The Dark Knight Rises Ideas For Incorporating Characters Into the Nolanverse

[[A]]

Riddler, but Zodiac-style

t: yay, loved the idea

 

[Conebone69]

There arent really any good villains left that would work in nolans universe besides the riddler

 

[Ledlunar]

Catwoman in on the man hunt of batman... aswell as other batman imposters who arnt as good as her... keep two face alive too.... have Joker get out of Arkham and let the inmates out to wreck things once again... have Two Face secretly in Arkham and start to finish what he started in TDK... eventually the people of gotham see harvey for what he is and batman for what he is... maybe Batman can go to Reese like he did to riddler in TLH to find out who Catwoman is

 

[Nepenthes]

Bane. Making him the benevolent dictator of his island home would be great way to continue the themes of TDK. Batman busts up some Santa Priscan smuggling operations in Gotham, which upsets the SP economy and the fragile balance between warring militias, industrial factions and cartels. This makes Batman a problem for Bane.

Bane is a supercharged version of the goddamn facist Batman. What Batman would be if Bruce had the balls to take all-out control of Gotham city. Except Bane rose up from a prison, not luxury, and now runs a whole friggin country in his iron grip; he laughs at Batman because he thinks he's weak, foolish and gutless. Bane therefore is The Better Protector; while Batman hides in shadows, meddles inefficiently, chases his own demons and wallows in blame and guilt like some kind of self-pitying martyr. Pathetic. A barely grown boy playing dress-ups in the night. Doesn't have the will to make real change, the kind of change that comes from being in charge.

Things come to head when Batman, recklessly, travels to Santa Prisca to put a permanent end to the illegal operations that affect Gotham. Baaaad move. He sneaks in and out like a slithering rat. Bane on the other hand does not operate that way. When he finds out he travels to Gotham as an official head of state and demands the government hand over Batman. When they do not, or cannot, he has no other recourse but to take him down himself, with his own highly trained men, his own plans and cunning, and finally his own two fists. This would be a great movie. It's fresh, international (setting half the film overseas like BB), vaguely pop-political, and very very different for Batman, which is precisely what we need. and yes this is a repost

 

[Ledlunar]

blah Id rather them end it at TDK than do a movie based on Bane or go back to movies based on flashbacks of batman training with the flying graysons..... that would be just a quick flashback to cover the tracks of why he takes dick in... no no no

 

[Kaizer104]

Copy pasting my ideas from another forum~

Bane has ties to Ra's Al Ghul so possibly show him as an ex-League of Shadows member who has come to finish the job Ra's started in Begins. This may require taking some creative license from "The Batman" as it would make Bane more of a ninja than a Mexican wrestler. Bane should be someone who joins forces with the mob in a way similar to Ra's Al Ghul did with his first target being the traitor to the League: Bruce Wayne aka Batman. The venom could be replaced with steroids or something to that degree which makes Bane physically superior to Batman and in terms of combat-knowledge, his near-equal.

Roman Sionis could be used as a newer corporate antagonist who tries to attack Wayne Enterprises in daylight while under the cover of darkness, he is the newest leader of the mob, Black Mask. As children, he was Wayne's friend and keeps up a "healthy rivalry" with his old buddy. He appears as a charming and charismatic leader for the rich to do good, outshining Bruce Wayne easily to the point where Wayne Enterprises and his own corporation end up in a buy-out tug of war. As Black Mask, he enlists the aid of Bane, who apparently knows where Bruce Wayne has been during his disappearance, not knowing of Bane's other plans.

The police are hunting Batman down now and they may have a tough time with this as well as filling in the void Batman left in terms of strategics. This is where Riddler fills into the void; Riddler plays himself out as a sort of super-informant who works with the police to trap Batman and fight the mob. However, on the other side, Riddler (under some minor influence from Gordon) is also working as an aid to Batman as well, giving him hints and riddles to help him deal with the police, Bane and Black Mask whenever Batman solves one of his deathtrap-riddles as "good sport". Riddler can be shown becoming more and more sadistic and cruel with his riddles and traps as the movie progresses, showing that he is becoming agitated that there are others capable of defeating his intelligence. Perhaps he starts off with lesser riddles that basic police can solve and ends up as a Jigsaw-like (SAW) being motivated by the inability to stump Batman; his deathtrap riddles becoming more and more deadly and incapable of solution.

Basically, what the next movie should do is "redeem" Batman in the eyes of Gotham City. He doesn't necessarily have to appear as "more good" so much as being "less evil". With Gotham getting a "better class of criminal", they need to rely more and more on vigilantes (like Batman), informants (like Riddler) and others (Roman Sionis and Bruce Wayne). This could also give a chance for Bruce Wayne to "grow up" and take on more responsibility to make himself look better.

 

[David Rice]

There arent really any good villains left that would work in nolans universe besides the riddler

Stop. Just stop.

 

[MaJiN]

(I decided I'd do Bane, with that idea of the myostatin inhibitor)


BANE

Santa Prisca is known for three things: corruption, prisons and medical technology. The three go hand in hand: the corruption of the prisons provides thousands of test subjects for the medical and genetic companies, mostly foreign.

One of the test subjects was a then-teenage boy, known only as Bane, a bright young lad who entered prison at a young age due to his father being unable to pay the bills. Bane and ninety-nine other children were subjected to a test of a new "supersteroid" called only "Venom". The steroid was highly experimental, involving the blocking of the Myostatin-producing gene that regulates muscle growth, followed by a large dose of more conventional steroid muscle-enhancers. Ninety died from the the Venom, nine had only temporary effects, only Bane received the full effects. The once-normal boy became a hulking behemoth, and although he remained in prison, it was clear to all that it was by choice, and that he remained there only because in prison the strongest man ruled. Several years later, however, Bane escaped, and left to go another place where strength and fear ruled: GOTHAM!

I don't think you need an origin for Bane in the Nolanverse. I'd use him as a assassin who is hired by someone like the Penguin who wants to be king of Gotham City. He hires Bane to kill Batman (for snooping in his business and maybe close to shutting him down), Bruce Wane (to eliminate the competition), the mob (again to eliminate competition) and etc.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

I don't think you need an origin for Bane in the Nolanverse. I'd use him as a assassin who is hired by someone like the Penguin who wants to be king of Gotham City. He hires Bane to kill Batman (for snooping in his business and maybe close to shutting him down), Bruce Wane (to eliminate the competition), the mob (again to eliminate competition) and etc.

I definitely wouldn't make him a simple hired muscle, but I agree, he doesn't need an origin. He ought to be handled like Anton from No Country for Old Men, just a mysterious guy who shows up in Gotham.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Matches Malone

Not exactly a villain, but I think it would be cool to see Matches with Bales regular accent. British rather than the Italian-American wiseguy voice

 

[supersteez]

Anybody who thinks Catwoman would be a good idea is an idiot (like someone earlier said, the needed a whole movie to explain why somebody would dress up as a bat and fight crime)

And anybody talking about ridiculous ideas like earthquakes and Bane being a foreign dictator, or Robin.... you're all *****.

Save space for intelligent people to write comments.

This is the NOLANVERSE, not the MICHAELBAYNIVERSE

 

[Gianakin_]

Nice 1st post. I foresee a bright future for you here.

 

[MaJiN]

Catwoman can work in the Nolanverse easily as long as she's as a burglar. Just flush that Tim Burton version down the toilet. She could be the side story that spills over into the main story.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Anybody who thinks Catwoman would be a good idea is an idiot (like someone earlier said, the needed a whole movie to explain why somebody would dress up as a bat and fight crime)

Escalation, everyone is taking their cue from Batman

And anybody talking about ridiculous ideas like earthquakes and Bane being a foreign dictator, or Robin.... you're all *****.

Save space for intelligent people to write comments.

Earthquakes are a natural occurence that have known to cause serious damage. Ironic you challenge peoples intelligence if you didnt know that yourself.

And yes many have gone too far trying to reinterpret characters to fit Nolans vision, but as you can see...

This is the NOLANVERSE, not the MICHAELBAYNIVERSE

...they are not the only ones who take the so called "Nolanverse" too seriously. To me Nolan hasnt dont anything special accept use really legitamite storytelling rather than the trappings of usual comic adaptations. The realism trip has to stop becuase I doubt anyone can make every cell phone in their city into a sonar with the push of the button. Theres suspension of disbelief involved with that.

All the crying that **** wont fit into "Nolanverse" should end. It goes no where and accomplishes nothing.

 

[elgato]

Ok, those guys think catwoman is unrealistic, then I think you also think batman is unrealistic, because, c'mon, it's a COMIC BOOK MOVIE!!! Not a biopic or something like that, if we have a bat dressed crime fighter who jumps between buildings, why can't we have a female cat-burglar who dresses up as a cat?!

 

[David Rice]

Anybody who thinks Catwoman would be a good idea is an idiot (like someone earlier said, the needed a whole movie to explain why somebody would dress up as a bat and fight crime)

And anybody talking about ridiculous ideas like earthquakes and Bane being a foreign dictator, or Robin.... you're all *****.

Save space for intelligent people to write comments.

This is the NOLANVERSE, not the MICHAELBAYNIVERSE

Nice post.

 

[NameIsn'tBuddy]

Cast:
Crispin Glover as the Riddler
Rosario Dawson as Selina Kyle/ Catwoman

The plot centers on a series of murders in Gotham city that are supposedly by the vigilante known as the Batman. In reality it is the Riddler who is setting Batman up to solve the greatest riddle of all, who is the Riddler? The Riddler is a sick narcissistic serial killer who leaves clues carved into his victims. Batman is forced to play his deadly self-absorbed game in order to redeem himself as the guardian of Gotham. Things don’t get any easier when a humble prostitute named Selina Kyle almost becomes the Riddlers newest victim. Selina is forced to seek out the Batman in order to save her life, taking on the mantle of the catwoman. Batman is finally redeemed as Gothams hero when the Riddler is apprehended, but the true nature of D.A. Dent is revealed to the public. The Riddler is also seldom seen, but his traps influence all of the main characters. Did I mention that the Riddler also beats people with his cane?

The Riddler in the Nolanverse should be a blatant plagiarism on the work of Charles Manson. The Riddler will be a well-dressed Uncle Charlie who cuts a question mark into his forehead, instead of a swastika. The character also uses his intellect to convince people to kill themselves.

If Nolan does decide to use the Riddler, all I can say is that the viral marketing games will be insane.

t:

 

[Melkay]

My picks for the villains: Mr. Freeze & Catwoman... you know, Batman is in his darkest place yet at the end of TDK, and he needs someone to project his current conflicts on...

Freeze lost everything and he's now breaking rules just to bring his loved one back (something Bruce would love to have the opportunity to do), but the sci-fi 'cooling' problem makes it complicated to work in this new universe where plausiblility rules.

Patrick Stewart is someone who be great in the part, but you know who would OWN that role? Ben Kingsley. See 'House of Sand and Fog'.

Catwoman, well, is quite obvious. With Rachel out of the picture there is a vacant spot for a love story, and Batman now is completely isolated from the police... to have him have a LOVE-hate relationship with a criminal (someone who doesn't kill, and just breaks the law without harming people) would create a very nice conflict.

About the casting - if Nolan has showed us something about casting and pop culture icon is that it should be unconventional. That's why Angelina Jolie wouldn't work. Of course, someone out there mentioned Tilda Swinton... now that's going TOO far.

So, those two (Freeze and Catwoman), I think, would make the perfect pair of villains to complement the new situation of Batman... and they would help explore a new theme: the ambiguity of Right and Wrong when it comes to crimes that are not fatal to anyone and committed by a loved one (Bruce falling in love for Seline Kyle) or that are fatal but committed to save someone else's life (Victor Fries trying to save his wife Nora who's frozen). That would help to view Batman through the eyes of a society that sees him having a soft arm with criminals for the first time.

What do you think?

 

[NameIsn'tBuddy]

As much as I love how BTAS reinvented the character of Mr. Freeze, I cannot see him in the sequel. I say that if Nolan were to come back, he needs to do something risky and edgy for fans to top TDK. The main villain should be Batman himself. Nolan needs to look at Batman: The Cult and Venom for source material. A drug addicted Batman would be extremely dangerous, but I think Nolan could pull it off spectacularly. Catwoman or the Riddler should just be side villains that act as a catalyst behind Batman’s motivation.

 

[Melkay]

^ I agree. However I wonder why so many people see the Riddler as one of the most probable villains in the sequel. I think the least thing Bats needs right now is someone who pushes him to do some more detective work and just that. Yeah, the virals would be cool, but Begins had no virals at all and was still a terrific film.

Just wonderin'...

 

[Ledlunar]

Cast:
Crispin Glover as the Riddler
Rosario Dawson as Selina Kyle/ Catwoman

The plot centers on a series of murders in Gotham city that are supposedly by the vigilante known as the Batman. In reality it is the Riddler who is setting Batman up to solve the greatest riddle of all, who is the Riddler? The Riddler is a sick narcissistic serial killer who leaves clues carved into his victims. Batman is forced to play his deadly self-absorbed game in order to redeem himself as the guardian of Gotham. Things don’t get any easier when a humble prostitute named Selina Kyle almost becomes the Riddlers newest victim. Selina is forced to seek out the Batman in order to save her life, taking on the mantle of the catwoman. Batman is finally redeemed as Gothams hero when the Riddler is apprehended, but the true nature of D.A. Dent is revealed to the public. The Riddler is also seldom seen, but his traps influence all of the main characters. Did I mention that the Riddler also beats people with his cane?

The Riddler in the Nolanverse should be a blatant plagiarism on the work of Charles Manson. The Riddler will be a well-dressed Uncle Charlie who cuts a question mark into his forehead, instead of a swastika. The character also uses his intellect to convince people to kill themselves.

If Nolan does decide to use the Riddler, all I can say is that the viral marketing games will be insane.

t:

theres nothing good about Crispin Glover he's a nerd and a bad actor... quit bringing him up for every role jeesh

 

[Ledlunar]

Cast:
Crispin Glover as the Riddler
Rosario Dawson as Selina Kyle/ Catwoman

The plot centers on a series of murders in Gotham city that are supposedly by the vigilante known as the Batman. In reality it is the Riddler who is setting Batman up to solve the greatest riddle of all, who is the Riddler? The Riddler is a sick narcissistic serial killer who leaves clues carved into his victims. Batman is forced to play his deadly self-absorbed game in order to redeem himself as the guardian of Gotham. Things don’t get any easier when a humble prostitute named Selina Kyle almost becomes the Riddlers newest victim. Selina is forced to seek out the Batman in order to save her life, taking on the mantle of the catwoman. Batman is finally redeemed as Gothams hero when the Riddler is apprehended, but the true nature of D.A. Dent is revealed to the public. The Riddler is also

seldom seen, but his traps influence all of the main characters. Did I mention that the Riddler also beats people with his cane?

The Riddler in the Nolanverse should be a blatant plagiarism on the work of Charles Manson. The Riddler will be a well-dressed Uncle Charlie who cuts a question mark into his forehead, instead of a swastika. The character also uses his intellect to convince people to kill themselves.

If Nolan does decide to use the Riddler, all I can say is that the viral marketing games will be insane.

t:

f uck if you make the movie msg me so I don't see it

 

[Melkay]

Don't think he could pull off a drug addict Batman though... let's think about all he went through during his training with Ra's Al Ghul. He worked hard to make his spirit strong after his pain made him face terrible choices... but never drugs. That's just not his way to deal with dark places, really.

 

[Ledlunar]

ahahaha yea he should hang up his cape and cowl and dawn and smashing pumpkins hoodie and take drugs!!!

I love that idea

 

[NameIsn'tBuddy]

Just imagine how the press would get a hold of a drug-addict Batman in a new film. The media would go nuts, if not as nuts when Heath died. Nolan on Larry King, Bill O, it would be instant publicity. It’s an aspect of the Dark Knight I would like to see explored in a tasteful manner. Read Batman: Venom and The Cult to get a sense of what it could be like.

:bat: