BvS It's always Darkest before The Dawn... Chris Terrio IS the Script Writer - Part 1

[Captain Tired]

With the cities being so close to each other, I just don't buy the thought of Superman leaving Gotham in the hands of...I'm gonna try and phrase this in a way that doesn't offend anyone...

In the hands of someone's who's perhaps a little less equipped at dealing with large scale atrocities or other such incidents, i.e., incidents wherein Batman would be quite a bit less likely to save every single life caught up in such a fray, whereas Superman would have an infinitely better chance at doing so. I just don't see Superman as being able to restrain himself from getting involved in Gotham's affairs, all on the basis of there being some sort of truce or understanding that enables Batman to feel more masculine and independent, and that says something to the effect of "stay off my patch".

 

[roach]

With the cities being so close to each other, I just don't buy the thought of Superman leaving Gotham in the hands of...I'm gonna try and phrase this in a way that doesn't offend anyone...

In the hands of someone's who's perhaps a little less equipped at dealing with large scale atrocities or other such incidents, i.e., incidents wherein Batman would be quite a bit less likely to save every single life caught up in such a fray, whereas Superman would have an infinitely better chance at doing so. I just don't see Superman as being able to restrain himself from getting involved in Gotham's affairs, all on the basis of there being some sort of truce or understanding that enables Batman to feel more masculine and independent, and that says something to the effect of "stay off my patch".

I don't think we'll see a Superman that patrols Metropolis every morning. Looking at the trailer he's gone international saving people all over the world...one man dressing up as a bat is small compared to stopping disasters around the world.

 

[LurkNoMore]

I don't think we'll see a Superman that patrols Metropolis every morning. Looking at the trailer he's gone international saving people all over the world...one man dressing up as a bat is small compared to stopping disasters around the world.

Yep.

Superman = Macro-Hero
Batman = Micro-Hero

Geographically speaking.t:

 

[Captain Tired]

I don't think we'll see a Superman that patrols Metropolis every morning. Looking at the trailer he's gone international saving people all over the world...one man dressing up as a bat is small compared to stopping disasters around the world.

But that's my whole point. If he's got no problem with flying all around the world and saving people from disasters and whatnot, I don't believe he'd leave Gotham and its inhabitants all alone, all on the basis of allowing Batman some small semblance of masculinity.

 

[souperman]

I think Superman will intervene in big problems when ordinary human solutions fail. Including The Batmans.

We may see a few one on one personal rescues but for the most part, Superman should allow humanity to solve its own problems so it can grow and advance...

He will step in for the dramatic, save the day issues that are a result of him being an alien...imo.

 

[roach]

But that's my whole point. If he's got no problem with flying all around the world and saving people from disasters and whatnot, I don't believe he'd leave Gotham and its inhabitants all alone, all on the basis of allowing Batman some small semblance of masculinity.

I don't think he is leaving Gotham alone. He's the big picture guy. Does he go after muggers? How many people get mugged in one city on a daily basis? How many in two? How many in the country? How many in the world?
Is Superman now responsible for preventing all that?

 

[Captain Tired]

I don't think he is leaving Gotham alone. He's the big picture guy. Does he go after muggers? How many people get mugged in one city on a daily basis? How many in two? How many in the country? How many in the world?
Is Superman now responsible for preventing all that?

Well obviously not responsible, no. As Martha Kent rather charitably laid out in the trailer, it's his choice. But do I think that the character would pass up the opportunity or consider himself as not being personally responsible? Of course not. We all know he wouldn't. But as it is, I was mainly talking about large scale atrocity. Things that would require the use of the batwing or other such creations. A big folly of sequels is the temptation to do everything on a much larger, grander scale, right? To outdo the previous film in terms of risk and dramatic tension and whatnot. As such, it's not completely beyond the bounds of reason to consider that a Batman film, somewhere down the line, would feature mass chaos and large scale destruction, in an attempt to outdo previous films in the series. If such a thing occurs, I just wouldn't consider it as being believable that Superman would not get himself involved. And say he does get involved, then what do you end up with? You end up with a *****fied, emasculated Batman.

But anyways, I'm not saying it's something that I can't overlook or put to the side. Indeed, this point is an issue I've always had with the comics and the very idea of Superman and Batman sharing the same universe. But hey, in my quest for a good comic book film, I can even overlook a guy fooling the world's best reporter by putting on a pair of thick-rimmed glasses. It's just that putting Gotham and Metropolis in the vein of San Francisco and Oakland...it kinda exacerbates and intensifies the complete absurdity of it all. t:

 

[roach]

Well obviously not responsible, no. As Martha Kent rather charitably laid out in the trailer, it's his choice. But do I think that the character would pass up the opportunity or consider himself as not being personally responsible? Of course not. We all know he wouldn't. But as it is, I was mainly talking about large scale atrocity. Things that would require the use of the batwing or other such creations. A big folly of sequels is the temptation to do everything on a much larger, grander scale, right? To outdo the previous film in terms of risk and dramatic tension and whatnot. As such, it's not completely beyond the bounds of reason to consider that a Batman film, somewhere down the line, would feature mass chaos and large scale destruction, in an attempt to outdo previous films in the series. If such a thing occurs, I just wouldn't consider it as being believable that Superman would not get himself involved. And say he does get involved, then what do you end up with? You end up with a *****fied, emasculated Batman.

But anyways, I'm not saying it's something that I can't overlook or put to the side. Indeed, this point is an issue I've always had with the comics and the very idea of Superman and Batman sharing the same universe. But hey, in my quest for a good comic book film, I can even overlook a guy fooling the world's best reporter by putting on a pair of thick-rimmed glasses. It's just that putting Gotham and Metropolis in the vein of San Francisco and Oakland...it kinda exacerbates and intensifies the complete absurdity of it all. t:

Let's be honest...it's all rather silly. Unless they come up with reasons or ignore it like the other guys do...batman will be teaming up with Superman, Green Lantern, Flash and maybe Shazam...Gotham being on the other side of the country would still be irrelevant.

 

[WBwins]

After the events of BVS,Gotham becomes irradiated with kryptonite and Superman can never go there again.So Supes can never help Bats with Gotham

 

[TripleJ]

Well obviously not responsible, no. As Martha Kent rather charitably laid out in the trailer, it's his choice. But do I think that the character would pass up the opportunity or consider himself as not being personally responsible? Of course not. We all know he wouldn't. But as it is, I was mainly talking about large scale atrocity. Things that would require the use of the batwing or other such creations. A big folly of sequels is the temptation to do everything on a much larger, grander scale, right? To outdo the previous film in terms of risk and dramatic tension and whatnot. As such, it's not completely beyond the bounds of reason to consider that a Batman film, somewhere down the line, would feature mass chaos and large scale destruction, in an attempt to outdo previous films in the series. If such a thing occurs, I just wouldn't consider it as being believable that Superman would not get himself involved. And say he does get involved, then what do you end up with? You end up with a *****fied, emasculated Batman.

But anyways, I'm not saying it's something that I can't overlook or put to the side. Indeed, this point is an issue I've always had with the comics and the very idea of Superman and Batman sharing the same universe. But hey, in my quest for a good comic book film, I can even overlook a guy fooling the world's best reporter by putting on a pair of thick-rimmed glasses. It's just that putting Gotham and Metropolis in the vein of San Francisco and Oakland...it kinda exacerbates and intensifies the complete absurdity of it all. t:

Well, that depends on which direction they go.

They could go for Batman prequels (he mentioned 20 years in Gotham - that could mean 15 years of Batman, and 5 years of retirement; of course, I am just assuming the numbers here).

So, he must have fought a lot of his enemies - they could just make a bunch of prequels with a different actor (with Ben directing the films?).

Of course, the other option is to keep things in the present..and deal with it. In that case, we might see Superman and the others in Gotham for the bigger threats (perhaps sort of like Superman's involvement in Gotham during NML?).

If they do go for the present option..they will also have to deal with Flash. Because Flash can deal with everything before anyone else (Unless the villains of Gotham are specially prepared for him).

 

[roach]

Well, that depends on which direction they go.

They could go for Batman prequels (he mentioned 20 years in Gotham - that could mean 15 years of Batman, and 5 years of retirement; of course, I am just assuming the numbers here).

So, he must have fought a lot of his enemies - they could just make a bunch of prequels with a different actor (with Ben directing the films?).

Of course, the other option is to keep things in the present..and deal with it. In that case, we might see Superman and the others in Gotham for the bigger threats (perhaps sort of like Superman's involvement in Gotham during NML?).

If they do go for the present option..they will also have to deal with Flash. Because Flash can deal with everything before anyone else (Unless the villains of Gotham are specially prepared for him).

The report said it would be a Batman that comes out of BvS and JL....no prequel

 

[eddyg]

With the cities being so close to each other, I just don't buy the thought of Superman leaving Gotham in the hands of...I'm gonna try and phrase this in a way that doesn't offend anyone...

In the hands of someone's who's perhaps a little less equipped at dealing with large scale atrocities or other such incidents, i.e., incidents wherein Batman would be quite a bit less likely to save every single life caught up in such a fray, whereas Superman would have an infinitely better chance at doing so. I just don't see Superman as being able to restrain himself from getting involved in Gotham's affairs, all on the basis of there being some sort of truce or understanding that enables Batman to feel more masculine and independent, and that says something to the effect of "stay off my patch".

You know I thought about this but than I thought this is literally a problem that exist in the comics all the time no matter what the distance so than it was whatever for me

 

[roach]

You know I thought about this but than I thought this is literally a problem that exist in the comics all the time no matter what the distance so than it was whatever for me

Exactly...the distance of Oakland and San Fran and New York and Chicago mean nothing to someone who can fly at supersonic speeds

 

[Val_Zod]

With the cities being so close to each other, I just don't buy the thought of Superman leaving Gotham in the hands of...I'm gonna try and phrase this in a way that doesn't offend anyone...

In the hands of someone's who's perhaps a little less equipped at dealing with large scale atrocities or other such incidents, i.e., incidents wherein Batman would be quite a bit less likely to save every single life caught up in such a fray, whereas Superman would have an infinitely better chance at doing so. I just don't see Superman as being able to restrain himself from getting involved in Gotham's affairs, all on the basis of there being some sort of truce or understanding that enables Batman to feel more masculine and independent, and that says something to the effect of "stay off my patch".

The thing is, Superman in the comics could always go from Metropolis to Gotham in a matter of seconds and deal with any problems Batman may be having, but that wasn't always the case. Like the whole glasses thing with Clark, its best not to try and question these things.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

From the latest interview it looks like Chris Terrio had no collaboration with Goyer at all during his re write of the script

http://collider.com/batman-vs-superman-new-trailer-extended-cut-charles-roven/

“First of all, Chris Terrio is a fantastic writer, you said it earlier, he won the Oscar for Argo. David Goyer is a fantastic writer, and I think that we were very fortunate that even though it wasn’t a collaboration it was a very good blending of the two guys’ talents.”

 

[fake]

From the latest interview it looks like Chris Terrio had no collaboration with Goyer at all during his re write of the script

http://collider.com/batman-vs-superman-new-trailer-extended-cut-charles-roven/

“First of all, Chris Terrio is a fantastic writer, you said it earlier, he won the Oscar for Argo. David Goyer is a fantastic writer, and I think that we were very fortunate that even though it wasn’t a collaboration it was a very good blending of the two guys’ talents.”

That was pretty clear when the billing block for the movie said "Story by Chris Terrio AND David Goyer". WGA rules specify that "AND" is used when 2 writers work on a story one after the other, "&" is used when they work on it collaboratively.

Goyer most likely wrote the initial draft, and Terrio used that as his base and wrote the shooting draft.

 

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

A formidable package is coming together to bring a seriously unbelievable true story to life on screen. Per Variety, Oscar Isaac is in talks to lead Paramount’s political thriller A Foreigner, which also has Me and Earl and the Dying Girl director Alfonso Gomez-Rejon in talks to direct. If that wasn’t a promising enough package for you, Steven Zaillian is producing and Oscar-winning Argo and Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice screenwriter Chris Terrio penned the screenplay.

Now, about that true story. The film is based on David Grann’s 2011 New Yorker article “A Murder Foretold”, which recounted the story of a Guatemalan man who, after investigating an assassination, dug deep into a web of corruption and organized violence that put himself in danger. He created a video that he subsequently disseminated to friends only to be viewed in the event of his own death, which soon followed when he was gunned down while riding his bike. If you have some time, the full article is well worth a read.

http://collider.com/oscar-isaac-alfonso-gomez-rejon-a-foreigner/

 

[jokesonm3]

Well he's already done with both BvS and JL so it's all good.

 

[Lily Adler]

So far he is a definite improvement over Goyer as I liked most if not all the dialogue delivered thus far.

 

[matt47]

At least we got Clark talking a whole lot

 

[jokesonm3]

He'll be the reason BvS gets better reviews than MoS.

 

[fake]

So far he is a definite improvement over Goyer as I liked most if not all the dialogue delivered thus far.

The one dialogue of Superman where he said "If I wanted it, you would be dead already", just captures the character within just one sentence. Superman is way powerful and could easily kill Batman if he wanted to, but he is not there to kill him.

 

[Clark-Kent]

So far he is a definite improvement over Goyer as I liked most if not all the dialogue delivered thus far.

I liked much of the dialogue in first MOS trailers.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

A few lines aside, imo, the quality of dialogue wasn't the biggest problem with the writing in MoS.

 

[Lily Adler]

I don't know. "Hey dicksplash", "Release the World Machine", "Well he's kinda hot", and "Heresy!" Among others were pretty bad. But Michael Shannon had such strange delivery for those lines, so Snyder may have been the problem there. We also had pacing issues cause the jump from Clark discovering where he came from to Zod invading Earth felt so abrupt. It needed a period of solace where Clark discovers how to use his powers for the greater good and to help others. And maybe we could have gotten some references to he being a journalism major at KU to better make the transition to Daily Planet Clark Kent.