business, his penguines
first off that pic is ****in creepy! roman sionis is an old associate of bruces, they were playmates in childhood, co gradutes in highschool, and roomed together in college, roamn the entire time despising the waynes and hs parents for forcing socializing with them upon him, after wayne dosent rreturn after the murder of joe chill roman somes hom a grad and murders both parents, flawlessly, no evidence, no convition. when roman early bankrupts the family company on a bogus cosmetic, wayne offers to buy out roman to stabalizr the company, seeing waynes offer as an insult, he burns down the biulding and in his insanity breaks inot the family mauselium breking th eebony wood lid of his mother coffin, he sees his reflection in the wood and carves a face inot it, a dead face, a skull. nw he attempts to rebiuld the mob using anything left of the family fundsm keeping his activites a scret

 

[Texas Zombie]

bruce do you have a blog or website?

 

[Indrid Cold]

I have the belief that this film will have one major character and one minor if not obscure character from Batman's rouges gallery. I'm sure the goal of the movie is more story than bang for your buck big name actors and villains.

 

[Texas Zombie]

i think nolan will try to finish off the beginning of batman. bat cave, more batmobile esque batmobile, more classic batman bat suit, less emotional batman(internal conflict only alfred hears), and more epic story.

 

[Indrid Cold]

i think nolan will try to finish off the beginning of batman. bat cave, more batmobile esque batmobile, more classic batman bat suit, less emotional batman(internal conflict only alfred hears), and more epic story.

Would love for this to be the case.

 

[Texas Zombie]

showing his transition, from a man in a suit, to a legend, mr wayne, sorry couldnt help myself,

I hope at the end he has armor that looks less like armor, gordan asks him if its new armor and he says something like. something like that, touches the side of his head, and it turns his eyes all white.

 

[Indrid Cold]

showing his transition, from a man in a suit, to a legend, mr wayne, sorry couldnt help myself,

I hope at the end he has armor that looks less like armor, gordan asks him if its new armor and he says something like. something like that, touches the side of his head, and it turns his eyes all white.

Would love this not to be the case.

 

[Texas Zombie]

yeah, I the white eyes is cool, but I just hope he transitions a little more into batman, right now he still bruce wayne playing batman.

the top 3 things I want are.

bat cave,
more batman(please have him throw at least one batarang this time around, really needs to be less emotional, especially since rachel died),
and iconic batman(mre batman esq costume, and batmobile.

Now that harveys and rachel are gone there is no one stopping batman from being batman.

I wanna see one scene where he kicks a little a**, maybe a smirk.

 

[bruce_kent]

bruce do you have a blog or website?

this is my official website: http://jlunlimitedimension.blogspot.com/

and my site dedicate to the dark knight: http://thedarkknightoftomorrow.blogspot.com/

Bye