World Is this movie keeping in smallville continuity?

[MoviesKickAss]

well no, it's not in smallville's continuity

I never said it 100 % was but this Movie Series CAN BE in some ways (it depends what the People watching understand) as long as they ignore some facts

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I like that plan actually, CConn. It includes everyone....and doesn't exclude anyone. If you want to fit into something, then it works for me. It's brilliantly crazyily confusing.....yay.

 

[The Kid]

I never said it 100 % was but this Movie Series CAN BE in some ways (it depends what the People watching understand) as long as they ignore some facts

sorry that wasn't a response to your post actually. I typed that before your reply was updated onto my screen. I re-edited it to not seem like it was directed to yours. It's just generally my reply to the topic itself.

 

[CConn]

I like that plan actually, CConn. It includes everyone....and doesn't exclude anyone. If you want to fit into something, then it works for me. It's brilliantly crazyily confusing.....yay.

Oh, I like it too. Of course, it could be messed up a bit by some dialogue referencing STM and such ("You're father once told you...", etc.), but those would be minor quibbles.

 

[Emrys]

You have to understand...Emrys is a communist.

huh that's a new one to me... thanks for telling me I'd not have noticed otherwise.

 

[Emrys]

Well in my opinion

When I think of SUPERMAN the list is

(1) The Comic book version [Post Crisis]

(2) Christopher Reeve - [SUPERMAN movies]

(3) Tim Daly - [SUPERMAN : The ANIMATED SERIES]

(4) George Reeves - [The Adventures of Superman]

[5] George Newbern - [Justice league & JLU cartoon]

[6] Clayton 'Bud' Collyer - [Fleischer Superman Cartoons]

[7] Kirk Alyn - [Superman Movie Serials]

[8] Dean Cain - [Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman]



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I see Smallville as an Elseworld tale of superboy from smallville.

My list is

1.) Superman the movie

2.) Fleischer toon

3.)For the Man who has everything and late silver age.

4.)Byrne Supes

5.)Most elseworld superman tales.

everything else I don't like.

Oh I liked a few parts of Birthright, the african part and the take on Krypton, allthough I prefer the movie version of Krypton over any other incarnation. My least fave Krypton is the silver age one followed by Byrnes.

 

[newmexneon]

Smallville takes small bits of Continuity from the Reeve movies, such as the design of the FOS and the Phantom Zone. But for the most part it has nothing to do with them.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well, not really CConn......since Smallville does kinda take some stuff from the movies.

 

[charl_huntress]

I hope nothing from Smallville makes its way into this movie. I was highly pissed to read about the super hormone charged heat vision which is a direct correlation to Smallville. I don't want to see Chloe at all in the comics, and I'd prefer not to see Lana, especially if her purpose is to be involved in some useless triangle involving Lois and Superman's child. That's way too much....even for my girly radar.

 

[NotFadeAway]

1 : Superman: The Animated Series - Best interpretation ever and should have been adapted into a live action film IMO

I also am willing to go against the grain and say that I like John Byrne's Man of Steel. The only thing I didn't like was how cold and emotionless Krypton was or atleast it seemed to me.

 

[Kane]

The only major difference characterization-wise between STAS and Superman Returns is 'Lex' and 'Metropolis Clark'

SR Lex is a fusion of precrisis and postcrisis; as Mike and Dan said hes 'part politician, part mad scientist'. In essense he'll likely end up as something totally new interpretation-wise.

The STAS Metropolis clark would NOT be believable on live action screen. It would be like Dean Cain's duality in Lois and Clark; more or less the same personality for both of them.

They needed to make Metropolis Clark and Superman drastically different and they have in this film; Routh seems to have grasped that and may be the only actor who will be able to make it believeable in the context of how the two personalities are written.

John Bryne's Man of Steel.....retconned for a reason; but we get the nice Space Plane rescue from MOS, nice nod.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

It's a modern take on Superboy, that's why it's an Elseworld tale.

Elseworld means something that is dramatically different from the normal continuity.........alot of things are different in Smallville compared to the comics.

Smallville does a nice job of blending in STM elements with PRE-CRISIS material as well. Phantom Zone, The look of the FOS, and Pa Kent dying....things like are from the old films.

I don't see how SR could follow SV's foot steps if it's trying to follow STM.

One thing I could totally dig, is a past friendship between Lex and Clark.

by your logic SR is an elseworlds tale too since it has next to nothing to do with the modern comic continuity.

 

[MoviesKickAss]

since it has next to nothing to do with the modern comic continuity.

Superman has left the earth in Comics before & there are more exambles not just this


This Movie IS following Superman Comics. But like with Smallville some things are & the key word here is "different"

 

[fangrl06]

I don't like Smallville and I think most true Superman fans would agree they could have made that show so much better. So, I don't really care if the SV fans are happy or not.

 

[Kane]

SR is just the continuation of the Donner vision from the first. Donners original film didnt match up with the comics at the time exactly either but eventually alot of key aspects of the comics parallelled it.

That may already be happening with Returns.

SV is just Elsewords. The key difference is while SR moves the story forward and add a few elements to the mythos that push it forward.....

Smallville goes back, changes and reinterpretes the origins, changing and altering the past; ex Lois Lane in Smallville etc..

Thats why so many regard SV as Elseworlds.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

Superman has left the earth in Comics before

great. Superman also wears a suit as clark in the comics, yet that one plot point doesnt mean he's following the character continuity

This Movie IS following Superman Comics. But like with Smallville some things are & the key word here is "different"

SR has nothing to do with the current comic continuity. It's taking a "vague" story from a 28 year old movie that itself has gone out of comic continuity

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

It's not actually my logic, it's what it says on the page flap of nearly every DC Comics elseworld tale......

I think this film having more in common with the STM films, instead of being a restart, is one of the gripes of the fanboys. It's something to debate, really.....but, I'd be hard pressed to want Singer to only cater the comic fans anyway. But, like someone said....there are comic similarities. There's alot of history....so there are things from the comics for sure.

I believe the good word to use could be ADAPTATION. Since, apparently, Elseworld is a dirty, dirty word.......heh.

But.....most films seem to stray from the current regular comics anyway, so to speak. Spider-Man, X-Men.....even those films aren't based on the regular comics.

 

[Venom71]

Lets not turn this into a SR Vs.SV thread please....from what I understand the only thing they have in common is the FOS.

 

[MoviesKickAss]

SR has nothing to do with the current comic continuity. It's taking a "vague" story from a 28 year old movie that itself has gone out of comic continuity

Smallville has more in common with the Superboy Comics then Superman Comics (the lawsuit prooves that)

One can say Smallville is simply following the Superboy Comics & is also taking borrowing things from the Movie

 

[charl_huntress]

This incessant LOVE for STAS which is warranted because it is a great series is a little overwrought.

Bruce Timm is the biggest Batman fan alive, and though he's a good cartoon guy...I don't completely trust him with the MOS.

JL Season one, anyone????

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

It's not actually my logic, it's what it says on the page flap of nearly every DC Comics elseworld tale......

I think this film having more in common with the STM films, instead of being a restart, is one of the gripes of the fanboys. It's something to debate, really.....but, I'd be hard pressed to want Singer to only cater the comic fans anyway.

I believe the good word to use could be ADAPTATION. Since, apparently, Elseworld is a dirty, dirty word.......heh.

But.....most films seem to stray from the current regular comics anyway, so to speak. Spider-Man, X-Men.....even those films aren't based on the regular comics.

I wasnt disagreeing with the definiton, just stating that if you apply it literally, SR and most any other live action incarnation of the characters could be considered "elseworlds".

 

[Kane]

There is no Elseworlds in the comics anymore either. Its been discontinued.

Which is a smart move.

 

[MoviesKickAss]

I wasnt disagreeing with the definiton, just stating that if you apply it literally, SR and most any other live action incarnation of the characters could be considered "elseworlds".

Anything that does not follow the Comics decently enough pretty much = Else Worlds. Like X-Men The last Stand

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well, in a way you could.

But, for example.......I would consider BATMAN to be an elseworld......and Batman Begins to be continuity.

Really, b/c Begins is true to the comics......and takes alot of inspiration from the comics.

I don't think the film needs to copy everything from the comics to be true to it......just have themes, characteristics, and maybe plot points...along with some scenes....and it could do justice.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

Smallville has more in common with the Superboy Comics then Superman Comics (the lawsuit prooves that)

And that has what to do with my point about SR being an "elseworlds" so to speak as well? I didnt even say anything about SV in ANY of my posts.

that being said the lawsuit proves nothing, other than the fact that Siegel's family thinks SV is about Superboy. Just because someone claims it, doenst mean it's true. There have been no factual findings as of yet in that case, just a ruling that a judge will let it go to trial/.