The Dark Knight Rises Ideas For Incorporating Characters Into the Nolanverse

[Asteroid-Man]

EDIT; Double post

 

[Asteroid-Man]

The Black Mask, similar to his portrayal in the Batman with Bane as a body guard.

 

[Cunning Stunts]

I would love Clayface, but he's unrealistic under the Nolanverse.

Nolan could own the Riddler. I suspect he would also be a crazy, maniacal killer, but there would be some plot twist on the level with The Prestige. Nolan loves challenging the audience. The Riddler gives him that opportunity.

Actually, I could see The Riddler as a character who commits crimes similar to the robbery shown in the film Inside Man. I.e.- No traceable object was stolen, nobody was killed, and the police aren't able to prove that the robbery suspects did anything.

As for The Penguin, for some reason, I could see a world of good done to him by James Earl Jones.

 

[CrypticOne]

I'm telling you guys, I have a feeling that the third film will be about Batman getting back into the good graces of Gotham. I don't think there will be a villain. Batman will be the "villain." That's the only way I see BB3 going down.

 

[CrypticOne]

Edit.

 

[GoldGoblin]

-Oswald Cobblepot/Penguin:Arms dealer who no longer fears to come to Gotham to do major business with the mob families now that Batman is no longer a threat.

-Ventriloquist/Scarface:Mob boss to one of the mob families.

-Firefly:Arsenist who gets high tech equipment from Oswald Cobblepot/Penguin,the arms dealer who has come to Gotham.

-Blackmask:The other mob boss to the other mob family.

-The Reaper:A guy who thinks he is Gotham's needed hero now that Batman no longer is,but actually he is a villain because he kills the criminals.

^Or instead of The Reaper have Catwoman:A hired assassin to kill Batman.

 

[TLH]

I'm telling you guys, I have a feeling that the third film will be about Batman getting back into the good graces of Gotham. I don't think there will be a villain. Batman will be the "villain." That's the only way I see BB3 going down.

Interesting Cryptic, but I think you need something to draw audiences in. I love your idea, but I think maybe Batman could prove his worth to Gotham by taking down a new threat (i.e: a new villain). I would love to see Nolan's Riddler.

A lot of people say that TDK can't be topped, and I agree to an extent. I think the only way you can thrill the audience in the same way TDK does without the Joker is to do something different, along the lines of a crime mystery with the Riddler. We'll see. There are places Nolan can take the story and end it. I just want the studios to give him the freedom and time to deliver a proper third film. X3 and Spider-Man 3 really ruined their franchises for most hardcore fans. I just don't see it happening with Nolan. I don't see WB shooting themselves in the foot again with Batman, especially given the huge critical and box office success of Nolan's Batman movies.

 

[darkseid26]

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[FaT_tONle]

I think they should add Thorne as the new and permanent mob boss instead of killing all these guys off. Just like he was in TAS. Catwoman no doubt... still debating between Riddler and Bane... but since I don't think Nolan would do a good job with Bane I think Riddler would be better. We also need a B-list villain like Scarecrow for muscle for the mob. Ventriloquist voiced by none other than Al Pacino...

 

[He-Man]

I'm telling you guys, I have a feeling that the third film will be about Batman getting back into the good graces of Gotham. I don't think there will be a villain. Batman will be the "villain." That's the only way I see BB3 going down.

No villain = superman returns.

 

[Lord Blackbolt]

I want Ras Al Ghul to return. Introduce Talia...and maybe have Bane or some other villian working with them.

I'm a bit bored with Gotham and with Bats on the run from the law it would be interesting to see a Batman movie that's not entirely set in gotham for a change.

 

[Twin723]

If they were to make a 3rd one (although I don't think they should but they probably will due to the money it could make) I would like to see Scarecrow come back again or be included somehow. Cillian Murphy is awesome.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

I don't want Freeze or Penguin in it. Maybe not even Riddler.

The Nolan Films have had these though:
Leading Lady: Rachel Dawes
Mob Lords: Falcone & Maroni
Big Group of Baddies: League of Shadows and Joker's Clowns
Secondary Villain to help push the story along: Scarecrow and Two-Face
Main Villain: Ra's Al Ghoul and The Joker

Here's what I would like this time around:

Leading Lady:Selina Kyle, ends up being an assassin/cat-burglar who Batman discovers her identity and she helps batman in the end if no Catwoman, just use Vicky Vale.
Mob Lord: Black Mask, doesn't even need a mask, could just be what they call him and his right hand man/body guard could be Bane
Big Group of Baddies: The League of Shadows or just a group for the Riddler
Secondary Villain: Two-Face
Main Villain: Talia Al Ghoul or the Riddler

Anyways, I think the villains we could get that would still work are Two-Face, Talia Al Ghoul, The Joker, Harley Quinn, The Riddler, Black Mask, Bane & Catwoman.

The villains I WANT?
Black Mask
Two-Face (More important role)
The Joker (More of a side villain)

If we do include Harley Quinn/Talia Al Ghoul, we should have Catwoman so they can fight. If we don't have Two-Face, we SHOULD have Talia Al Ghoul to keep the revenge arc going. I personally do think however that Two-Face should be alive to clear Batman's name or that Ramirez should speak out that Batman didn't do it. I think since Two-Face and Joker are already introduced, that leaves enough time to introduce Catwoman and/or Harley Quinn.

EDIT: I was also thinking of HUSH... Think about it? Just stick with volume two and we've already Got the Joker and Two-Face AND Scarecrow! We'd just need to introduce the Riddler really and/or Catwoman. I think it would be a good way to end the trilogy.

 

[ChinoXL]

I like what IGN says about BANE

Bane
Alias: None

First Appearance: Vengeance of Bane #1 (1993)

Origin: Born in a prison on the island nation of Santa Prisca and condemned to a life sentence thanks to the crime his father committed, Bane sustained himself through years of hell on stories of the Batman's single-minded quest to protect Gotham. Like any full-blown psychopath would do, he decided his life's dream was to bust out of prison, move to Gotham and complete destroy his idol mentally and physically. Which he did.

Key Storylines: As much as the idea of a big screen adaptation of Knightfall tickles our fanboy fancy, we're more interested in seeing the films take Bane in a different direction. For inspiration, we suggest the tale that first introduced Bane and developed his complex psychology – Vengeance of Bane. Seeing that Ra's Al Ghul plays such a huge role in Nolan's Batman world, it also might be good to look at Bane of the Demon as well. Oh, and if you want to get into the back story of the Venom serum, there's nothing better than Dennis O'Neil's "Venom" storyline from Legends of the Dark Knight.

Living in Nolan's World: First off, let's just throw out the whole idea of the brain-fed tube and arm-activated steroid pump. Making Bane a chemically enhanced brute will suffice just fine in the steroid culture we currently live in. It's far more important to focus on Bane's fierce intelligence and singular devotion to his cause. In both these ways, he's very much the mirror image of Bruce Wayne, which is why he makes for such a fantastic antagonist.

If you want to tie him into Ra's and Talia's story, you can definitely make Bane's quest to prove himself against the Dark Knight coincide with Talia's appearance in Gotham, a coincidence that leads Talia (or Ra's) consider him as an heir apparent to The Demon's Head. If you want to keep it simple, you can have Bane use the mafia's (or perhaps the Penguin's) desire to rid Gotham of the Bat as an excuse to attempt his life's mission. Either way, there's tons of potential for this character. As far as casting goes, good luck with that. We've already seen how hard it is to find a muscular brute capable of decent acting. Just look at Hollywood's attempt to find a new Conan.

 

[lostman711]

The Riddler:
Maybe the guy that created the cell phone thing at the end of TDK. When he finds out he feels backstabbed so he goes kind of crazy. So he goes after Fox and there lies how he discovers that Bruce is Batman.

Just an idea

 

[Starscreamer]

Other than the Joker I would say Catwoman, Riddler and Penguin are Batman's best known foes. One of them should be the main villain. Batman also needs a love interest and Selina Kyle is puurrrffect!

 

[OwlBoy]

I want Ewan McGregor to play the Black Mask in the third movie. Here’s why:

First off; look at his face:

This guy has an almost perma-smile in nearly every picture he takes and yes its true he’s been reported as being a really nice guy but a smile that big almost looks too good, like he’s putting on an act. Remember Roman Sionis’ background? His family went out of their way to be friends with all the rich people and forced him to be friends with their kids but behind closed doors talked so much **** about everyone. I think McGregor could pull of this duplicitous nature: smiling in your face and hating you in his mind.

So how do we introduce him? Well let’s say that this next Batman movie (herein called BB3) is set just a month or two after the events of TDK. Rachel has to be buried or at least have a funeral and when people die, childhood friends tend to show up. So Sionis comes back to Gotham for Rachel’s funeral. He finds the city in chaos, Bruce Wayne (a man he hates) rising in power and success and the criminal underworld completely lacking any leadership.

Sionis would see this as opportunity to indulge in his true criminal impulses while simultaneously ruining and embarrassing the families of wealth and privilege he’s always loathed. Think about it a man with wealth, resources and capabilities of Bruce Wayne bringing the entire criminal element of Gotham under his heel? A business man running a totally vertically integrated operation of thugs, murderers and rapists? We’ve already seen this, twice:

Yep, imagine Frank Lucas (who was later played by Denzel in American Gangster) or Nino Brown the character he inspired from New Jack City as the new Capo De Tutti Cappi in Gotham and imagine how dangerous that would be.

Do how do we get Sionis to be the Black Mask?

Well I don’t think Noland would make him a skull-headed madman but originally he wore an actual Black Mask. And after the Scarecrow and the Joker, it’d make sense that whoever decides to set up shop in Gotham might wear a mask; hell, the criminals might expect it at this point. Wearing a simple full facemask would be reasonable and allows Sionis to play both sides of the coin.

 

[thedrizzle59]

Ive been thinking of a good way to include a few villains into the 3rd film. Riddler-a man whose power has been taken away and wants the respect he deserves. Makes a deal with Cobblepot to get a shipment of WMDs into the city. Meanwhile riddler distracts Gordan and Batman by killing off random cops and leaving riddles behind at each crime scene. While Gordan and Batsy play his little game, Cobblepot successfully aquires the WMDs for the riddler behind everybody's backs. Eventually Riddler Holds Gotham Hostage and threatens to destroy the city unless the city does what it was supposed to do in the first place, get rid of the batman! (still needs work and fine tuning, im going to start working on full synopsis and script soon once all the details are flushed out).

 

[GhostPoet]

NO, no and NO to Catwoman. We've had enough Catwoman.

The Riddler is the best, most logical choice. Followed by Mr. Freeze. If we have a secondary minor villain, than either the Penguin or Bane.

 

[Gamingboy]

SPOILERS FOR THE DARK KNIGHT

The Riddler


Edward Nashton/Nigma liked figuring things out. He was also obssessed with proving he was smarter then everyone else, causing him to get fired from just about any consulting job he took and forcing him to become a freelance writer, making puzzles and riddles for small-town newspapers and articles for niche magazines. But he was determined to show that he was smarter then everyone, and to prove it, he knew only one way to get the fame he wanted: solve the greatest riddle of all, the identity of the Dark Knight, Batman. It became an obsession for him, with all of his waking hours trying to figure out who the Batman was.

The events of The Dark Knight drove him over the edge. First, Harvey Dent announced he was Batman, causing Nigma to enter a deep depression at the fact that Batman's identity was revealed before he could figure it out. When this turned out to be untrue, Nigma was elated, but became angered when he realized that he had forgotten or destroyed much of his notes about the Batman. The claim by Mister Reese that he knew the Batman's identity further drove Nigma mad. The final straw that pushed Nigma over the edge was the revelation that Batman had killed five people, devastating Nigma, who, during his studies on Batman's identities had begun to identify and almost worship the Batman. Wanting to paradoxically prove his intelligence by figuring out Batman's identity AND clear his hero's name, Nigma took up a fake identity as "The Riddler". Unlike the Scarecrow and the Mob, who are in it for the Money, or the Joker, who just wanted to make the world burn, the Riddler is after information, any and all to get the answers he needs to prove himself.

 

[lostman711]

I like that idea

I was thinking a scorned lover comes looking for her man. Who happens to be the Joker so Harley Quinn gets in connect with the Riddler to find Batman who was one of the last people that saw the Joker.

 

[Gamingboy]

Mad Hatter (again, Dark Knight Spoilers)

To me, the Mad Hatter has always been the creepiest villain in DC (the STAS version of Toyman comes close), but the problem with the Nolanverse of Mad Hatter would be that, well, there is no real mind control technology like what Mad Hatter has (thank god!). But experiments on rats have shown that some electric shock therapy can induce them to do things that may be against what they would normally do. This is what would be what Tetch would use.

A deranged scientist interested in how electric shock treatment could be used to control and rehab criminals, Jervis Tetch went against policy and wanted to go forward on human tests, but his superior said "no". Tetch decided he would go forward anyway, and found shocking results: well placed electric shocks to the brain could make someone extremely violent, or very calm. Also, the mere threat of an electric shock would sometimes force people to do things. When his superior found about this, Tetch (who, due to some evidence that pointed to him being a pedophile, was already on the chopping block) was fired. Wanting to get revenge, Tetch began to study creating more compact electric shockers to induce people to do his will. Tetch would be shown to be both a sadist (he has to be to use SHOCK THERAPY ON HUMAN BEINGS) and a pedophile (although it would be more hinted at then shown, as to keep a PG-13 rating).

Tetch would find a kindred spirit with the Riddler, who wants to know if the electro-shock treatment could be used to force certain people to reveal everything they know about Batman, leading in one scene to Barbara Gordon Sr. to admit that the "Batman Murders" were actually done by Harvey Dent.


That's my idea, anyway. Other possibilities could involve MKULTRA (I.e. Drug induced mind-control experiments) or just a crazy guy with a Alice-In-Wonderland Fetish.

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Mad Hatter (again, Dark Knight Spoilers)

To me, the Mad Hatter has always been the creepiest villain in DC (the STAS version of Toyman comes close), but the problem with the Nolanverse of Mad Hatter would be that, well, there is no real mind control technology like what Mad Hatter has (thank god!). But experiments on rats have shown that some electric shock therapy can induce them to do things that may be against what they would normally do. This is what would be what Tetch would use.

A deranged scientist interested in how electric shock treatment could be used to control and rehab criminals, Jervis Tetch went against policy and wanted to go forward on human tests, but his superior said "no". Tetch decided he would go forward anyway, and found shocking results: well placed electric shocks to the brain could make someone extremely violent, or very calm. Also, the mere threat of an electric shock would sometimes force people to do things. When his superior found about this, Tetch (who, due to some evidence that pointed to him being a pedophile, was already on the chopping block) was fired. Wanting to get revenge, Tetch began to study creating more compact electric shockers to induce people to do his will. Tetch would be shown to be both a sadist (he has to be to use SHOCK THERAPY ON HUMAN BEINGS) and a pedophile (although it would be more hinted at then shown, as to keep a PG-13 rating).

Tetch would find a kindred spirit with the Riddler, who wants to know if the electro-shock treatment could be used to force certain people to reveal everything they know about Batman, leading in one scene to Barbara Gordon Sr. to admit that the "Batman Murders" were actually done by Harvey Dent.


That's my idea, anyway. Other possibilities could involve MKULTRA (I.e. Drug induced mind-control experiments) or just a crazy guy with a Alice-In-Wonderland Fetish.

I don't know if I would incorporate mind-control again into a Batman film. Sure, it worked for Jervis in the animated series, but I think the pedophilia idea or making him a fan of child molestation/rape is an idea or just have him be a fetishist and a cosplayer who enjoys "Alice in Wonderland." To me Hatter is more of a starter, beginning villain than perse' a whole movie villain.

 

[Gamingboy]

I don't know if I would incorporate mind-control again into a Batman film. Sure, it worked for Jervis in the animated series, but I think the pedophilia idea or making him a fan of child molestation/rape is an idea or just have him be a fetishist and a cosplayer who enjoys "Alice in Wonderland." To me Hatter is more of a starter, beginning villain than perse' a whole movie villain.

I was thinking he'd be more of the B-villain to the Riddler. I agree he probably couldn't carry a whole movie.

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

I was thinking he'd be more of the B-villain to the Riddler. I agree he probably couldn't carry a whole movie.

He could work as a secondary villain to Riddler I agree but I just don't feel mind-control is the way to go anymore. Hell, it ruined "Batman Forever" and it was really dumb in "Indiana Jones 4."

I think anything Riddler should be alone in his quest. With Thorne, Penguin, Black Mask, and Ventriloquist making up the new mobs.