The Dark Knight Rises Ideas For Incorporating Characters Into the Nolanverse

[gwynplaine]

see he cwork it just took enough effort to say so

but what do you think of my idea a rogue league of shadows member who tries helping bats but goes so far as to torture innocent people to find out anyhting on a criminal.

I like it, like an extreme version of Batman without the moral compass. Good idea.

 

[ScarecrowMan666]

But after the kind of terror The Joker instilled in The Dark Knight, to have some guy come in and start stealing identities and making people solve complex riddles would be a step down. It wouldn't be as entertaining, and he wouldn't truly be a real menace. He would never be able to be the main villain in the movie with motives like that. Now if they were to make him more sinister, then maybe. But If not, Riddler would be another villain very much like Scarecrow, as bad as it pains me to compare the two. Scarecrow can most definitely be menacing and sinister, if Nolan would let him be as such, instead of using him as a throw away villain.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Its just completely different terror. Everyones a step down from the Joker!

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea no one can live up to the Joker. That doesn't mean another villain can't be brilliant, it just means they have to be a different kind of brilliant. If you see what I'm saying!?!?

 

[sabetoonth]

thanks i do after school clean up at the Prosser papa tuds and so i have plenty of time to think. and it actually started with a customm action figure i plan to do in with a movie masters figure with the eye and mouth parts of whatever mm bats i could my hands on.

 

[Cunning Stunts]

1. Black Mask: Along with Rachel, Bruce knew Roman Sionis when he was a kid.

This is the last thing I want to see in these movies... Crappy retcons like this. It's partially what made Hush so weak at first for me- the fact that he was just tossed into Bruce's childhood, despite that there'd been no recollection of him for the past 70 years. This is not the way to go about introducing a character.

 

[Killing Joke926]

For awhile now I've been experimenting and rewriting some concepts on my Nolanized version of the Creeper. And in this world I'll have Jack Ryder be kind of the Mike Engel for Gotham News and at one point is captured and held captive by Johnathan Crane (and in his personal experiments a.k.a. the ScareCrow); and with that he'd go over and pull a few experiments on him at Arkham Asylum as an inmate and from a personal perspective I'll kinda give him an origin based off the Killing Joke and kind of a prisoner in the Holocaust feel like Evey and Valerie in V For Vendetta....... or at least to some extent. I'm still scoping that part out. Anywho, this would be set around the time where Crane was also was experimenting on Killer Croc; and kinda like Croc, not physical though, Pre-Creeper will sort of have an evolution in the mind and will be a completely different person once the time comes as he escapes Arkham during the breakout in Begins. (LOL with wild hair and ripped up clothes he'll kinda look like a drugged up Sid Vicious with just a tiny bit of a Charles Manson look) Like I said I'm still working on the whole very rough concept and not everything's set in stone, but I'm kinda giving him a big face lift so I can have him modified to Nolan's world, yet at the same time somewhat stay true to his origins and familiar capabilities from TAS. TEOL I dunno, I'm having a ball with it all just thinkin' up such a thing.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

They could make Roman Sionis work as someone personal to Bruce by making him a rival billionaire businessman or something. So he could be a enemy to Batman (as Black Mask) and to Bruce (as Roman Sionis).

 

[Ronny Shade]

Yea no one can live up to the Joker. That doesn't mean another villain can't be brilliant, it just means they have to be a different kind of brilliant. If you see what I'm saying!?!?

Which is why we need Bane.

 

[ThePoisonPuppet]

The problem is people keeping wanting to introduce new villains in the random way the Joker came in. There needs to be a clear pretext for them to come in. That is why if I did The Riddler, he would be working with the cops in at least the beginning, and maybe with another villain, like Black Mask behind the scenes.

 

[Killing Joke926]

For awhile now I've been experimenting and rewriting some concepts on my Nolanized version of the Creeper. And in this world I'll have Jack Ryder be kind of the Mike Engel for Gotham News and at one point is captured and held captive by Johnathan Crane (and in his personal experiments a.k.a. the ScareCrow); and with that he'd go over and pull a few experiments on him at Arkham Asylum as an inmate and from a personal perspective I'll kinda give him an origin based off the Killing Joke and kind of a prisoner in the Holocaust feel like Evey and Valerie in V For Vendetta....... or at least to some extent. I'm still scoping that part out; it will also lean amoung the grounds of that whole exaggeration in Arkham and essence of fear that was set in Begins and more than likely have a Grant Morrison feel. Anyway, this would be set around the time where Crane was also continuing experiments on Killer Croc and bringing in Zsaz after his court case testifying for insanity; and kinda like Croc, not physical though, Pre-Creeper will sort of have an evolution or moreover a mutation of the mind and will be a completely different person once the time comes as he escapes Arkham during the breakout in Begins. (LOL with wild hair and ripped up clothes he'll kinda look like a drugged up Sid Vicious with just a tiny bit of a Charles Manson look) Like I said I'm still working on the whole very rough concept and not everything's set in stone, but I'm kinda giving him a big face lift so I can have him modified to Nolan's world, yet at the same time somewhat stay true to his origins and familiar capabilities from TAS.

 

[sabetoonth]

i like the way you taking the character,i preffer a croc thats somewere on these boards as a street king of sorts, but the creeper would be very interesting in nolans world, got any concept art?

 

[sv2]

You won't get them without Nolan completely changing what makes them them. No way in hell we'll ever get Clayface in a Nolan movie.

Nolan will make Clayface for his universe so he wears sandy makeup over his skin, and uses props to create the illusion of shape-shifting.

 

[geomon]

Putting Clayface in the Nolanverse is easy. Just take him back to his Golden Age origins and make him a disgruntled actor who is a master of disguises.

 

[CaptainClown]

Putting Clayface in the Nolanverse is easy. Just take him back to his Golden Age origins and make him a disgruntled actor who is a master of disguises.

word, not really hard to do.

 

[p4poetic]

Characters like clayface are too supernatural to be put in Nolan's Batman films. JMO.

 

[Jordacar]

The thing about Clayface is, a lot of the people who'd like to see him in this series would like to see this one:

I know that's what I want, not Batman chasing down some disfigured actor.
Otherwise, why even bother with Clayface?

 

[[A]]

Clayface, yeah.. they already went far with Two-Face.. I don't see it happening twice (in a row, at least)

 

[gwynplaine]

How about Two-Clayface ?

 

[[A]]

 

[Killing Joke926]

Putting Clayface in the Nolanverse is easy. Just take him back to his Golden Age origins and make him a disgruntled actor who is a master of disguises.

True; although I'm gonna have to pass on that one only because it's already been done.

 

[Easily_Amused]

I think this would be interesting...

Fresh from the Narrows is an escapee from Arkham... Victor Zsasz. He is your basic insane serial killer that nobody seems to catch. (Keep the victim tally cuts in his skin. It shows his mind is not all there and adds an unnerving sense to his presence onscreen.)

As we all know, the Batman is now viewed as an enemy of Gotham. As such it would be easier for the public to pin horrific crimes on him, especially if goaded by the media. Which is exactly what happens.

The Gotham Police Department, however, do not believe this and hire someone for the express purpose of catching the murderer. A genius and socially awkward semi-recluse (who overdoes his personality around people because he thinks it makes him appear "normal") by the name of Edward Nigma. He specializes in reading clues left behind by criminals and by manipulating them into making mistakes that let them be caught. He is also the kind of genius that is just barely this side of Ted Kaczynski crazy and says for fun that his nom de plume is "The Riddler".

Commissioner Gordon doesn't trust him though and privately asks the World's Greatest Detective to find and apprehend the killer.

Here I can see it going one of two ways:

1. The Riddler shows up at a recent murder victim at the same time Batman does. He then starts to lose his already weak grip on reality. He begins to believe the mass media hype and decides he has to now focus on catching Batman at any cost.

2. Batman catches Mr. Zsasz before the Riddler does. This is an affront to his genius and it's just enough to push him over the edge and consider Batman his nemesis. (I personally like this one better.)

Either way, unbeknownst to the Gotham Police Department, the Riddler starts planning and carrying out various (and continually escalating) crimes to get Batman's attention. At each crime scene there are riddles and clues left for Batman to figure out and lure him to different destinations to finally stop him.

I'm not sure how it all ends, but this is the basic outline of a story.

Your thoughts?

 

[Easily_Amused]

I just wrote this up on a different thread but it's applicable here too. I think it would let us see the detective side of Batman that has never truly been explored:


I think this would be interesting...

Fresh from the Narrows is an escapee from Arkham... Victor Zsasz. He is your basic insane serial killer that nobody seems to catch. (Keep the victim tally cuts in his skin. It shows his mind is not all there and adds an unnerving sense to his presence onscreen.)

As we all know, the Batman is now viewed as an enemy of Gotham. As such it would be easier for the public to pin horrific crimes on him, especially if goaded by the media. Which is exactly what happens.

The Gotham Police Department, however, do not believe this and hire someone for the express purpose of catching the murderer. A genius and socially awkward semi-recluse (who overdoes his personality around people because he thinks it makes him appear "normal") by the name of Edward Nigma. He specializes in reading clues left behind by criminals and by manipulating them into making mistakes that let them be caught. He is also the kind of genius that is just barely this side of Ted Kaczynski crazy and says for fun that his nom de plume is "The Riddler".

Commissioner Gordon doesn't trust him though and privately asks the World's Greatest Detective to find and apprehend the killer.

Here I can see it going one of two ways:

1. The Riddler shows up at a recent murder victim at the same time Batman does. He then starts to lose his already weak grip on reality. He begins to believe the mass media hype and decides he has to now focus on catching Batman at any cost.

2. Batman catches Mr. Zsasz before the Riddler does. This is an affront to his genius and it's just enough to push him over the edge and consider Batman his nemesis. (I personally like this one better.)

Either way, unbeknownst to the Gotham Police Department, the Riddler starts planning and carrying out various (and continually escalating) crimes to get Batman's attention. At each crime scene there are riddles and clues left for Batman to figure out and lure him to different destinations to finally stop him.

I'm not sure how it all ends, but this is the basic outline of a story.

Your thoughts?

 

[Boom]

I'd like either Riddler or Bane, preferably the former. Both are interesting and "realistic" enough to be faithfully adapted to Nolan's universe.

 

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i had a rough idea for penguin lasterday


penguin hands were badly burned in a past accident and as a result his pinky, ring, and middle finger are "welded" together. He is just a big crime lord who has a bird in his office.

nothing special could be just a random crime lord Batman beats up.