The Dark Knight Rises Ideas For Incorporating Characters Into the Nolanverse

[Pyro Man]

I wouldn't take much of what NameIsn'tBuddy says seriously. Not only does he seem to believe that if you don't like Miller's stuff but under the miscellaneous Batman films section he has entire thread where he basically insists that must enjoy Batman Forever and Batman and Robin or they are not really fans of the character.

For example this quote:

"No, this is a legitimate problem. Schumacher made two extremely entertaining films. If we as fans of Batman can’t accept even this, then we can’t accept the entire whole of the character. Any film is worth watching, ANY FILM. If anything, maybe these films turned some kids into fans, just like us. And possibly, they even went to a comic store and started to explore that character even more. The movies aren’t the definitive portrayal of the character, that’s why we have comics. I like the Schumacher films because of this, and so should you."

That's absolutely silly. You can't say somebody isn't a fan because they don't enjoy a certain interpretation of the character. I personally love The Dark Knight Returns and Year One but just because somebody else doesn't like it and maybe prefers another story I'm not going to throw a hissy fit and say that they are not a fan.

Also, real books are for communists? Are you kidding me? I like to read comic books more than normal books alot of the time (well, not alot of the current stuff being put out) but that is by far the most absurd thing I have ever heard on this board.

Anyway. Back on topic.

I like the ideas that some people have presented for the Riddler. Like somebody said him being a mysterious figure and we don't know who he is till the end. I really like that idea.

 

[NameIsn'tBuddy]

I wouldn't take much of what NameIsn'tBuddy says seriously. Not only does he seem to believe that if you don't like Miller's stuff but under the miscellaneous Batman films section he has entire thread where he basically insists that must enjoy Batman Forever and Batman and Robin or they are not really fans of the character.

For example this quote:

"No, this is a legitimate problem. Schumacher made two extremely entertaining films. If we as fans of Batman can’t accept even this, then we can’t accept the entire whole of the character. Any film is worth watching, ANY FILM. If anything, maybe these films turned some kids into fans, just like us. And possibly, they even went to a comic store and started to explore that character even more. The movies aren’t the definitive portrayal of the character, that’s why we have comics. I like the Schumacher films because of this, and so should you."

That's absolutely silly. You can't say somebody isn't a fan because they don't enjoy a certain interpretation of the character. I personally love The Dark Knight Returns and Year One but just because somebody else doesn't like it and maybe prefers another story I'm not going to throw a hissy fit and say that they are not a fan.

Also, real books are for communists? Are you kidding me? I like to read comic books more than normal books alot of the time (well, not alot of the current stuff being put out) but that is by far the most absurd thing I have ever heard on this board.

Anyway. Back on topic.

I like the ideas that some people have presented for the Riddler. Like somebody said him being a mysterious figure and we don't know who he is till the end. I really like that idea.

What can I say? I’m a ****e for anything Batman. Comics, movies, TV shows, anything to get my fix.

And reading real books IS an act of communism. Every person I know who sits down and reads literature is a Marxist. Not to mention is probably also pro-union.

As I have said before, everything that you read on this message board by me is unbiased truth. Think of me as a messiah of sorts.

 

[David Rice]

For example this quote:

"No, this is a legitimate problem. Schumacher made two extremely entertaining films. If we as fans of Batman can’t accept even this, then we can’t accept the entire whole of the character. Any film is worth watching, ANY FILM. If anything, maybe these films turned some kids into fans, just like us. And possibly, they even went to a comic store and started to explore that character even more. The movies aren’t the definitive portrayal of the character, that’s why we have comics. I like the Schumacher films because of this, and so should you."

WOW!!!! Talk about not having any real credibility in anything you say.

What can I say? I’m a ****e for anything Batman. Comics, movies, TV shows, anything to get my fix.

And reading real books IS an act of communism. Every person I know who sits down and reads literature is a Marxist. Not to mention is probably also pro-union.

As I have said before, everything that you read on this message board by me is unbiased truth. Think of me as a messiah of sorts.

Thank you, Mr. Adolf Hitler. Are you going to the book burning convention this weekend?

Just how old are you? 14?

 

[NameIsn'tBuddy]

WOW!!!! Talk about not having any real credibility in anything you say.



Thank you, Mr. Adolf Hitler. Are you going to the book burning convention this weekend?

Just how old are you? 14?

Are you insinuating that Hitler was the messiah? I find that extremely offensive, because everyone should know that I'm the real world savior. Just like Uncle Chuck.

I can't dislike you, but I will say this to you: you haven't got long before you are all going to kill yourselves, because you are all crazy. And you can project it back at me ... but I am only what lives inside each and every one of you.

 

[Pyro Man]

What can I say? I’m a ****e for anything Batman. Comics, movies, TV shows, anything to get my fix.

And reading real books IS an act of communism. Every person I know who sits down and reads literature is a Marxist. Not to mention is probably also pro-union.

As I have said before, everything that you read on this message board by me is unbiased truth. Think of me as a messiah of sorts.

Is admiring your unwavering devotion to giving the appearance of being an ignorant c*nt good enough?

 

[NameIsn'tBuddy]

Is admiring your unwavering devotion to giving the appearance of being an ignorant c*nt good enough?

No, but just like MDC I’m sick of being a nobody.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

hahaha you've got to be joking right? its just a wind up surely? lol. if not then i can imagen you're one of those quiet little *****-holes who wouldn't say boo to a goose in real life, but when you're on tha interweb you act like snake plissken. lol funny ****

 

[NameIsn'tBuddy]

hahaha you've got to be joking right? its just a wind up surely? lol. if not then i can imagen you're one of those quiet little *****-holes who wouldn't say boo to a goose in real life, but when you're on tha interweb you act like snake plissken. lol funny ****

Sad story. You got a smoke?

 

[C. Lee]

People....when someone acts like an idiot....do not argue with them, do not call them names....just report them.

 

[David Rice]

People....when someone acts like an idiot....do not argue with them, do not call them names....just report them.

I did that, and thank you sir! t:

 

[Keyser Soze]

So, back on-topic....how about The Black Glove for the villain in part 3?

No?

Wait...why are you running? Come back!

 

[David Rice]

So, back on-topic....how about The Black Glove for the villain in part 3?

No?

Wait...why are you running? Come back!

I'll pass, but thanks.

 

[The Major]

Mr. Freeze update:

They don't have to make him that sci-fi to work. It isn't that unrealistic for freeze guns, either.

They could give him some low tech armor similar to Firefly with a backpack that has nitrogliceren connected to a hose which he uses to freeze people with.
Freeze could make other devices like bombs or killing devices which aren't freeze based, too.

They could explore his almost Jason-like obsession with his dead or injured wife, his addiction to killing things by freezing them, his isolation from society since he never connected to anyone, his loneliness and his genius intelligence.

This was shown beautifully in the special Batman: Mr. Freeze.

 

[Melkay]

Mr. Freeze update:

They don't have to make him that sci-fi to work. It isn't that unrealistic for freeze guns, either.

They could give him some low tech armor similar to Firefly with a backpack that has nitrogliceren connected to a hose which he uses to freeze people with.
Freeze could make other devices like bombs or killing devices which aren't freeze based, too.

They could explore his almost Jason-like obsession with his dead or injured wife, his addiction to killing things by freezing them, his isolation from society since he never connected to anyone, his loneliness and his genius intelligence.

This was shown beautifully in the special Batman: Mr. Freeze.

I completely agree.

Freezing people doesn't have to be an addiction for him. He just needs frozen bodies (or body parts) to experiment on the organs and use them to find a cure for his wife's condition.

I think it's better, since he doesn't have any addictions. He's just very focused and determined, even cold-hearted (except about his wife).

 

[The Major]

I completely agree.

Freezing people doesn't have to be an addiction for him. He just needs frozen bodies (or body parts) to experiment on the organs and use them to find a cure for his wife's condition.

I think it's better, since he doesn't have any addictions. He's just very focused and determined, even cold-hearted (except about his wife).

You mean like an illegal organ harvester?

I like that.

 

[HereToComment27]

That is basically what I said. LOL.

I'm just glad that we agree that Mr. Freeze can work and should be put into this next film.

 

[The Major]

That is basically what I said. LOL.

I'm just glad that we agree that Mr. Freeze can work and should be put into this next film.

I'd like Bane, actually.

But if Freeze makes it I won't complain.

 

[Melkay]

[Posted in several threads.]

I had a strange idea. Read it, please, and tell me if it’s too ridiculous.

What is the thing that Edward Nigma prizes most in the world? Answers. Knowledge. He wants to know every answer to every valuable question out. And as far as valuable go, knowing who Batman is ranks really high. But apart from that, knowledge is the thing that Nigma craves the most. So, what would be one thing from TDK that the Riddler would ambition the most?

The bat-sonar-computer. The thing that would help him locate (and listen to) every gothamite with a cell phone out there, just turning it on.

But Fox destroyed the computer…. Well, if one person besides Fox can fix it again, that should be the Riddler.

And if there’s someone who can get him inside Wayne Enterprises, is a former employee. A former employee that broke inside the building and found the room with the computer that was kept secret. A former employee like Victor Fries.

And maybe Freeze needs the Riddler to crack into the hospitals database and find an organ donor who matches his wife’s blood-type. That donor turns out to be a very elusive cat-burglar. And Freeze needs Riddler to fix the bat-sonar in order to find…. Selina Kyle, a.k.a. Catwoman.

And the least Batman wants is Freeze finding Selina. Or the Riddler getting his hands on that sonar.

I know, it’s a very raw way of combining the three, just wanted to know the idea sounded to others.

 

[The Major]

Dump Selina.

You've got enough of a film without adding her into the mix.

 

[d-roc]

I like the idea of the Riddler being a detective competing with Batman and then eventually becoming a mastermind.

This would tie right into the title of Shadow of the Bat. Batman is now facing the fallout and his own inner demons.

I just don't want to see more than two or possibly three major villains in one story. I definitely don't want to see the Riddler reduced to another version of the joker. He would have to be someone who is extremely intelligent, and always one step ahead of the spider...er bat.

He could discover that Harvey Dent is in fact alive, parading as the Black Mask puppeteering the mob. Meanwhile, Harvey has found that being on the League of Shadows payroll is very profitable and places him in immediate connection with Tahlia Al Ghul, who is now their leader. He can manipulate her as well to take out Batman.

Tahlia is in Gotham to do two things: Avenge her father and destroy Gotham.

What better way for Harvey Dent to make Batman and the Police Department pay for his loss than having the League of Shadows destroy Gotham. The white knight has now become the dark horse!

Also, it would be cool to see everything come to a head as everyone left in the wake of Batman steps out of his shadow.

 

[Melkay]

Dump Selina.

You've got enough of a film without adding her into the mix.

The same could’ve been said about Two-Face in TDK or Scarecrow in BB.

What I find interesting about her is that she has the possibility of talking with Batman and yet appealing to Bruce Wayne. She can crack the emotional barrier given by his mask, his voice, his whole alter ego. And those are the moments when whe wee a fallible human being under that mask (just like when he beated the hel out of the Joker as soon as he mentinoed Rachel). The moments I enjoy Catwoman the most is when she makes Batman doubt about what he really wants. They both should have leading roles, but she should still be a criminal… an outcast like he is, only that she doesn’t respect the Law at all. She finds delight in breaking the Law, and actually believe that she does is the right thing. The movie can greatly benefit from an ambiguous characters like her.

And the effects she provokes in Batman cannot be done by any other character. After adding the Joker, I think the only way to completely depict the basics of the Bat-world is to add Catwoman. Without the ambiguity of Catwoman, I don’t think the Bat-verse will be complete.

 

[Melkay]

I like the idea of the Riddler being a detective competing with Batman and then eventually becoming a mastermind.

This would tie right into the title of Shadow of the Bat. Batman is now facing the fallout and his own inner demons.

I just don't want to see more than two or possibly three major villains in one story. I definitely don't want to see the Riddler reduced to another version of the joker. He would have to be someone who is extremely intelligent, and always one step ahead of the spider...er bat.

What about Bats almost always being a step ahead of Nigma, until Nigma becomes a criminal and then Bats needs to stop him but doesn’t know how?
A lil’ bit of both alternatives. A truly dynamic cat-and-mouse chase. I say this because The Riddlers biggest frustration is that Batman outsmarts him lots of times. This frustration is essential for the character and must be shown.

He could discover that Harvey Dent is in fact alive, parading as the Black Mask puppeteering the mob. Meanwhile, Harvey has found that being on the League of Shadows payroll is very profitable and places him in immediate connection with Tahlia Al Ghul, who is now their leader. He can manipulate her as well to take out Batman.

Tahlia is in Gotham to do two things: Avenge her father and destroy Gotham.

What better way for Harvey Dent to make Batman and the Police Department pay for his loss than having the League of Shadows destroy Gotham. The white knight has now become the dark horse!

Harvey Dent is dead. A thread out there has an article that says the script confirms it. I know it's a loss, but to show him alive is cheating to the audiences. It’s even more likely to see Ra’s again than to see Dent. With Ra’s we never saw a body (and, are his methods supernatural?). With Dent we saw him lying dead. What was he doing, taking a nap? Plus, he only did the things he did to get revenge, but he was on a personal way. We can't see him now robbing banks or getting along with the mob, that's not like him It would take away a great deal of emotional impact to the end of TDK.
And how many mob members do you think that would agree to work under the guy who convicted so many of them?
No, Dent is not alive.

I don’t like Thalia as a character, not even in the comics, and not even one bit. I mean, not in the level of Robin because… well, she’s hot. But I find her extremely corny and she makes Ra’s much more un-menacing. She wasn’t even mentioned in BB, so it’s a little forced to bring her now, out-of-the-blue, two movies after. And it’s not the best idea to bring a female character without using Catwoman.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

i like the idea that edward nigma is on a taskforce from a government agency who is charged with finding the identity of the batman. he could be like the number one code cracker or something like that. i don't think he should start off as the riddler, but the more and more obsessed with the case and batman he gets he could slowly starts to sink into madness aswell. then he could start killing anyone who gets in the way of his investigation, or who he believes knows who batman is. thus luring batman into investigating him. leaving riddles at each crime scene alluding to whos next or something along those lines. it could prove to be a good battle of wits. The Riddler trying to find out who Batman is, and then Batman trying to find out who The Riddler is.

 

[Evelisse]

I like the idea of Riddler being his own form of twisted vigilante, who sets up death traps with riddles but only against criminals and corrupt.


Along the lines of...

 

[The Demon's Head]

Catwoman- Make her a dark mirror of Batman instead of a jewel thief. A costumed vigilante known as "The Cat", who is out for revenge against the Mob.