It's a Bird, It's a Plane, It's the Superman Costume Thread!

[spidermanJLA!~]

Soooooo....
The new logo is pretty cool...

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

That's not new. Been around for a year and it's fan-made.

 

[Krumm]

Haha. This thread...

 

[spidermanJLA!~]

Okay then, so what do you guys think about the new logo? Again.

 

[Krumm]

Okay then, so what do you guys think about the new logo? Again.

Nicely played.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

the designers do associate it... and to me, that's what matters.
and the suit does associate Superman with his humanity... remember Superman Lives or Superman FlyBy?

Yes, but like I refuted in that very same paragraph, non-fans don't. These modifications are symbolic for the designers and fans but my colleagues or classmates won't give a damn that the trunks are gone, or what they represent. To alot of them, the trunks were nothing but an unnecessary accessory or an article of clothing that made Superman appear 'goofy'.

 

[Super Kal]

it never was about making him look "goofy" and you know it... it
s change simply for the sake of change.

i dont like it, and i wont accept it as the norm either

 

[Micromind]

Superman's Kryptonian heritage is as much a part of the character as his American upbringing, neither should be ignored. (IMO.)

The people should accept the character as it is or reject him, that should not mean that one part of his roots should be abandoned for the other.

 

[Gianakin_]

It is the production concept leading to the exclusion of the trunks that is the problem for me. Enforcing and focusing on Superman as an alien is IMO a huge mistake. Superman is as American as mom and apple pie. It's what the GA knows, accepts, and expects.

it never was about making him look "goofy" and you know it... it
s change simply for the sake of change.

i dont like it, and i wont accept it as the norm either

I'd like to reiterate yesterday's point (albeit in a more ironic manner) for the purists who still think CBMs will ever try to follow comics norm or continuity. Thank you Kevin Smith:

"See, here's the pulse. And this is your finger, far away from the pulse, jammed straight up your a##. Say, would you like a chocolate covered pretzel?"

 

[Gianakin_]

lol...DoomApex....you are funny person.

I have reported you...so please get out of this thread.

Waitaminute, you actually reported him? For what?

 

[DoomsdayApex]

it never was about making him look "goofy" and you know it... it
s change simply for the sake of change.

i dont like it, and i wont accept it as the norm either

...Uhhhh, what?

 

[Krumm]

Waitaminute, you actually reported him? For what?

I was curious about that one myself.

 

[Zionite1]

have you seen the entire movie yet? nope.
are you the writers or the producer? nope.
do you know EXACTLY what they're making? nope.

what Marvel does is their business, as Thor is not the same as Superman, since Thor can go back to his homeworld. Superman cannot... yes, Superman is Kryptonian, but his humanity is just important, and shouldn't be rationalized... his "humanity is just as important as his alien heritage... the suit design specifically said that the costume reflects more of his alien heritage, which tells me they're more focused on the alien personification rather than his human personification, and like i said earlier, that's exactly what previous directors/producers did to past projects... maybe the "load" is that you found someone that disagrees with you, and the truth of the matter is, you're going to run into that... the designers made it very obvious that the "trunks" are a part of Superman's "humanity"... i'd like to keep part of Superman's "humanity" intact.

There right there is your problem.You are assuming that the film will focus on the alien personification just because they made supermans suit look alien.Assuming.Whereas you are totally misreading the whole quote.They made supermans alien suit look alien because its alien.Thats it.

 

[afan]

Superman's Kryptonian heritage is as much a part of the character as his American upbringing, neither should be ignored. (IMO.)

The people should accept the character as it is or reject him, that should not mean that one part of his roots should be abandoned for the other.

I disagree with this.
His upbringing on Earth IS what makes him Superman. Remember Jor-el sends his infant son to Earth, meaning virtually his entire life is spent on Earth. His super-powers are the benefit of being on Earth, and his strength of character is due solely to the guidance of his Earth parents. And it is solely that strength that allows him to properly use his powers! Of course this means that one must reject the Jor-el AI mumbo jumbo, and the "It is your destiny...yada, yada..." iteration, which I readily and wholeheartedly do!
Earth is his home! His only home as Krypton no longer exists.

While I certainly agree his Kryptonian heritage cannot be ignored; it is not in regards to an origin tale on an equal footing with his Earth upbringing.

 

[Micromind]

Superman's Kryptonian heritage is as much a part of the character as his American upbringing

I am not giving any weightage to his Kryptonian roots or his upbringing on Earth, I was merely stating the fact that neither can be ignored.

You can go to either extreme and nullify the other, but that will only serve to diminish the character.

 

[Jobling]

Yes, but like I refuted in that very same paragraph, non-fans don't. These modifications are symbolic for the designers and fans but my colleagues or classmates won't give a damn that the trunks are gone, or what they represent. To alot of them, the trunks were nothing but an unnecessary accessory or an article of clothing that made Superman appear 'goofy'.

 

[Krumm]

I disagree with this.
His upbringing on Earth IS what makes him Superman. Remember Jor-el sends his infant son to Earth, meaning virtually his entire life is spent on Earth. His super-powers are the benefit of being on Earth, and his strength of character is due solely to the guidance of his Earth parents. And it is solely that strength that allows him to properly use his powers! Of course this means that one must reject the Jor-el AI mumbo jumbo, and the "It is your destiny...yada, yada..." iteration, which I readily and wholeheartedly do!
Earth is his home! His only home as Krypton no longer exists.

While I certainly agree his Kryptonian heritage cannot be ignored; it is not in regards to an origin tale on an equal footing with his Earth upbringing.

I have to disagree. First, if it wasn't for his Kryptonian heritage, he wouldn't have any powers so that's kind of a big deal.

On top of that, if he was simply a human with powers, he would have no internal conflict like other characters (Batman, Spider-man, etc). He would be a guy with powers and just because he is a good person he decides to be a hero -- boring.

Being of two worlds brings great internal conflict to the character. It's his struggle to find a place in a world which he is not a part of -- or is he!? That's the conflict and that character arc.

Also the fact that he is an alien and cares so much for humanity, to me, only strengthens his humanity. A human who cares for humans is expected but an alien who cares means so much more.

Without the Kryptonian heritage, you really have nothing.

 

[Micromind]

^^ Agreed.

Alien hero with powers helping mere mortals = Thor like character.

Human Hero with Powers = Hanc0ck like character.

Superman is much more complex.

 

[afan]

I have to disagree. First, if it wasn't for his Kryptonian heritage, he wouldn't have any powers so that's kind of a big deal.

On top of that, if he was simply a human with powers, he would have no internal conflict like other characters (Batman, Spider-man, etc). He would be a guy with powers and just because he is a good person he decides to be a hero -- boring.

Being of two worlds brings great internal conflict to the character. It's his struggle to find a place in a world which he is not a part of -- or is he!? That's the conflict and that character arc.

Also the fact that he is an alien and cares so much for humanity, to me, only strengthens his humanity. A human who cares for humans is expected but an alien who cares means so much more.

Without the Kryptonian heritage, you really have nothing.

His amazing powers are due to the influence of Earth's yellow sun. The super-powers are not a result of his Kryptonian heritage. A million melenniums of Kryptonian heritage would not grant him any super-powers if he remained on Krypton.

His powers are granted on Earth. The possession of "absolute power" and the inherent trend towards "absolute corruption" is overcome solely by his Earth upbringing.

Had Krypton's destruction been averted and Kal-el grew to manhood with Jor-el and Lara as parents I am quite sure he would be a very good and very influential man. However Jor-el and Lara would never have to deal with the super-powered son that the Kent's raised.

That being said his Kryptonian heritage does grant him superiority to a normal human, even sans his super-powers, his physical body and his intellect are far advanced to any human.

Please note I don't advocate a total ignorance for the import of the Kryptonian heritage to the character, but when one deals with his origin as Superman it is his Earth upbringing that is paramount to the creation of the super-hero!

 

[Krumm]

His powers are due to the addition of Earth's sun. Had he grown to adulthood on Krypton he probably would be a very The only factor of his Kryptonian heritage of import to his powers

Exactly. Both his Kryptonian and human sides are of equal importance.

 

[Dr.]

You are assuming that the film will focus on the alien personification just because they made Superman's suit look alien.

Taken in isolation, I don’t think an alien suit necessarily means an emphasis on the “alien.” For modern iterations, I think it comes down to an issue of “plausibility.” Back in the day, it might have seemed reasonable that Ma/Pa/Clark would take inspiration from, say, Errol Flynn movies or the circus strongman for Superman’s uniform. But a contemporary infant Kal-El would have crash-landed in Kansas circa the early 90s and come of age now - with Flynn and Barnum & Bailey all but quaint anachronisms. So what would possess a modern Ma Kent to come up with the bodysuit, boots and cape? It’s an easier sell, I think, to just explain the costume as alien fashion. (The indestructible materials are traditionally Kryptonian anyway; it’s a relatively small step to say the design is too.)

That said, the story, itself, might well focus on the alien duality.

Also - I think it’s problematic to claim that a homemade costume (with trunks) somehow connotes warmth or “approachability” or “humanity.” No matter where it comes from, the classic Superman garb is fairly outlandish. That’s the point - to stand out as different (not to blend in as familiar). And an alien origin rationalizes this.

 

[Jobling]

We have here in this forum some Inteligent people!!!

The suit is done, the film is in Post-Production, some of you have to accept what's coming, I think that's stupid even to discuss this, almost everyone is SUPER curious about the movie, not only the fans but everyone who saw the teaser, saw something interesting and they will give an opportunity to this francise again, that´s is not important for some of you??? If you want to see the old movies and the old costume the bluray is on sale go get it, now is another time,try to evolve people I know that you can do itt, this film has to be a success, but more importantly we should be more careful with the story and the actors and mostly Cavill !!!

 

[not_a_victim]

I am assuming (from no actual knowledge, just stuff I have read online here and other places) that Clark will be dealing with how/why/when or even whether or not to reveal himself to the world.
I can see the dichotomy of Clark wanting to fit in as much as possible, but the only way he can do his "job" is to wear this vastly alien suit.
On the other hand, he could possibly come to terms with the idea, and use the suit as an announcement of the fact he is alien.
The simple fact that he is attempting to HITCH a ride in the trailer seems to point to him trying to hide his powers completely (or the less likely scenario that they either haven't developed yet, or he goes up north to get less yellow sun, and therefore possibly display less power).
I dunno, it sounded better in my head than it looks when I read it.
Either way, I see a lot of soul-searching and angst going on for the first two acts of the movie.

 

[Super Kal]

We have here in this forum some Inteligent people!!!

The suit is done, the film is in Post-Production, some of you have to accept what's coming, I think that's stupid even to discuss this, almost everyone is SUPER curious about the movie, not only the fans but everyone who saw the teaser, saw something interesting and they will give an opportunity to this francise again, that´s is not important for some of you??? If you want to see the old movies and the old costume the bluray is on sale go get it, now is another time,try to evolve people I know that you can do itt, this film has to be a success, but more importantly we should be more careful with the story and the actors and mostly Cavill !!!

in other words:

"we dont care about you has-been comic book fans, you have to swallow whatever is given to you, and deal with it"

yeah, that's not how it works. some people were saying the exact same crap about Superman Returns, just like many of you are now... all of you die-hard MOS fans are not the deciding factor if this movie will be successful or not. the GA will be the deciding factor... and come next year, we'll just see how accepting the GA is over this new vision of superman. if the GA doesn't like it, then it wont garner the support and attention that it needs to make it successful, and it will become another Superman Returns: disappointing and no sequel.

of course, i hope I'm wrong on that, though... i would like this movie to be successful. i hope they dont simply focus only on Superman's kryptonian heritage

 

[Super Kal]

Also - I think it’s problematic to claim that a homemade costume (with trunks) somehow connotes warmth or “approachability” or “humanity.” No matter where it comes from, the classic Superman garb is fairly outlandish. That’s the point - to stand out as different (not to blend in as familiar). And an alien origin rationalizes this.

then your problem comes with the very costume designers who made the new suit, not the fans who like the old suit.

and like i said earlier, those such as yourself like to rationalize it away for the sake of change, not for functionality