I don't think that really think a Bane would serve well as "Batman who isn't careful". Bane also has been a man who thinks on his own which is what made him stand out from just a simple strong goon. Bane needs to be proven a threat and act like a chess player. THe way he defeats Batman is by wearing him down so if anything he would represent Batmans kind of prep-time and the person who is in control. He would be the guy who has eyes on Batman all the time and not make a huge point about the venom he uses.
I wasn't saying he is the uncareful batman. I was saying if Bruce doesn't keep on his toes he could accidentally go the rought Bane went. Bane, in my head would be a pulling the strings type of villain. I just didn't make that clear I guess, or forgot to include it. He hunts, stalks, Batman. He isn't just a bruiser.
I agree he should be narcissistic but I think doing so he isn't quite a threat to Batman. How I think this could be improves is that if he doesn't create challenges set for Batman he just does it for everyone. What would drive him crazy is that someone is actually solving his riddles. Especially if Batman mocks his riddles by announcing the answer and how easy it is. Riddler should also have a money/boredom motive for his crimes which might lead into him trying to best Batman.
I think it would start out as Riddler sending clues to the Gothem PD, but then once Batman gets involved and catches the Riddler's attention there is no other apponant. I see this movie being the movie that shows what a great detetive Batman is. He isn't just a guy who attacks villains, he detects, plans, uses his mind. And I think its somewhat, perhaps, realistic to have Nigma suddenly just focus on Batman. Turn all his attention on this one guy who seems to match his intellect.
All that seems changed to make her "nolanized" is that you made her think she is mother earth and her plants don't attack. I think simply making her think she is Mother Earth makes it much like comic book. I think if you really wanted to encorporate her into a film you should have her almost as an almost unnoticable character who is slightly pulling the strings between different groups. She could even poison one or two people for corporate gain which in turn might be something eco related. Note I am not putting much thought into this as there are many holes but eh oh well.
My idea is that she isn't a woman who makes monster plants, or is imune to every poison. She isn't superhuman in anyway. I never worked out a plot idea for her. Just that she is a regular human woman, insanely brilliant genious in biology, and suffers from severe mental illnesses. She bioengeneers plants to be poisoness and engereers strong poisons, like the plant in Batman begins.
Ivy is almost already Nolanized, I just took out the part that made her comicbook I thought.
I can live with this, that is how I like to think of Catwoman. Someone who does it all for the thrill. She probably dawns a cat guise just cause its "fun".
I liked this too, I don't remember if I got it from the documentry or if I made it up. But they tried to equate most of his villains to a mirror of himself. So that seemed to work. She is like a mirror of Batman, if he started using the Batman for fun (thrillseeking).
I agree, it wouldn't take much explaining either. She saw Batman, and put on a costume too for fun.
Nope, just keep her out. If you don't have Joker you can't have Harley. Even though harley sucks even with Joker.
I got the idea from Batman Beyond, all those Jokers running around. How? My thinking was that Joker maybe got to people through the internet. My thinking is that, even locked up in maximum security the Joker is a danger to everyone at all times. Even is own doctors aren't safe. I agree though that without him there should be no her. I just had an idea about how she could work and posted it.
Sounds typical, I think I would want him to be the "freak" mobster as the rise of the new type comes out. Make the term penguin as a mocking term of him being the bird man of a prison as well as something he hates being called as well as him actually being influential in trying to corrupt Gothams politicians again. I also mean freak mobster as he is a mob group that employs the freaks.
(This is how the documentary approached his character, and they interviewed writers like Denny O'Neil and actual psychiatrists. So this idea which wasn't really mine came from that and it sounded official and realistic. It sounded very Nolanized.
I also got the Nightclub idea from Batman the animated series. Timm had the Penguin go legit but not really. It would work, not all villains are out of sight, some are very public and work in plain sight.
Alex Ross also had the Penguin working in the nightclub but secretly still connected to crime. (It was in War on Crime.) I just don't see Penguin being a mutant or a freak.
Sounds more like a drama when you do that. Nothing particular stands out. If anything, Talia shouldn't even be a villain. Maybe a character who tries and pull him from his path to take on the mantle of Rahs as he has "proven" he will do what it takes for justice. She would have him question if his mission would be better served as the head of the league of shadows to finally rid the city of crime, especially the likes of Penguin who has manipulated the system again.
I'll think up some more later.
People keep talking about Talia showing up in a Nolan Batman. So I took a shot.
I personally like your idea about trying to get Batman to join her as the League's new leader (although Ras already tried to do it). I like the idea that Bruce questions his path and how his War on Crime could best be waged. But again it might be too similar to the Begins storyline. But I like your idea better than the revenge idea.
But I still like my idea of her using her father's mantel to make it seem like he is alive still and sort of using the comic's Lazarus Pit without really using it.
I like my ideas, But I know they aren't perfect. Not saying my ideas are the best either.
