The Dark Knight Rises Ideas For Incorporating Characters Into the Nolanverse

[Texas Zombie]

edit. double post

 

[Texas Zombie]

I would prefer if black mask went into the room, and he has a goal, interogation, the screen pans his interogation tools left to right, there is a scalpel, then a pocket knife, then a kitchen knife, a butcher knife, and finally a chansaw, you hear nothing for a few minutes and then, brrrrrrrraah, the rev of a chainsaw.

I want croc to be a henchmen for scarecrow. He is tall and frightening, he has a skin condition, his skin is riddled with scars, and has heavy sunburn, and then batman becomes gassed(blue flower, scare gas), and he looks like a giant croc creature.

Deadshot is an assassin hired by black mask, to take out batman, since black mask doesn't F'around. He hires the best, deadshot. He uses to colt pistol, but when he is disarmed, he has a pistol on his arm. When he is defeated he pleads batman to kill him. He wants to die an honorable death in battle.

Black mask is a sadistic, non forgiving mob boss, he plays one game, murder, he has skyrocketed the underground in gotham. The joker inspired a new breed of insane to come out. Black mask gives them the means to do so. Wether it be most of his muscle being ex arkham inmates, or creating a gang war in which he fuels both sides with guns and drugs, he has found a way to make profit out of the most evil things. He asks once, and depending on the answer you live.

Zsasz is hired by black mask, his job is to kill as many people possible.

Roman sionis is the Ceo of janus industries( a wayne ind rival), he has his own private military which he lets people who live in gotham pay to be protected by, they protect mob banks, special buildings and many other misc things. They introduced a future warfare line products, which inlcudes there superdrug S.E.D.(soldier enhancing drug), it is a opioid, epinephrine, testosterone, and mind altering mix(dubbed Venom or the venom cocktail by the street users, if mixed with other drug the effect change dramatically). The is a street made version which is just heroin, mixed with an epinephrine shot, and misc steroids, it is usually fatal. They have also developed a arm mounted pistol, that is very concealable. They have also developed an ai targeting system.

Bane is a cult leader, and revolutionist who tries to kill batman, he wears a mask, and is severely addicted to venom, he is believed to be one of the memeber of santa prisca prison who was illegally tested on by janus industries.

the twist, secretly black mask is roman sionis, and when this is discovered he weld the mask to his face, and there is now no safe way to get it off(there is a small mouth opening), he uses his own products(venom, and it has effected him, he has become almost numb, leaving no pain, although he has some sense of feeling, there is little pain). He uses a large bowie knife, and other random guns. Deadsot gets his weapons illegally from roman, as well as bane does.

Tony Zucco is an old mob hitman, he is very old school, and seriously scary man, he takes most hits black mask gives him, although he has a softspot for kids and usually will not kill them.

 

[sabetoonth]

there fore opening for a future of robin the nolanvese, zucco kills all but the child grayson ,very good idea, and the bm scene i described was just for an idea of how they push the envlope like the y did with joker, your ideas are damn good, and if croc has epidedrmic hyperkartosis, and what yougave him, hed alreasy be scary, and the toxin ould only make it worse, really good ideas as usual

 

[Infinity9999x]

You had me until that.

The problem of including Catwoman is not only that's she's not enough of a threat, but she can't really blend in if another villain is present. This is why I prefer Talia al Ghul over Catwoman any day.

Wait....what?

That makes absolutely no sense. If anything, Catwoman can blend in easier when another villain is active. It leaves her free to steal while Bats is preoccupied with the Riddler (or whoever they choose to incorporate).

I've never thought Catwoman works as a straight villain to Batman. She's much better when she's used as more of a playful adversary, similar to how Loeb writes her. Catwoman wouldn't have a reason to "team up" with Riddler, because I honestly don't think she wants Batman dead. That would ruin her fun.

The only way I want Catwoman connected to the Riddler's storyline is in a situation like...Riddler hiring her to do a job, or Catwoman stealing something the Riddler wanted, thus making her a target, but no "team ups." I just don't think it works with her character. Despite all Burton did right with Catwoman in Returns, that was one thing I didn't.

 

[General_Obol]

Wait....what?

That makes absolutely no sense. If anything, Catwoman can blend in easier when another villain is active. It leaves her free to steal while Bats is preoccupied with the Riddler (or whoever they choose to incorporate).

I've never thought Catwoman works as a straight villain to Batman. She's much better when she's used as more of a playful adversary, similar to how Loeb writes her. Catwoman wouldn't have a reason to "team up" with Riddler, because I honestly don't think she wants Batman dead. That would ruin her fun.

The only way I want Catwoman connected to the Riddler's storyline is in a situation like...Riddler hiring her to do a job, or Catwoman stealing something the Riddler wanted, thus making her a target, but no "team ups." I just don't think it works with her character. Despite all Burton did right with Catwoman in Returns, that was one thing I didn't.

What you're saying is actually my point. She's not a part of the villain's plan to destroy Gotham, nor Batman's plan to save it. She's an unnecessary plot device.

 

[Texas Zombie]

there fore opening for a future of robin the nolanvese, zucco kills all but the child grayson ,very good idea, and the bm scene i described was just for an idea of how they push the envlope like the y did with joker, your ideas are damn good, and if croc has epidedrmic hyperkartosis, and what yougave him, hed alreasy be scary, and the toxin ould only make it worse, really good ideas as usual

thanks, and yeah i like the idea of pushing the envelope, and i think adding zucco would be the perfect touch.

I personally think hinting at the future is not bad.

I also think catwoman is not a great villain, she is just not EVIL.

And if riddler is used, I would like him to be obsessed with hygiene, wear a very clean suit, and wipe any blood of his face with his hankercheif(don't know how to spell it, or if thats remotely right).

 

[S_H_F_4839]

I wouldnt be opposed to seeing riddler,and catwoman combo, or possible a talia and bane combo.

I would like to see Talia trying to pick up the pieces of the league of shadows and restore it after ras death, she would bring bruces chief rival from the league back into it in the part of bane.

Riddler I like the idea of him working with the police as edward nigma and working against them as the riddler. Catwoman would be obsessed with going after the mafia in her thefts, she would hit them because she has a personal vendetta against the new head of the family who would be either alberto or his brother from dark victory.

As for banes backstory, he would be shown to have been recruited into the league of shadows and would develop a rivalry with bruce, they could bring liam neeson back as ras, he would have scenes with bane and with talia laying the foundation for their backstory, I would like to see bane take the rivalry against wayne too far and do something that cost him his honor in ras's eyes who sends him to santa prisca prison as punishment. Talia would travel to the prison and with what is left of the league break him out. Because they would have been a couple that could even be the issue that pushes ras to kick him out, ras have set up ground rules where no member of the league can be with his family.

 

[COMPO]

does a villain have to be evil, I mean, does a robber have to be evil to rob someone?

 

[Infinity9999x]

What you're saying is actually my point. She's not a part of the villain's plan to destroy Gotham, nor Batman's plan to save it. She's an unnecessary plot device.

Ahh, you were talking about her blending in thematically, I thought you meant it in a more literal sense story-telling wise.

However, I would disagree that she's an unnecessary plot device. Catwoman is a great foil for Batman, in that she essentially is a Batman with out (or with much less rigid) morals.

Bruce has always been a person who's attracted to adventure. Yes, he created Batman primarily to avenge his parents and protect people, but you can't deny that he's attracted to the glamor of adventure. Countless writers have reflected this (Miller in Y1, showing Bruce doing flips on his skies while on a "restful" ski trip, or the fact Zorro was the movie Bruce was watching before his parents died in the comics).

Catwoman represents the allure of simply letting yourself become lost in the excitement of being a vigilante. She lives only for the fun and excitement of being a masked persona, without the responsibility that Bruce carries. This could be very tempting to Bruce, because honestly, who doesn't just want to say "to heck with it all" and live for fun?

She could also be very usefull if they explore the dillema between "where does Bruce Wayne end and Batman begin?" Bruce has always struggled with maintining a balance between his costumed alter ego, his fake playboy Bruce Wayne, and his true self. If they explore the angle that he's becoming more and more obsessed with being Batman and rarely taking the time to be Bruce, Catwoman would be the perfect representation of the allure of the mask, that keeps pulling Bruce back towards going back into the suit, and also be a very real reason why he's always going out as Batman.

Besides that, she's a very interesting love interest. So I would say there are a variety of ways Catwoman would fit in thematically within the story of the next movie.

 

[General_Obol]

Ahh, you were talking about her blending in thematically, I thought you meant it in a more literal sense story-telling wise.

However, I would disagree that she's an unnecessary plot device. Catwoman is a great foil for Batman, in that she essentially is a Batman with out (or with much less rigid) morals.

Bruce has always been a person who's attracted to adventure. Yes, he created Batman primarily to avenge his parents and protect people, but you can't deny that he's attracted to the glamor of adventure. Countless writers have reflected this (Miller in Y1, showing Bruce doing flips on his skies while on a "restful" ski trip, or the fact Zorro was the movie Bruce was watching before his parents died in the comics).

Catwoman represents the allure of simply letting yourself become lost in the excitement of being a vigilante. She lives only for the fun and excitement of being a masked persona, without the responsibility that Bruce carries. This could be very tempting to Bruce, because honestly, who doesn't just want to say "to heck with it all" and live for fun?

She could also be very usefull if they explore the dillema between "where does Bruce Wayne end and Batman begin?" Bruce has always struggled with maintining a balance between his costumed alter ego, his fake playboy Bruce Wayne, and his true self. If they explore the angle that he's becoming more and more obsessed with being Batman and rarely taking the time to be Bruce, Catwoman would be the perfect representation of the allure of the mask, that keeps pulling Bruce back towards going back into the suit, and also be a very real reason why he's always going out as Batman.

Besides that, she's a very interesting love interest. So I would say there are a variety of ways Catwoman would fit in thematically within the story of the next movie.

I only mean that she would be an unnecessary plot device in these films. She simply cannot work into the main storyline, nor can she be the main villain as she can't provide the same type of threat previous main villains have.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I only mean that she would be an unnecessary plot device in these films. She simply cannot work into the main storyline, nor can she be the main villain as she can't provide the same type of threat previous main villains have.

How would she be unnecessary? She could add to Bruce's character development, or the them of the movie, as I've said above. She could easily work into the main story if you have her do something like
*Get hired by Riddler to do a job, thus putting her in Batman's way
*Steal something Riddler wants, thus forcing Batman to protect her but also watch her so she doesn't steal anything else
*If Edward Nygma is portrayed as a high class Gotham Socialite, he could be vying with Bruce Wayne for Selina Kyle's affections, while at the same time, as Catwoman, Selina Kyle steals from Nygma..ect, ect.

She can fit in the main storyline quite easily. She's no more unnecessary that Talia or any other love interest would be.

 

[General_Obol]

How would she be unnecessary? She could add to Bruce's character development, or the them of the movie, as I've said above. She could easily work into the main story if you have her do something like
*Get hired by Riddler to do a job, thus putting her in Batman's way
*Steal something Riddler wants, thus forcing Batman to protect her but also watch her so she doesn't steal anything else
*If Edward Nygma is portrayed as a high class Gotham Socialite, he could be vying with Bruce Wayne for Selina Kyle's affections, while at the same time, as Catwoman, Selina Kyle steals from Nygma..ect, ect.

She can fit in the main storyline quite easily. She's no more unnecessary that Talia or any other love interest would be.

Your three scenarios rebuked:
1. That's an unnecessary villain team up. The Riddler should play most of the game from behind the scenes, manipulating a dumber brute to do most of his dirty work if need be
2. That would not make Batman protect her.
3. Bruce probably won't be on the dating scene. A new love interest should more or less be someone that Bruce can't understand why he's attracted to her - torn between new affections and old grievances.

Talia would be better because she can also function as a main villain. To introduce a new character this late in the game just to replace one of the main characters in the series is what avid TV fans would call a "jump-the-shark" moment.

And besides, Talia had Bruce's kid.

 

[BestGirl]

Talia would be better because she can also function as a main villain. To introduce a new character this late in the game just to replace one of the main characters in the series is what avid TV fans would call a "jump-the-shark" moment.

No fan would ever interpret the introduction of Catwoman as a jump the shark moment. She's too popular and she can contribute to the plot in a way that Rachel couldn't.

 

[sabetoonth]

(talia had his kid)
not yet she hasnt! in the movies, seina father also isnt a raving lunatic mass murderer hell bent on genocide or utopia

 

[Infinity9999x]

Your three scenarios rebuked:
1. That's an unnecessary villain team up. The Riddler should play most of the game from behind the scenes, manipulating a dumber brute to do most of his dirty work if need be
2. That would not make Batman protect her.
3. Bruce probably won't be on the dating scene. A new love interest should more or less be someone that Bruce can't understand why he's attracted to her - torn between new affections and old grievances.

Talia would be better because she can also function as a main villain. To introduce a new character this late in the game just to replace one of the main characters in the series is what avid TV fans would call a "jump-the-shark" moment.

And besides, Talia had Bruce's kid.

1.How would it be unnecessary at all? The Riddler would view it as manipulating a dumb brute to do his dirty work if he hired Selina to steal something for him. Nygma views everyone besides himself (and maybe Batman) as a dumb brute. Selina would obviously be the best burglar in town, and Nygma would hire the best.
2. What do you mean it wouldn't make Batman protect her? Batman has done similar things in the past. If Batman sees someone trying to kill someone else, he helps out that person, even if he knows that person is a criminal. That's who Batman is.
3. I never said Bruce would be on the dating scene, I said he would be vying for her affection. What you said is exactly how I would want Bruce's relationship with Selina to unfold. An unexplainable, yet very potent, attraction, laced with guilt over already becoming attracted to another person so soon after Rachel's death.

Not only that, it would help his "cover" seeing as how Bruce routinely wines and dines women to keep up his playboy facade.

And...Talia having Bruce's baby in the comics adds absolutely nothing to the argument. That's like me saying "And Batman said "Quiet or Papa Spank"." Well yeah, he did say that in the comics, but that has absolutely no effect on the movie-verse whatsoever.

And while I think Talia would work, using her as a main villain would be somewhat repetitive. But, she's just as valid a choice as Selina, and I see no way that Selina is any more unnecessary than Talia. They both serve as love interests and foils to Bruce that highlight aspects of Bruce's character.

 

[Texas Zombie]

I think a hole orchestrated plot is used way to much.

Wouldn't it be crazy if they used calenderman, a serial killer, mass murderer, and terrorist, obsessed with time.

Bane comes in as a revolutionist, to destroy gotham and create a new, like pheonix.

Black mask is the head of the organized crime, he is ruthless.

The entire thing seems to be run by a questionable man, when he begins delivering riddles to batman the whole thing becomes charade.

Catwoman is more or less a stunt junkie, if there were no batman, she would probably be jumping out of planes, on fire, without a parachute.

Mr. Freeze, a doctor and scientist, who worked for wayne industries many years ago. He was trying to find a cure for cancer, when a tank of an experimental chemical exploded, it barely got on his skin, but it burned it so severely there is no pigmentation left, his eyes have also gone. He became obsessed with one of his cancer ridden patients, when he found out she was dying, he freaked out. Her began working constantly with unstable chemicals, he developed a breathing problem, which requires his air to be cool. When her heart stops, and he illegally freezes her body. He has become forced to do what ever is necessary to save his love, and with no funding, he has to use unconditional methods to rob banks, he uses the chemicals he has, his vast knowledge, and an experimental suit designed for extreme space conditions.
He found it very easy to spit liq nitrogen all over a steel door, all thats needed is a small ballpin hammer.

 

[Octoberist]

In my head, I would like to have Black Mask as a straight up Italian. Meaning no English.

Image that, an Italian gangster type who just speak Italian thoughout the entire movie.

 

[General_Obol]

No fan would ever interpret the introduction of Catwoman as a jump the shark moment. She's too popular and she can contribute to the plot in a way that Rachel couldn't.

Interesting, you just kind of put yourself down

But any character can be a "jump-the-shark" deal, especially if the character is poorly acted. And all the fan choices for Catwoman so far are also horrible actresses (like Angelina Jolie)

1.How would it be unnecessary at all? The Riddler would view it as manipulating a dumb brute to do his dirty work if he hired Selina to steal something for him. Nygma views everyone besides himself (and maybe Batman) as a dumb brute. Selina would obviously be the best burglar in town, and Nygma would hire the best.
2. What do you mean it wouldn't make Batman protect her? Batman has done similar things in the past. If Batman sees someone trying to kill someone else, he helps out that person, even if he knows that person is a criminal. That's who Batman is.
3. I never said Bruce would be on the dating scene, I said he would be vying for her affection. What you said is exactly how I would want Bruce's relationship with Selina to unfold. An unexplainable, yet very potent, attraction, laced with guilt over already becoming attracted to another person so soon after Rachel's death.

Not only that, it would help his "cover" seeing as how Bruce routinely wines and dines women to keep up his playboy facade.

And...Talia having Bruce's baby in the comics adds absolutely nothing to the argument. That's like me saying "And Batman said "Quiet or Papa Spank"." Well yeah, he did say that in the comics, but that has absolutely no effect on the movie-verse whatsoever.

And while I think Talia would work, using her as a main villain would be somewhat repetitive. But, she's just as valid a choice as Selina, and I see no way that Selina is any more unnecessary than Talia. They both serve as love interests and foils to Bruce that highlight aspects of Bruce's character.

:facepalm

 

[Indrid Cold]

Ladies and Gentlemen, I fear that this next film will be a lot different than what we may all may think. I am not discounting the ideas many of you have spent countless minutes fabricating, but the reality is: expect something different....call it a hunch.

 

[Infinity9999x]

:facepalm

I'm not sure if this was your intention or not, but when you respond to a reasoned argument with dismissive emoticons, most people take it as a device to hide the fact that you couldn't come up with a rebuttal to the argument.

Not stating that that was your intention, but it happens to come off that way.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I fear that this next film will be a lot different than what we may all may think. I am not discounting the ideas many of you have spent countless minutes fabricating, but the reality is: expect something different....call it a hunch.

I agree completely. But hey, if we didn't want to speculate, this forum wouldn't exist. Speculating is half the fun of the hype surrounding movies like these.

 

[BestGirl]

Interesting, you just kind of put yourself down

No, I'm merely acknowledging some fanboys' complaints about me.

But any character can be a "jump-the-shark" deal, especially if the character is poorly acted.

Yes, though that's not the character's fault. Catwoman's got an equal possibility of success as any other villain.

And all the fan choices for Catwoman so far are also horrible actresses (like Angelina Jolie)

Expect angry Angelina fans to be all over you for this one.

 

[Indrid Cold]

I agree completely. But hey, if we didn't want to speculate, this forum wouldn't exist. Speculating is half the fun of the hype surrounding movies like these.

Speculation is fine, but recently it seems these ideas are now just repeating over and over. Not that these ideas are bad mind you, but the same arguments and similar plot lines, are starting to blur. It's getting hard to say "that's a great concept" or "very original" without someone saying "yeah but some other guy on here posted it and I was elaborating". Maybe it's just me and I'm just in this thread a little too much.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Speculation is fine, but recently it seems these ideas are now just repeating over and over. Not that these ideas are bad mind you, but the same arguements and similar plot lines, are starting to blur. It's getting hard to say "that's a great concept" or "very original" without someone saying "yeah but some other guy on here posted it and I was elaborating". Maybe it's just me and I'm just in this thread a little too much.

Well, that certainly could be part of the reasont:

That's kind of what happens when we're in the "lull" periods before we start getting actual information about the movie. Heck, I'm sure everyone remembers the period before we had any news about TDK where all discussion was basically people arguing over their favorite choices for the Joker. "Bettany! Depp! Hulme!" ect. ect.

 

[The Democrat]

I was listening to Radio West this morning on NPR and they had the author of a new book about auditory halucinations on. The basic premise is that 60 percent of Americans claim to have heard a voice speak to them when they are alone. The vast majority of those people lead healthy standard lives and the voices they hear are often associated with guardian type guidance not the schizophrenic violence we see most often in popular culture and on the news. This gave me an idea.

Edward Nashton is a well educated, upper middle class, well rounded man. A patent lawyer or engineer. A creative type but not an artist. More of a skilled artisan. He's cultivated a proper life for himself but is often typified as a loner, albeit polite and mild mannered though he suffers from a quiet, egotistical complex that as he has aged has developed into a sort of Kruger-Dunning syndrome, where in he has become convinced of his own superior competence and believes that the world has slipped into utter chaos. His entire life he's heard a subtle voice that has urged him to his successes with Socratic questioning but ultimately as he becomes more irate with the world around him so too does the voice which begins to multiply and take over more and more aspects of his personality. Ultimately it leads him to a point where he attempts to crash the whole system through a cyber-terrorist attack on the city. A sort of fire sale attack that causes mass chaos.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

does a villain have to be evil, I mean, does a robber have to be evil to rob someone?

Breaking the law in any form is evil.