The Dark Knight Rises Ideas For Incorporating Characters Into the Nolanverse

[Marginal Man]

rain wilson. mad hatter. kiddie toucher.

 

[Texas Zombie]

The joker killed a man and video taped his final moments, and he had a plot to kill a bunch of people, the media made him a villain and people rarely go against the media.

 

[Tex]

Tookie Williams helped form one of the most dangerous gangs in the United States, yet he made a complete heel-face turn while he was in prison. The same could happen with the Joker.

And the number of people that would see the Joker as some form of hero wouldn't be the general populace. They would be the people desperate for some hero that previously looked to the Batman. But after the Batman is declared a dangerous criminal after he supposedly killed Harvey Dent, some of these desperate people would find some way to justify the Joker's actions and actually believe that his view of Gotham's officials was correct. Having the Joker killed by prison guards would have an almost Rodney King-like effect on these people.

you either go muslim/say youve found god or say youve turned around so you can try to get out of jail. thats all tookie did. dont act like he became a saint. what effect did rodney king have on people? other then people destroying a city.

 

[General_Obol]

you either go muslim/say youve found god or say youve turned around so you can try to get out of jail. thats all tookie did. dont act like he became a saint. what effect did rodney king have on people? other then people destroying a city.

I'm not saying he was a saint, people just started loving him once he was in prison. I personally can't stand the fact that people think he's some kind of hero.

 

[ronny]

If they include the Mafia in the third film I would love to see the Penguin starting his career there.
Fat little Oswald Cobblepot, driving around the gangsters before he makes a grab for power himself. I think the story of his rise to power would actually make a great comic. Not enough for Nolan's first film. But showing him in the first stages of his career would be a great nod to what will happen in the future.

 

[COMPO]

I wonder what mob boss they can use next? Or if they'll make one up?

 

[General_Obol]

If they include the Mafia in the third film I would love to see the Penguin starting his career there.
Fat little Oswald Cobblepot, driving around the gangsters before he makes a grab for power himself. I think the story of his rise to power would actually make a great comic. Not enough for Nolan's first film. But showing him in the first stages of his career would be a great nod to what will happen in the future.

I would too, but unfortunately, Nolan's essentially ruled out the Penguin as being in his continuity. Don't know why he thinks the squat little man is too difficult to portray.

I wonder what mob boss they can use next? Or if they'll make one up?

Well there's a bunch. Roman Sionis/The Black Mask seems to be the fa favorite on these boards, but a lot of people are also pulling for The Penguin or Rupert Thorne. They could use any of the other mob bosses from the comics, like Lew Moxon, Tony Zucco, the Squid, or possibly even Roland Daggett. They could always make one up. I liked Jack Palance as Carl Grissom and Christopher Walken as Max Shreck in Burton's movies.

 

[ronny]

I would too, but unfortunately, Nolan's essentially ruled out the Penguin as being in his continuity. Don't know why he thinks the squat little man is too difficult to portray.

That's a real shame. Because The Penguin could be great. I just love the idea of this fat little man starting out as a nobody. A low level driver or hitman, who gets ridiculed by the higher-ups.
But in the end everyone becomes terrified of him because he rises to a posistion of power and is so utterly ruthless. And, the most unsettling thing, is that no one expected it. There was an order, the old Mafia would always keep control. But the chaos Dent and The Joker caused left the door open for a new breed of mobster that no one ever imagined.
The problem is his costume, a top hat and monocle are stupid. They really are.
But they don't have to use them, right? Cobblepot is a character marked out by his aristocratic aspirations, he wants to be something more than he is. He's got an obsession with birds. He uses trick umbrellas.
He could be done brilliantly.

 

[General_Obol]

That's a real shame. Because The Penguin could be great. I just love the idea of this fat little man starting out as a nobody. A low level driver or hitman, who gets ridiculed by the higher-ups.
But in the end everyone becomes terrified of him because he rises to a posistion of power and is so utterly ruthless.
The problem is his costume, a top hat and monocle are stupid. They really are.
But they don't have to use them, right? Cobblepot is a character marked out by his aristocratic aspirations, he wants to be something more than he is. He's got an obsession with birds. He uses trick umbrellas.
He could be done brilliantly.

There's definitely a way to make him realistic. Cut the fascination with birds. Make "the Penguin" his mob name, like how Al Capone had "Scarface" and Maroni was "the Roman" in the comics. He could be an arms dealer, and the umbrella could just be a weapon he wipped up. He could run the Iceberg Lounge as a high-society club and to be a front for his operations, which also explains his dress.

 

[Texas Zombie]

In the comics he was a collector of fine things, a few rare birds could be just a nice touch.

 

[General_Obol]

In the comics he was a collector of fine things, a few rare birds could be just a nice touch.

As long as he doesn't strap a bomb to any of them.

 

[Texas Zombie]

As long as he doesn't strap a bomb to any of them.

lol, mainly expensive rare ones would work nice.

It would be great if he hated when people called him penguin, like the bank robber baby Face

 

[COMPO]

or mad dog from Back to the Future, and there could be a moment like in BTTF3 where the room goes quite and everyone backs up when he calls him Penguin.

 

[Fresh Prince]

If they can do Mr. Freeze right I love him to be the main villian in Batman 3. And have his freeze gun too.

 

[COMPO]

bit early for freeze and I just can't see him in the next film considering whats to come//

 

[Texas Zombie]

I can't picture freeze at all and I like them mad dog idea.
I'd love for an associate to call him penguin and get blow away.

 

[COMPO]

Kind of like a Goodfellas moment where the Penguin is pissing with him then goes to leave the room and just shoots him.

 

[Fresh Prince]

bit early for freeze and I just can't see him in the next film considering whats to come//

Well whats the problem with it?

 

[Fresh Prince]

I can't picture freeze at all and I like them mad dog idea.
I'd love for an associate to call him penguin and get blow away.

Freeze can work if done right.

 

[General_Obol]

Freeze can work if done right.

And he is probably the only one in Batman's Rogues Gallery that can come close to the tragedy we saw in Harvey Dent in TDK.

 

[COMPO]

There's no problem with Freeze I think he's a great character but I don't know I think at this minute in time I'd like to see Riddler or Penguin.

 

[Fresh Prince]

And he is probably the only one in Batman's Rogues Gallery that can come close to the tragedy we saw in Harvey Dent in TDK.

Agreed.

 

[Fresh Prince]

There's no problem with Freeze I think he's a great character but I don't know I think at this minute in time I'd like to see Riddler or Penguin.

Freeze a better villian then both of them plus Penguin can be a minor villian like Scarecrow was in Begins. Penguin can be an arms dealer who sells weapons and stuff.

 

[General_Obol]

Freeze a better villian then both of them plus Penguin can be a minor villian like Scarecrow was in Begins. Penguin can be an arms dealer who sells weapons and stuff.

Indeed. I wrote my own little Batman 3 about a year ago that actually combined the two. There's a gang war in Gotham, with two sides vying for dominance in the wake of Sal Maroni's death. On one side, there's Roman Sionis, Maroni's true successor as head of the Gotham underworld. On the other, there's up-and-coming crime boss Rupert Thorne. Sionis should have the upper hand, as he has the numerical and financial advantage over Thorne, but Thorne outguns Sionis at every turn because he's being supplied high-tech weaponry from someone known only as the Penguin. To compete with Thorne and the Penguin, Sionis hires Dr. Victor Fries, who was recently fired as head of the R&D dept. at Wayne Enterprises after it was found he was embezzling millions from the company so he could keep his wife alive in a sort of cryo-preserving tube. So the deal is this: Fries develops weapons for Sionis, and Sionis in return funds the cryo-preserver for Fries and his wife. While working for Sionis, Fries continues work on what he was working on at Wayne Enterprises, a new stun gun for Gotham Police that would utilize extreme cold rather than electricity (think of it as extremely cold pepper spray), as well as a suit of battle armor that can withstand some of Thorne's deadliest weapons. Sionis, displeased with the prototype, cuts Fries' funding and leaves him high and dry. Helpless to do anything but watch his wife slowly die without the cryo-preserver, Fries dons the battle armor and takes up the stun gun and goes out to get revenge on the two people responsible for his wife's death - Roman Sionis and Bruce Wayne (in this, Sionis would be brutally scarred from one of Fries' attacks, forcing him to don a mask to cover them up, tying in Fries with the Black Mask's origin and also a reference to the Great White Shark).

However, I admit this was pretty childish in that it might sound good depending on who you are, but more than likely not going to happen in the next Batman movie.

 

[COMPO]

From what I can imagine them doing in the next film I can't see Freeze fitting in, I mean the Riddler would be more of a threat since he could go against Batman's conspiracy and try to ruin everything.