Independence Day 2?

[Dark Raven]

It's a shame Will Smith can't even cameo in this movie. I don't think they need to write his character out though. In the Jurassic Park series, not all of them play in each movie. I think Jeff Goldblum is in one and Sam Neil in another, and then both in the third one or something like that.

I wonder how well it will do and if it will do Jurassic World numbers.

What's happened to Mary McDonnell?

 

[Micromind]

^ I was Just thinking how great it would be if both Sam Neil and Jeff Goldblum could return to Jurassic Park franchise in the next movie, even if it is just a guest role.

 

[MadVillainy]

It's a shame Will Smith can't even cameo in this movie. I don't think they need to write his character out though. In the Jurassic Park series, not all of them play in each movie. I think Jeff Goldblum is in one and Sam Neil in another, and then both in the third one or something like that.

I wonder how well it will do and if it will do Jurassic World numbers.

What's happened to Mary McDonnell?

I don't think they need to write him out as in dying, but I think they should at least need to write a mention about what's happened to him. Especially considering how big Will Smith was/is

 

[Micromind]

I thought that Smith would be interested in the sequel, maybe they have waited too long to make one.

 

[MadVillainy]

Someone posted in a thread how Will Smith was saying he doesn't care about box office glory anymore since After Earth flopped around the same time that his dad was diagnosed with cancer or some other sickness. Smith said it, understandably put things in perspective for him.

With him doing things like Suicide Squad (first time he plays a villain) he seems to be at least starting to move into a different direction with his career. ANd Im very glad he's doing that.

Maybe IDR just doesn't fit where he wants to go

 

[Dark Raven]

The thing about not having Will Smith is that he would have been considered the main star of the 1996 film. Not having him now is like having Star Wars without Luke Skywalker.

Back in the first film, there wasn't the internet. It was just at the dawn of the internet revolution at the time. It will definitely be different now.

Are they going to acknowledge 9/11 in the film? Or does that seem like small fry compared to the alien attacks which must have killed hundreds of thousands more and seen many more landmarks devastated?

Also, why couldn't they actually get Mae Whitman back as Patricia Whitmore, instead of replacing her with Maika Monroe? It would've been cool to actually use the originally actress whom we see now all grown up. She is only 27 as well.

 

[MadVillainy]

I don't think 9/11 would've happened in the film's universe.

But that's just me guessing

 

[Lencho01]

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[Pink Ranger]

I don't think 9/11 would've happened in the film's universe.

But that's just me guessing

Terrorists flying a plane into America's only landmark left standing (the St. Louis Arch) probably wouldn't have the same sociopolitical impact.

 

[StarLord]

What's happened to Mary McDonnell?

Her character died.

 

[Dark Raven]

Her character died.

Ok. My mistake. I'm thinking of Jeff Goldblum's love interest actually. Margaret Collin.

 

[Dark Raven]

Terrorists flying a plane into America's only landmark left standing (the St. Louis Arch) probably wouldn't have the same sociopolitical impact.

Were the Statue of Liberty and Empire State Building destroyed in the first film? What about the World Trade Center?

I think 9/11 was probably partly responsible for why no-one wanted to make a sequel so soon after. It was only 5 years after the first movie and affected so many people. They probably wouldn't have responded well to all this devastation. It has taken years for the wounds to even begin to heal.

 

[Octoberist]

That's a good theory, Dark Raven.

I know that there were two 9/11 movies that came out (2006) but they were both about 9/11. Anything that trivialized it would be highlighted. To quote a cliche of a meme, it was 'too soon'.

Though I think superhero movies (Avengers, maybe Dark Knight in theme mostly. Not destruction.) and the Transformers films (at least the third one) came out, there was enough time to set it apart from the realities of 9/11.

 

[Octoberist]

Even the Dark Knight poster (with the burning Bat logo) and plot points in the film (cellphone surveillance) were controversial.

 

[MadVillainy]

I mean the 9/11 comparisons and call outs still happen. Look at Man of Steel although I think people who complained about that were kinda full of it.

 

[Gold Samurai]

I don't think anyone complained when Tony stark leveled a building and the Hulk saw all these people covered in dust walking around in confusion

 

[Lencho01]

I don't think anyone complained when Tony stark leveled a building and the Hulk saw all these people covered in dust walking around in confusion

Because they made it a point to have Tony check if anyone was actually in the building. Also, it wasn't a complete building. So, maybe it lead to people not making the same connections.

 

[MadVillainy]

I still think the whole complaints about the destruction in movies to be stupid.

My only problem is if they ignore it and pretend that it's a happy ending afterward

 

[chamber-music]

The real question is have the aliens updated their software so they can't receive viruses from Mac Powerbooks?

 

[Dark Raven]

I think the superhero genre has paved the way for audiences to be ready for Independence Day 2. No-one was making this kind of movie after 9/11. Any films that did have similar themes at the time were probably either reshuffled or canned completely, or heavily edited. The twin towers helicopter sequence in Spider-Man were removed entirely.

Just imagine though if Avengers #1 had been filmed and something like 9/11 occurred. That film wouldn't have ever done the box office numbers it did with the whole battle of NY sequence. Same with Man of Steel (which wasn't anywhere near the success of Avengers).

Part of the fun of the first Independence Day was seeing which landmark was going to be destroyed. No-one was wanting to see that in the wake of 9/11. I don't know if people are in that kind of mood to see them obliterated now. I'm not even sure which landmarks even survive in the ID4 universe, especially since other movies have destroyed other landmarks, and they all blur into one now. I'm pretty sure in one of these movies the Eiffel Tower was destroyed but I don't recall it was Independence Day.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Were the Statue of Liberty and Empire State Building destroyed in the first film? What about the World Trade Center?

I think 9/11 was probably partly responsible for why no-one wanted to make a sequel so soon after. It was only 5 years after the first movie and affected so many people. They probably wouldn't have responded well to all this devastation. It has taken years for the wounds to even begin to heal.

New York City was basically engulfed in fire in the movie, I'd say it's almost certain the city is levelled.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

New cast, returning cast and everyone:

 

[Dark Raven]

I am a little disappointed in the missed opportunity to use Mae Whitman instead of Maika Monroe. She's probably not attractive enough for them though. They should've thought about the casting in the first place back then instead of just casting any little girl who seemed cute at the time.

 

[Octoberist]

If it matters, the actor who played Will Smith's step-son didn't return, probably for the same reasons.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Is Pullman going to be rocking that awesome beard in this?

Also I confess I thought Judd Hirsch had passed away a few years back. Guess not!