The Dark Knight Rises Ideas For Incorporating Characters Into the Nolanverse

[sabetoonth]

well if hes the leader of the arkham escapees, he could still be leading them through the narrows or sewers commiting crimes, alot of people want to se say rhino in a breif battles scene in the opening of spiderman, zsaz could have something like that,, batman taking out him and his little badn of psychos

 

[Indrid Cold]

That was barely a C storyline. The Scarecrow was more of a B storyline.

Actually you're right about that.

well if hes the leader of the arkham escapees, he could still be leading them through the narrows or sewers commiting crimes, alot of people want to se say rhino in a breif battles scene in the opening of spiderman, zsaz could have something like that,, batman taking out him and his little badn of psychos

That's like a 10 min portion of the film, could be ok I guess, but no REAL point.

 

[sabetoonth]

it had no more piont than using scarecrow in tdk, they could have used any other drug dealer

 

[General_Obol]

To all Riddler and Catwoman fans out there:

Any guess on how their monikers will be used in the next film, if either (or both) of the characters are used? Previous superhero movies either had the media coin the name (Green Goblin and Doctor Octopus in the Spider-Man movies) or only use the name once to discribe the villain (Iron Monger in Iron Man, Abomination in The Incredible Hulk). Villains like the Joker and the Scarecrow at least had some basis for where their names came from, but "Riddler" and "Catwoman" are two completely made up terms.

 

[ultimatefan]

I think media would coin Selina Catwoman, especially given that there already is a Batman. The Riddler could use the name as the signature to his riddles.

 

[Texas Zombie]

i would rather see the news talk about a female cat burglar(she steals a large golden cat, and then a lot of diamonds), and alfred call her, "that cat woman thief, just have more random names for her, call her the cat woman, the one on the news.

I would like for her to be a modern day adventurer, she has traveled the world, she is a thrill seeker, she picked up the journeymen's tool(the whip) in her adventurous life, I would like for her to carry a knife as well.

She finds herself in gotham for a moment, and simply cannot find anything fun, so she decides to steal some things, after the robberies the media name her the cat napper, and many people call her cat girl, as a sort of theif nickname, she decides to take up the identity modifying her outfit, and then she challenges batman to a game of cat and mouse, and along the way they kind of fall in love, although batman cannot connect, she seems to ease the pain of losing rachel.

 

[CheeseFiend]

- Catwoman is not a vengeful feminist psycho b***. She´s a burglar, first and foremost. She enjoys the thrill and danger of the crime, which makes her the perfect opposite that attracts Batman.

I see what you're saying here but I hate how being a feminist is seen under such a negative light these days. People tend to misinterpret the term "feminism" as "man hating", which is definitely not the case and never was.
[that was kinda O/T, sorry]

 

[sabetoonth]

feminists dont hate men, i har everyday i play gta vc vcpr, a man hater goes on in the guise of feminism and gets chewed out by a caller for bing a man hater and not a real feminist,
cat woman being used onthe news and inspiring selina to takea cat motif is a good idea, then she plays cat and bat with batman

 

[Texas Zombie]

some feminist are sexist, there called radical feminists, I think that the riddler is a pretty bad villain, although he could be done right, I just really want them to tell me what villain I am going to see, if nolan says they are making a movie and the villain is killer moth, or maxie zues, ill say, uh, ok, I'm listening.

But i really think it would be best if selina was a thrill seeker looking for some fun, and there is nothing more fun than a diluted dress up, game of cops and robbers.

 

[sabetoonth]

exactly!

 

[General_Obol]

1st film - Ra's al Ghul tries to destroy Gotham City by introducing a powerful hallucinogen to Gotham's water supply that, when vaporized, will expose a vast majority of Gothamites to the drug. The resulting mass addiction and hallucinations would cause the Gothamites to tear the city apart.

2nd film - The Joker tries to destroy the soul of Gotham by revealing how corrupt and humans everyone actually are. To meet these ends, he assassinates several powerful figures in Gotham, including Police Commissioner Loeb, Justice Surillo, and almost Mayor Garcia, as well as hold the city hostage, cause a city-wide panic, and breaking down District Attorney Harvey Dent, the so-called "Gotham's White Knight", until he goes on a murdering spree, killing the people he believes responsible for his downfall.

3rd film - Catwoman tries to steal some jewels from a museum.

Call me crazy, but I just can't see how Catwoman can provide the same kind of threat Ra's al Ghul and the Joker did in the previous films. And she doesn't necessarily blend well with another villain. Chris Nolan's Batfilms have done an excellent job with blending villain's stories together in a way that multiple villains can be used without having a villain team-up. The last thing we need is to have multiple villain stories going on at once. See Spider-Man 3 for more details.

 

[sabetoonth]

catwoman as side villain when she steals form, say the big v is black mask, and he wants to kill her so you have a villain trying to kill the other villain, who bats has an attraction to, selina reveals to bruce, not bats, who she is, so know bats feels compelled to help her against bm feeking it as pennance for saving racheal

 

[Indrid Cold]

1st film - Ra's al Ghul tries to destroy Gotham City by introducing a powerful hallucinogen to Gotham's water supply that, when vaporized, will expose a vast majority of Gothamites to the drug. The resulting mass addiction and hallucinations would cause the Gothamites to tear the city apart.

2nd film - The Joker tries to destroy the soul of Gotham by revealing how corrupt and humans everyone actually are. To meet these ends, he assassinates several powerful figures in Gotham, including Police Commissioner Loeb, Justice Surillo, and almost Mayor Garcia, as well as hold the city hostage, cause a city-wide panic, and breaking down District Attorney Harvey Dent, the so-called "Gotham's White Knight", until he goes on a murdering spree, killing the people he believes responsible for his downfall.

3rd film - Catwoman tries to steal some jewels from a museum.

Call me crazy, but I just can't see how Catwoman can provide the same kind of threat Ra's al Ghul and the Joker did in the previous films. And she doesn't necessarily blend well with another villain. Chris Nolan's Batfilms have done an excellent job with blending villain's stories together in a way that multiple villains can be used without having a villain team-up. The last thing we need is to have multiple villain stories going on at once. See Spider-Man 3 for more details.

If you think about the film in the terms that Gotham somehow must fall then how about this: In the third film the goal is not to destroy the city or the soul of Gotham, but the symbol of the city. That symbol is Batman, and he needs to be destroyed. There could be infiltration of Wayne enterprises and information could be gained on the identity of Batman by the Riddler. Catwoman could have a secondary role as the temptress that tries to lure Batman to the criminal world. The Riddler & Catwoman stories would be unrelated in a major way, but related in the thematic undertones of the film.

 

[General_Obol]

If you think about the film in the terms that Gotham somehow must fall then how about this: In the third film the goal is not to destroy the city or the soul of Gotham, but the symbol of the city. That symbol is Batman, and he needs to be destroyed. There could be infiltration of Wayne enterprises and information could be gained on the identity of Batman by the Riddler. Catwoman could have a secondary role as the temptress that tries to lure Batman to the criminal world. The Riddler & Catwoman stories would be unrelated in a major way, but related in the thematic undertones of the film.

You had me until that.

The problem of including Catwoman is not only that's she's not enough of a threat, but she can't really blend in if another villain is present. This is why I prefer Talia al Ghul over Catwoman any day.

 

[Indrid Cold]

You had me until that.

The problem of including Catwoman is not only that's she's not enough of a threat, but she can't really blend in if another villain is present. This is why I prefer Talia al Ghul over Catwoman any day.

If you look at the previous two films, you may have a point General. In Batman Begins, Ras was more the subdued villain with a larger reach in the storyline. The Scarecrow was more of a dramatic villain, whose moments on screen were action filled and...maybe..overdramatic. The theatrics of the Scarecrow makes you forget about the Ra's story line, but in affect made the significant connection and twist in the end that much more surprising. In the Dark Knight, Harvey Dent hand a his hand deep in the storyline because he was the white knight of the city and was trying to restore order. Before he was two-face his storyline was connected in everyway with that movie's universe. After the accident he was enigmatic with a one note agenda. The Joker on the other hand was weaving in and out of the story causing chaos and distracting the audience as Harvey's story ran it's course to the ultimate point of the movie: There is evil and corruption in everyone, including and resultantly having Harvey become Two-Face as that result, magnified to the nth degree. IMO having the Riddler be that theatrical element, with Catwoman playing the subdued role could make for a very interesting and cohesive story.

 

[General_Obol]

If you look at the previous two films, you may have a point General. In Batman Begins, Ras was more the subdued villain with a larger reach in the storyline. The Scarecrow was more of a dramatic villain, whose moments on screen were action filled and...maybe..overdramatic. The theatrics of the Scarecrow makes you forget about the Ra's story line, but in affect made the significant connection and twist in the end that much more surprising. In the Dark Knight, Harvey Dent hand a his hand deep in the storyline because he was the white knight of the city and was trying to restore order. Before he was two-face his storyline was connected in everyway with that movie's universe. After the accident he was enigmatic with a one note agenda. The Joker on the other hand was weaving in and out of the story causing chaos and distracting the audience as Harvey's story ran it's course to the ultimate point of the movie: There is evil and corruption in everyone, including and resultantly having Harvey become Two-Face as that result, magnified to the nth degree. IMO having the Riddler be that theatrical element, with Catwoman playing the subdued role could make for a very interesting and cohesive story.

Here's the problem: the two main villains (Ra's and the Joker) used the minor villain (Crane and Dent) as tools to reach their respective ends. Ra's used Crane to get the drugs into Gotham's water supply. The Joker used Dent as his trump card in his fight against Gotham. I can't picture the Catwoman being used as a pawn or manipulating someone in this fashion. I'd be more for Talia, as she can manipulate a minor villain, or even Harley Quinn, as her Joker-fanaticism could easily be manipulated by a smarter villain like the Riddler.

 

[J. Custer]

Riddler? Penguin? Depp? Seymour-Hoffman? Guy's why do I think so big and you so small. I say I have the greatest idea yet for a villan: Egghead. Bam. Now wait! Before you get all crazy. Would not Bruce Willis make for a great "Nolanized" interpretation of Egghead? For those to young to remember, Egg-head was an egg-themed villian on the Batman 60's TV series. He was the Joker of the breakfast set, if you will. He was obscenely pre-occupied with all things eggs. He was eggs-specially adept at incorporating the word egg into his everyday vern-egg-ular! AHhahaha! He was famously played by the master of the macarbe himself Vincent Price... who has since EGG-spired. Bruce! Bruceay! NO-lan N NOL NO NOLAN Eggheadddddd! let's do this. BATMAN: THE YOLKS ON BRUCE. great let's go to chicago and do this.

 

[J. Custer]

If they can't get Bruce Willis then whoooo?!!??? Whom would you pick? hmmm?

 

[Texas Zombie]

I personally don't want egghead or catwoman,

I want Zucco(without robin as a hitman, it would be great to hint at robin, without him being in it), Bane(somewhat like my bane, like shredder in the first tmnt, he inspires the youth, drug community, and some idealist, he uses intimidation, murder, and pure power to control gotham, it would be great at the end to have bane defeated, but he releases all the inmates of gotham, so it starts all over), scarecrow, and black mask as the resident mob boss.

 

[Texas Zombie]

I personally don't want egghead or catwoman,

I want Zucco(without robin as a hitman, it would be great to hint at robin, without him being in it), Bane(somewhat like my bane, like shredder in the first tmnt, he inspires the youth, drug community, and some idealist, he uses intimidation, murder, and pure power to control gotham, it would be great at the end to have bane defeated, but he releases all the inmates of gotham, so it starts all over), scarecrow, and black mask as the resident mob boss.

 

[redhawk23]

I'm still going with Rourke
as CRAZY QUILT!!!

 

[CWP]

Harley Quinn.

There are many openings in the story for her to fit into. It could be revealed that
A. She was in cahoots with the Joker since The Dark Knight and was another one of his backup plans to escape prison
B. She obsessed over the Joker's cunning and wants to break him out on her own
or C. She could just be a criminal who's also prison with the Joker and becomes a fan of his in there—enough to help him break out

Actually, it doesn't have to involve the Joker. Just mention him. I'll just take a little from B and she could be a criminal who wants to follow in Joker's footsteps and gets another ol' Batman villain to help her. Most of the Batman films didn't have just one villain, anyway.

 

[sabetoonth]

they can push the envolope ont he pg 13 rating even more with the sadistic black mask, one scene i imagined had bm walk into a room with just his slacks, dress shirt sleeves rolled up to his elbows, butchers apron on, and the mask, with rubber boots, he walks in a door were you can see someone tied up, they look very roughed up, sweaty etc, he goes in there with a sawsall or skill saw, closes the door behind him, then you hear screaming for minutes, then bm comes out the light is out in the room, not that theres much left to see of the vic, bm is coveredin blood, he walks forward off cmera, oh yeah, hes wearing white gloves

 

[catintheengine]

If they could put a spin on him, Hush could be cool too.

 

[sabetoonth]

give him a better reason then ,he hates the waynes cuz they didnt let him kill his mommy