James Bond In Skyfall - Part 10

[DKDetective]

Dench's M and Craig's Bond have been perfect together imo. They were great in Casino Royale, and even better in QoS. People can complain about the latter all they want, but their relationship was dynamite in it. She can be moody with him and he seems to know how to handle it in the right way every time. The description of her as his mother, excellent.

As to your other points. Are you even sure that is Mallory's office? Have we seen him in it or has it been identified as his office? Could it not simply be "M's" office no matter who "M" is at at the time?

I liked the surrogate mother relationship as literary M had a bit of a surrogate father vibe, but I feel like they overdid the trust issues and coddling in QoS. I also haven't liked how M started to follow M out into the field so much. She's head of the entire SIS after all. She shouldn't have the time to constantly coddle Bond. but to each his or her own.

To answer your question:

Spoiler

Mallory has not been seen in the classic M office yet. However, I believe the Bond on Set book does caption a production photo of the classic M office as "Mallory's Office" and that set has been confirmed as the location of the film's last or second last scene, but is not seen anywhere else in the film. As mentioned, Mallory appears to use a different office throughout the rest of the film.

Edit: There is always the possibly that Mallory's "Are you ready to get back to work?" could be from earlier in the film, but the circumstances of Bond's evaluations suggest otherwise. In the Bunker, presumably at the end of the Bond's evaluation, since he has changed out of the PT gear and is in the same suit he meets Q in, Mallory asks Bond why he didn't stay dead and he begins the line by saying "I only have one question". That suggests to me that Mallory is a silent observer during Bond's evaluation and only jumps in to ask one final stinging question to determine if Bond is actually ready. It would make little sense for him to also ask the "Are you ready to get back to work" line at that point.

 

[Dark Raven]

What's the point of putting spoiler tags if you're still going to leave bits outside of it which give enough away to spoil things or enable you to still figure it out?

 

[DKDetective]

What's the point of putting spoiler tags if you're still going to leave bits outside of it which give enough away to spoil things or enable you to still figure it out?

Because what is inside the spoiler tags is conjecture based on things that could be spoilers. It's far from certain. Sorry if I gave the impression otherwise. I didn't think the conjecture is a spoiler since its just my own speculation, just some of the things the reasoning was based off of. Once again, I'm sorry. I did my best to fix it for others. Based on others' non-spoiler tag responses, it was tough to know how spoiler-free this thread is.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I liked the surrogate mother relationship as literary M had a bit of a surrogate father vibe, but I feel like they overdid the trust issues and coddling in QoS. I also haven't liked how M started to follow M out into the field so much. She's head of the entire SIS after all. She shouldn't have the time to constantly coddle Bond. but to each his or her own.

Spoiler

Mallory has not been seen in the classic M office yet. However, I believe the Bond on Set book does caption a production photo of the classic M office as "Mallory's Office" and that set has been confirmed as the location of the film's last or second last scene, but is not seen anywhere else in the film. As mentioned, Mallory appears to use a different office throughout the rest of the film.

Edit: There is always the possibly that Mallory's "Are you ready to get back to work?" could be from earlier in the film, but the circumstances of Bond's evaluations suggest otherwise. In the Bunker, presumably at the end of the Bond's evaluation, since he has changed out of the PT gear and is in the same suit he meets Q in, Mallory asks Bond why he didn't stay dead and he begins the line by saying "I only have one question". That suggests to me that Mallory is a silent observer during Bond's evaluation and only jumps in to ask one final stinging question to determine if Bond is actually ready. It would make little sense for him to also ask the "Are you ready to get back to work" line at that point.

Considering how early it is suppose to be in Bond's career, I never had much trouble with that. Bond is still a new animal to her.

Thinking about the line from Mallory, I could see it coming after Bond "saves" him during the attack. That shot of Bond winking at Mallory in the IMAX trailer is the scene I am thinking of. Also, thinking back to the IMAX trailer, don't we see the office in that, when Mallory is talking to M?

What's the point of putting spoiler tags if you're still going to leave bits outside of it which give enough away to spoil things or enable you to still figure it out?

It is a discussion of a possibility not based in spoilers. How is that spoiler material? It is speculation at best.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Exactly. For some characters, it really doesn't matter.

I really only care if the characters race is an important part of that character (ex. Black Panther) or if it is a historic setting where that race would either not be present at all or has a role that would be socially impossible in that setting (like a rich black industrialist in a western).

I personally would have had no problem with someone like Colin Salmon as Bond. In fact, I think he would have done a real good job in the role.

 

[vanson]

Soundtrack Samples :

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[DKDetective]

Considering how early it is suppose to be in Bond's career, I never had much trouble with that. Bond is still a new animal to her.

Thinking about the line from Mallory, I could see it coming after Bond "saves" him during the attack. That shot of Bond winking at Mallory in the IMAX trailer is the scene I am thinking of. Also, thinking back to the IMAX trailer, don't we see the office in that, when Mallory is talking to M?



It is a discussion of a possibility not based in spoilers. How is that spoiler material? It is speculation at best.

When Mallory is speaking with M in every scene shown, they are in an office with cream walls and white crown molding. It is pretty clear that that room is Mallory's office during his tenure as Chairperson of the Joint Intelligence and Security Committee. (which is confirmed as his position in Skyfall and, interestingly, the same position John Scarlett held before becoming head of MI6). In the "any word on Bond?" TV Spot, Mallory is shown leaning over the desk in the cream walled room reading documents in a way that suggests he is hard at work in his office while receiving a report from Dench M. The Classic M office has dark wood paneling on every wall and therefore, cannot be the same room.

I'm pretty sure the way things go down in the last act is:

Spoiler

Bond flees with M to Skyfall Lodge, Silva assaults the Lodge while Bond and Kincade do their best to hold them off. The Lodge looks lost so Kincade and M flee into the Moors while Bond tries to distract Silva and his forces. Bond gets bogged down and Silva kills M. Bond holds M as she dies, hence the soundtrack cue called "Mother". Bond chases down and kills Silva in revenge. Then, we get the Whitehall rooftop scene where Bond talks with Eve and she gives him some little box, probably containing some sort of memento of Dench M. Bond goes inside, meets the New M, Mallory, who asks him if he ready to get back to work. End.

 

[redhawk23]

So I was looking up Skyfall info and just read that it cost $50 million less then QoS. Did they just waste money on QoS or something? This film loos much bigger.

The production was very rushed which takes money, plus while some of them feel unneeded, and the editing completely ruins several of them, the film featured fairly large action set pieces, including air planes.

 

[Ajendo]

 

[redhawk23]

Is that not the blue suit with the color removed? There's even weird crop lines on the inseams. Or am I mistaken? Pic looks weird and the suit looks very much the same.

 

[obin_gam]

^haha yeah thats a kinda terrible photoshop job down at the pants, and I'm not just talking about the crop lines, but there a Smudge-tool there aswell. Lets hope whoever did that didnt get payed.

 

[Ajendo]

Mate, it's a black dinner suit......actually hmm maybe it's not.

 

[redhawk23]

Yeah that's totally the blue suit.

 

[Golgo-13]

So I was looking up Skyfall info and just read that it cost $50 million less then QoS. Did they just waste money on QoS or something? This film loos much bigger.

Well by the looks of Skyfall, a portion of it was filmed in the U.K, so that would save the crew from travelling, etc right there.

 

[Marvolo]

So I was looking up Skyfall info and just read that it cost $50 million less then QoS. Did they just waste money on QoS or something? This film loos much bigger.

In one of the development diaries they said that shooting in the UK allowed them to save money through incentives and tax cuts. It also allowed them to shoot on location and save on the cgi. Plus they didnt have to travel far from pinewood for the location shooting.

 

[Darkness Falls]

have to say, really love adele's skyfall theme
loving it more and more each time i hear it, honestly put it up there with the best bond themes

the movie looks great aswell

 

[The Joker]

Yes, if you ignore half of his films, they weren't THAT campy.

How can anyone argue there is anything equal here? He made Moonraker, The Man with the Golden Gun, and A View to Kill. Complete camp. He was in Live and Let Die and Octopussy, mostly camp. TSWLM and FYEO have plenty of camp.

TSWLM has Jaws, the car crashing through the roof of a house and a man exiting completely fine, a rocket sidecar, a car that can turn into a sub, and the chicken joke. All in one scene.

Nothing will top the Tarzan yell in Octopussy in terms of campy. I still can't believe they put that into a Bond movie.

 

[DJ Kornphlake]

Campiest thing to me was California Girls playing during the snowboarding scene in A View To A Kill.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

When Mallory is speaking with M in every scene shown, they are in an office with cream walls and white crown molding. It is pretty clear that that room is Mallory's office during his tenure as Chairperson of the Joint Intelligence and Security Committee. (which is confirmed as his position in Skyfall and, interestingly, the same position John Scarlett held before becoming head of MI6). In the "any word on Bond?" TV Spot, Mallory is shown leaning over the desk in the cream walled room reading documents in a way that suggests he is hard at work in his office while receiving a report from Dench M. The Classic M office has dark wood paneling on every wall and therefore, cannot be the same room.

I'm pretty sure the way things go down in the last act is:

Spoiler

Bond flees with M to Skyfall Lodge, Silva assaults the Lodge while Bond and Kincade do their best to hold them off. The Lodge looks lost so Kincade and M flee into the Moors while Bond tries to distract Silva and his forces. Bond gets bogged down and Silva kills M. Bond holds M as she dies, hence the soundtrack cue called "Mother". Bond chases down and kills Silva in revenge. Then, we get the Whitehall rooftop scene where Bond talks with Eve and she gives him some little box, probably containing some sort of memento of Dench M. Bond goes inside, meets the New M, Mallory, who asks him if he ready to get back to work. End.

Have you seen the IMAX trailer? Mallory is in a dark panel room when asking M if she knows where Bond is?

 

[DKDetective]

Have you seen the IMAX trailer? Mallory is in a dark panel room when asking M if she knows where Bond is?

I have. It is not a dark, paneled room. It is a darkly lit, cream room with white crown molding. There is a dark wood book shelf behind Mallory, but the walls are cream. All of the walls in the Classic M office are dark wood.

I couldn't find a good, clear version of the IMAX trailer, but there are two good shots of the scene in this TV Spot, which shows both Mallory and Dench M's ends of the room. If you look at the walls, it is clearly the same room that they have their conversation about her losing the drive, but that scene is during daylight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpVi37LAxJU

 

[redhawk23]

http://www.overthinkingit.com/2012/10/03/dr-no/ An awesome write up on Dr. No and the appeal and significance of James Bond as a character.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

The first paragraph is awesome!

But I could still sit down and watch Dr. No from beginning to end today, and I’m not alone in this. This is largely because so much of modern film storytelling can trace a direct lineage to Terence Young’s work with the Connery Bonds. The exotic methods of assassination, the madman holding the world hostage, the gunfights in exotic locales, the post-mortem one liner – James Bond, and Dr. No, gave us all of these. Granted, Hitchcock’s North by Northwest precedes it by three years and incorporates several of those same ideas. But it was the Bond series that took them from Hitchcock, in their seminal form, and put them through their paces.

 

[Slushy]

Yes, if you ignore half of his films, they weren't THAT campy.

How can anyone argue there is anything equal here? He made Moonraker, The Man with the Golden Gun, and A View to Kill. Complete camp. He was in Live and Let Die and Octopussy, mostly camp. TSWLM and FYEO have plenty of camp.

TSWLM has Jaws, the car crashing through the roof of a house and a man exiting completely fine, a rocket sidecar, a car that can turn into a sub, and the chicken joke. All in one scene.

I love how people trash Pierce Brosnan for Die Another Day yet want to give Roger Moore a free pass for his films. Its double standards.

 

[redhawk23]

^ I don't think anyone is giving a pass to Moonraker. Also though, Die Another Day came out in 2002. It simply doesn't meet the standards of a film made at that time. The special effects in particular are ridiculous.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

I love how people trash Pierce Brosnan for Die Another Day yet want to give Roger Moore a free pass for his films. Its double standards.

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