Iron Fist Iron Fist General Discussion Thread - Part 2

[Dasher10]

So can we finally get something to talk about aside from politics? I really want a new trailer. Iron Fist feels like it isn't getting any publicity.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Someone who actually knows anything at all about the character knows that he never comes off as a white savior either, and he's not a white savior and he's never been a white savior. He's no more white is right savior than Captain America, Batman, or Superman are.

In fact, the early Iron Fist stories get across how he's still dealing with the rage and trauma of what happened to his parents when he returns to New York. His rage is something that's come up again in the comics later.

People are throwing that term around because we are in the PC era now and it's become a popular buzz term when describing Iron Fist, the same thing with "white privilege" now and how that has entered the public zeitgeist. So basically, if you are white, all the ills of society and systemic or institutional racism or any other issues are your fault. If you are white you are automatically privileged and have an easier life than other minorities. Even though you can still be white and not be privileged at all and you can still be of a minority if you are white as well. The PC crowd is still salty because Iron Fist's a martial artist who trained in a fictional Asian mystical city, that means he needed to be Asian as well.

Uh... huh...


Except again... The article explicitly states in it's title tha Danny isn't a "White Savior". Even the question in the interview says he could be seen like that but didn't say "Danny Rand has always been written as a White Savior".

No amount of venting about PC culture ect. changes that. The title of the article might have a term that annoys you but it says pretty much that Iron Fist isn't that in his home media of comics and the show will also not easily be seen playing that "trope".

It's always interesting that the voices on the Internet that say "people are always looking to be outraged about something" are always themselves looking for something to be outraged about.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

So can we finally get something to talk about aside from politics? I really want a new trailer. Iron Fist feels like it isn't getting any publicity.

The marketing for all of these netflix shows hace been the same.

Show a teaser at sdcc, show a trailer the month prior to release, show a final trailer two weeks before release. It was the exact same way with DD s1 and s2 which released in the spring slot.

 

[TheVileOne]

Uh... huh...


Except again... The article explicitly states in it's title tha Danny isn't a "White Savior". Even the question in the interview says he could be seen like that but didn't say "Danny Rand has always been written as a White Savior".

No amount of venting about PC culture ect. changes that. The title of the article might have a term that annoys you but it says pretty much that Iron Fist isn't that in his home media of comics and the show will also not easily be seen playing that "trope".

I still don't like or agree with it.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

So can we finally get something to talk about aside from politics? I really want a new trailer. Iron Fist feels like it isn't getting any publicity.

Well, Jessica Henwick teased K'un-L'un in her Instagram page. You can check it out.

 

[Sebastos]

Holy Shou-Lao, can it be?!

 

[Slick]

Excited.

 

[TheVileOne]

Interesting. I'm curious how much we will actually see of K'un L'un. I'm still skeptical Shao Lao will even show up.

 

[Slick]

Holy Shou-Lao, can it be?!

It now just says all the world.

 

[chamber-music]

Holy Shou-Lao, can it be?!

That is Shakespeare's Globe theatre in London.

I wonder if Sacha Dhawan is in Iron Fist as he seems to be in a few of Jessica's posts?

 

[Dr. Evil]

So does this show take place before the events of Civil War?

 

[Mike Murdock]

Watch it and find out

 

[metaphysician]

Don't see why it would hugely matter, since Iron Fist isn't an Avenger.

 

[3dman27]

I think he's thinking of the civil war II

 

[Mike Murdock]

Doesn't seem likely, it's about the Netflix show so it's not the same universe as Civil War II, which is a comic book story.

 

[Dr. Evil]

I was talking about the movie. After the events of the movie, all superheroes would have to register. Luke didn't because the show took place before those events.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

No in civil war all of the Avengers and those associated with would have to register/sign accords Not all vigilantes the street level heroes are pretty under the radar anyway.

 

[Dasher10]

The marketing for all of these netflix shows hace been the same.

Show a teaser at sdcc, show a trailer the month prior to release, show a final trailer two weeks before release. It was the exact same way with DD s1 and s2 which released in the spring slot.

So over a month before we hear anything new? That sucks.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

So over a month before we hear anything new? That sucks.

We'll probably get a new trailer within the next 6 weeks if i had to guess.

 

[Mike Murdock]

No in civil war all of the Avengers and those associated with would have to register/sign accords Not all vigilantes the street level heroes are pretty under the radar anyway.

I take it you haven't been watching Agents of SHIELD? Netflix shows are produced by the TV people who have a different take on the Accords.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I take it you haven't been watching Agents of SHIELD? Netflix shows are produced by the TV people who have a different take on the Accords.

Not to say that bit of story cant spill over into the netflix series. I certainly dont think it will. It just makes for a convenient story line for AoS.

 

[3dman27]

Not to say that bit of story cant spill over into the netflix series. I certainly dont think it will. It just makes for a convenient story line for AoS.

what is that ?I dropped AOS as too little too late

 

[Mike Murdock]

Not to say that bit of story cant spill over into the netflix series. I certainly dont think it will. It just makes for a convenient story line for AoS.

I have no idea if it will or won't. I suspect if it is incorporated, it'll be a reference or two and that's it.

Here's the thing, though, Luke Cage clearly takes place before. It's not just that it didn't mention the Accords; it's that all the complaints the Accords "solve" are in the story. It's a story about why people want the Accords. Thematically, it reads as a prequel to Captain America: Civil War with the understanding that the Agents of SHIELD interpretation of the Accords act as a sequel.

That's why I do think it's worth asking if this takes place before or after Captain America: Civil War. The TV side of things seem like view that event as something of a sea change in superhero dynamics.

 

[metaphysician]

No in civil war all of the Avengers and those associated with would have to register/sign accords Not all vigilantes the street level heroes are pretty under the radar anyway.

*points up* This. Absolutely nothing in the movie suggests that J Random Street Level Superhero is effected by the Accords in any way. They dealt with the Avengers.

 

[metaphysician]

The Accords are desired because of Avengers ignoring international borders and acting as their own foreign policy. That has precisely zip to do with. . . anything Luke Cage does.