Interstellar - Part 4

[slumcat]

It's a two-way street though. I don't enjoy being painted with a broad brush as much as you don't like feeling pressured to "conform". Nor do I enjoy the implication that I like something only because it's pandering to me or that I haven't watched enough obscure films to appreciate true cinema...which is an argument I've seen you make before.

If you value restraint over everything and dislike twists, fine. Great. We all have different tastes. When you essentially imply that fans of a certain thing are tasteless sheep, that's when you run into conflict with folks like me who don't take well to that kind of attitude.

It would be disingenuous to ignore that there exists a crowd of people who all share their views, almost programmatically so. It is kinda the zenith of shared experiences, people have even began sharing opinions, having one generalized homogenized perspective to present to the world. The rise of media interaction has surprisingly not created individual voices but a chorus that expresses delight in consensual unision. That such a faction exists is readily demonstrated by the increasingly militant ways in which Hollywood studios try to mine money out of them.

I pointed out that film-makers might be pandering to such a faction, it was you on your own who chose to identify yourself as a member of such a faction and even to represent them. Any association with them was your own doing mate so if association with them offends you, you might have offended yourself.

As for personal preferences, aren't those the foibles of the human mind. They can be understood if articulately expressed and tolerantly considered but even then can only be tangentially comprehended. What can be understood is that they are invaluable and as necessary today as they were before.

 

[redhawk23]

Slumcat you keep talking about how these movies are pandering to certain groups by making use of certain techniques but several of the well loved films you gave examples of, Shawshank Redemption in particular don't actually have twist endings.

You yourself are part of of a self important contrarian mass trying to set yourself above everyone else even while not having a clue what you are talking about. People who do so are a dime a dozen even as they think of themselves as the lone individuals fighting off the general audience zombies.

Give it up man.

 

[green]

The greatest twist endings to me are ones that make you go back through everything you've already seen in the film and it makes pieces fall into place.

The Usual Suspects. IMO best twist ever.

 

[redhawk23]

Exactly. There are bad twists that simply try to invalidate everything that came before but for the best ones, the twist is actually the only way they really make sense to begin with.

Wild Things does the complete opposite, where its twists are so nonsensical that it renders the rest of the film ridiculous, but then it just piles on more and more twists to the point where it becomes entertainingly hilarious.

 

[redhawk23]

So hey, how 'bout that Interstellar?

 

[green]

How bout it? Still not excited. The trailers have done zero for me and everyone Ive talked to outside of internet Nolan fan boys find the trailer to be a big yawn.
Im hoping the next trailer and the marketing really ramp up the interest.

 

[redhawk23]

I'm interested to see Nolan take on some more Spielbergy material. I'm actually quite glad Speilberg himself moved on from the project as for him this kind of movie is old hat where for Nolan it actually poses a bit of a challenge or at least new ground.

Does the film specify what year it takes place in? I hope they keep it vague. I don't really mind when speculative fiction films specify a year but my girlfriend absolutely hates it.

 

[BatLobster]

Slumcat you keep talking about how these movies are pandering to certain groups by making use of certain techniques but several of the well loved films you gave examples of, Shawshank Redemption in particular don't actually have twist endings.

You yourself are part of of a self important contrarian mass trying to set yourself above everyone else even while not having a clue what you are talking about. People who do so are a dime a dozen even as they think of themselves as the lone individuals fighting off the general audience zombies.

Give it up man.

Well said.

slumcat- knowing that there are some like-minded people on the boards is not the same at all as being part of some sort of Kool-Aid drinking cult that has to come to a consensus on everything. I identified myself merely as someone who is getting annoyed by your attitude, of which there are plenty in this thread alone. Nothing more.

As for Interstellar...I'm excited more by the thought of what I haven't seen than by what I have seen. Although I thought Trailer 2 packed some nice emotional punch that makes me think this movie will have some mass appeal outside of hardcore sci-fi fans. We shall see.

 

[kvz5]

IMO Spoilers are useless if they're not executed properly anyway. Personally, I've never been affected (so far) with knowing a spoiler. For example, there's this script that I just read (no director and actors attached yet but Legendary bought the rights) that has a twist that I obviously know now but knowing it just amped my excitement to see it onscreen. I don't think I would give a damn about that progress of that spec if I didn't read the script beforehand. But that's just me. I actually think that for some movies, knowing the twist beforehand helps because you will most likely pay attention to the clues because you know some things already. I will concede though that there are some movies as well where you're better off not knowing anything. To each their own I suppose.

As for Nolan and his penchant for spoilers, let's not forget that this was written for Spielberg. So, barring anything Nolan added, technically, any twist we'll get in this movie was originally for a Spielberg movie.

 

[DA_Champion]

Why the antagonism for endings that are twists?

 

[jmc]

I could care less if twist endings are good or not, my original comment was about seeing the film for the first time. You cannot go in with the full knowledge of what the film is about and get the same experience as you would had you avoided knowing anything about the movie. If I've recorded a football match that I wanted to watch later on but then before I had the chance to see it someone mentioned who won I cannot experience the same excitement or disappointment because I know the outcome. I may be able to still watch the match and admire what happens but because I know the result the feelings I get are going to be diluted. You may be able to still appreciate a movie if you're aware of the entire plot going in, but it's never going to be the same as finding out yourself because to some degree you've already painted a picture of the movie in your head.

 

[CapedCrusader14]

I could care less if twist endings are good or not, my original comment was about seeing the film for the first time. You cannot go in with the full knowledge of what the film is about and get the same experience as you would had you avoided knowing anything about the movie. If I've recorded a football match that I wanted to watch later on but then before I had the chance to see it someone mentioned who won I cannot experience the same excitement or disappointment because I know the outcome. I may be able to still watch the match and admire what happens but because I know the result the feelings I get are going to be diluted. You may be able to still appreciate a movie if you're aware of the entire plot going in, but it's never going to be the same as finding out yourself because to some degree you've already painted a picture of the movie in your head.

Bam right on the money jmc

 

[Rocketman]

Unbreakable genuinely blew me away. Not even just the ending. We didn't really know what the movie was about from the trailers, so I was taken aback for the entire 2 hours.

 

[Tequilla]

That featurette is interesting and everything, BUT - if you take a good look at the home video versions of The Dark Knight (DVD or Blu-Ray), that blueish tint is actually NOWHERE to be seen (just compare the skin tones and the whites of the screenshot to those in the video) !

The dark knight transfer is know to have botched colors.Still , i want to reiterate this post because yesterday i actually popped the dvd and those colors from that youtube video are nowehere to be seen. Complete pristine colors in those scenes. Lots of blues in the movie ? Yeah , mostly from blues sources. And some night scenes.

 

[the last son]

So, excited to hear Zimmer score. That teaser trailer score was amazing.

 

[E.NormusJohnson]

As for Interstellar...I'm excited more by the thought of what I haven't seen than by what I have seen. Although I thought Trailer 2 packed some nice emotional punch that makes me think this movie will have some mass appeal outside of hardcore sci-fi fans. We shall see.

I share the same excitement... I'm absolutely stunned by some people who need to be smacked in the face with a two min. trailer that gives half the movie away. Nothing better than a sense of mystery about a movie that is all about exploration and discovery of the final frontier (yup I went there).

 

[flickchick85]

So, excited to hear Zimmer score. That teaser trailer score was amazing.

I'm excited too, but for the record, that teaser score wasn't Zimmer. It was Dario Marianelli.

EDIT: I just realized I was referring to the latest trailer, and you may not have been, so my mistake if that's the case.

 

[SquareWatcher]

I'm really hoping Zimmer's score is in the next trailer.

 

[Travesty]

When does this movie come out again? Is it this winter or next summer?

 

[SquareWatcher]

When does this movie come out again? Is it this winter or next summer?

November 7.

 

[Rocketman]

I'm not gonna lie, I'm nervous about the box office. They better market the ever-loving hell out of this ASAP. It comes out in 4 months.

 

[Deserana]

Yeah it seems WB are relying HEAVILY on Nolan's name which is fine for mainstream yet smart action thrillers like Inception but not for what now (going by trailers) is a slow hardcore sci fi drama.

Of course following the film the reality is probably much more interesting but going on these trailers it isn't gonna rock the box office. Early high word of mouth could do wonders.

 

[Rocketman]

I actually think they might be relying on an older, more mature audience (like Grandma and Grandpa) and not teenagers/mid-20 year olds, like they're going for an Apollo 13/Ron Howard/Old-School Spielberg crowd. It's almost like they're avoiding blockbuster ticket sales (avoiding Summer) and going straight for Oscar Season numbers. Most Oscar films don't reach billion-dollar-numbers, and maybe that's WB's strategy: don't make it too mainstream or too successful, and maybe the Academy will notice it more, like an American Hustle, or a Wolf of Wall Street, etc.

I originally thought they were going for the Avatar/Gravity/Inception demographic, but that doesn't seem to be the case anymore. By all means, if that's the strategy, I can dig it. Just don't keep your fingers crossed on a huge opening weekend. *Cue the Nolan haters rejoicing on an unsuccessful Nolan film.*

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

It'll be interesting to see how Nolan's career moves forward in his post-Batman phase.

He's not bullet-proof but Interstellar, should it be successful would go a long way in establishing his name in a concrete manner.

 

[Rocketman]

It'll be interesting to see how Nolan's career moves forward in his post-Batman phase.

He's not bullet-proof but Interstellar, should it be successful would go a long way in establishing his name in a concrete manner.

Oh, definitely. If this movie does insane numbers (which I don't think it will), it'll further establish him as an untouchable director with carte blanche. "Seriously? The non-franchise, non-sequel, slow, abstract drama starring Matthew McConnaughey made a billion dollars? Sure, give the man whatever the hell he wants."