James Bond In Skyfall - - - Part 12

[DarthSkywalker]

I think the "what, where, how" part is taken care of the moment you buy a ticket with "James Bond: [Subtitle]" printed on it.

Personally, my ticket only said Skyfall. A few of the people sitting next to me were confused when Bond showed up. They were like, "WHAT?!? This is a Bond movie?"

Same happened when I went to see CR and QoS.

 

[spider-neil]

Go to Rotten tomatoes and virtually every review says words to the effect of 'and we're back on track after the disappointing QoS'.
I really thought it was just me that hated that movie, no, no, it gets a kicking pretty much across the board.

 

[Gianakin_]

Go to Rotten tomatoes and virtually every review says words to the effect of 'and we're back on track after the disappointing QoS'.
I really thought it was just me that hated that movie, no, no, it gets a kicking pretty much across the board.

It's not a matter of numbers. I get why people dislike QoS. It has plenty, plenty of shortcomings. But it tries, it's an honest to God movie. What baffles me is the kind of hate it gets, as if it's a crime to Bond lore, when there are ridiculous and badly made Bond movies out there that get a pass because they feature a couple meaningless Bond "tranditions" and auto-pilot cliches.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

GoldenEye is well liked though I do think its being protected by the 'Rosey glasses' brigade. It's a solid film and I like it, but I though Bond's lines were flat, the score was odd, and Tina Turner was not the right choice for the theme song. She doesn't represent the 90's.

I have a lot of sentimental feelings for GE. It was the first Bond film I remember seeing, but I have come to the realization after watching it again recently that there is a quite a bit wrong with it. But the villains and the PTS carry the day and it is the first of the "other" (those that aren't Connery's first four, Craig's trio and OHMSS) Bond films for me.

 

[Gianakin_]

Personally, my ticket only said Skyfall. A few of the people sitting next to me were confused when Bond showed up. They were like, "WHAT?!? This is a Bond movie?"

Same happened when I went to see CR and QoS.

I was being more figurative. My ticket said just Skyfall (or CR or QoS or or or...), too.

 

[Octoberist]

Go to Rotten tomatoes and virtually every review says words to the effect of 'and we're back on track after the disappointing QoS'.
I really thought it was just me that hated that movie, no, no, it gets a kicking pretty much across the board.

It is and many of the reviews just trash Marc Forester. It doesn't help that Marc's next film 'World War Z' looks like a complete CGI mess with horrid behind the scenes drama with the script changes, production problems and Pitt not getting along with Marc.

 

[Gianakin_]

I have a lot of sentimental feelings for GE. It was the first Bond film I remember seeing, but I have come to the realization after watching it again recently that there is a quite a bit wrong with it. But the villains and the PTS carry the day and it is the first of the "other" (those that aren't Connery's first four, Craig's trio and OHMSS) Bond films for me.

If that film had Dalton instead of Bros it wouldn't have been just arguably a good flick, I think.

 

[spider-neil]

So it is a comfort-level thing as oppose to an actual "make the best film possible" thing. Yeah, not really feeling that.

It is a comfort level thing. Like Spider-Man 3, a very disappointing movie but I was like, 'ah, at least I have the final swing' which didn't come. The swing wouldn't have saved the movie but at least part of my expectations would have been met.

I'm going get Skyfall on Blu ray (must buy) and now that I know the gunbarrel is at the end I wont be looking for it at the start but the first time I for Skyfall, yes, I was looking for gunbarrel.

 

[Slushy]

My problem with most complaints about QoS is that it is usually based around either things they ignore in the other films (complaints about the dialogue and weak script is ridiculous when they then go on to praise films like LTK or FYEO) or the film not having enough Bond cliches.

Except that FYEO and LTK were actually good movies that featured their Bond actor's best performance in the franchise IMO. Quantum Of Soulless was not that. Add in the fact Mathieu Amalric sucked as a villain and the pointless killing of a Bond ally.

 

[Bruce Malone]

It wasn't a big deal to me but i sort of wanted the gunbarrell at the begining because i thought it was actually very fitting for the gun barrel to be at the end of QoS. As for me the end of that film signaled his transition into the full james bond from the rookie bond.

So it was actually fitting to have the full bond gunbarell at the end of it. So skyfall should have been the movie to bring that back to the beginning but eh it wasn't a deal breaker.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Go to Rotten tomatoes and virtually every review says words to the effect of 'and we're back on track after the disappointing QoS'.
I really thought it was just me that hated that movie, no, no, it gets a kicking pretty much across the board.

Yeah, and how many of them saw it more then once? The vast majority haven't seen it since 2008. People being wrong on a massive scale does not change them being wrong.

It's not a matter of numbers. I get why people dislike QoS. It has plenty, plenty of shortcomings. But it tries, it's an honest to God movie. What baffles me is the kind of hate it gets, as if it's a crime to Bond lore, when there are ridiculous and badly made Bond movies out there that get a pass because they feature a couple meaningless Bond "tranditions" and auto-pilot cliches.

Bam! Exactly.

Also, don't understand the "Back on track" stuff. We have never been on this track before. CR, QoS and Skyfall might as well not even be the same series of films as the first 20.

It is like saying Batman Begins got Batman "back on track", when it has almost nothing in common with Batman '89.

 

[Gianakin_]

Except that FYEO and LTK were actually good movies that featured their Bond actor's best performance in the franchise IMO. Quantum Of Soulless was not that.

Weeeeell, QoS never gave me something as annoying as Bibi from FYEO or all the terrible humour, characters and gags of LTK. So I'm good.

 

[spider-neil]

It's not a matter of numbers. I get why people dislike QoS. It has plenty, plenty of shortcomings. But it tries, it's an honest to God movie. What baffles me is the kind of hate it gets, as if it's a crime to Bond lore, when there are ridiculous and badly made Bond movies out there that get a pass because they feature a couple meaningless Bond "tranditions" and auto-pilot cliches.

You make it sound like the likes of Moonraker and Tomorrow Never Dies get a pass, they don't.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Except that FYEO and LTK were actually good movies that featured their Bond actor's best performance in the franchise IMO. Quantum Of Soulless was not that. Add in the fact Mathieu Amalric sucked as a villain and the pointless killing of a Bond ally.

In what way are those good movies? Good for Bond post-Connery and pre-Craig maybe, but outside of that? Was it the ninjas?

 

[Gianakin_]

It wasn't a big deal to me but i sort of wanted the gunbarrell at the begining because i thought it was actually very fitting for the gun barrel to be at the end of QoS. As for me the end of that film signaled his transition into the full james bond from the rookie bond.

So it was actually fitting to have the full bond gunbarell at the end for that. So skyfall should have been the movie to bring that back to the begining.

I think SF did what QoS tried to do: Make Craig's Bod the "Bond we know". So, it made sense for both movies to have the gunbarrel at the end, it's just that one did its themes more justice than the other.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

You make it sound like the likes of Moonraker and Tomorrow Never Dies get a pass, they don't.

TND and Moonraker doesn't get a pass. People just refuse to acknowledge they exist.

 

[Octoberist]

Nah, FYEO didn't feature Moore's best performance; that was in SWLM. All Moore did was underplay his cocksure bravado.

 

[Gianakin_]

You make it sound like the likes of Moonraker and Tomorrow Never Dies get a pass, they don't.

Or DAF. or DAD. You'd be surprised. I'm serious.

 

[Slushy]

In what way are those good movies?

A serious Roger Moore and Timothy Dalton kicking ass. What more do you need?

No, Craig's subpar 2nd film deserves all the flack it gets.

 

[Octoberist]

TND and Moonraker doesn't get a pass. People just refuse to acknowledge they exist.

I like Moonraker strictly for its set designs and b-movie schlock.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Or DAF. or DAD. You'd be surprised. I'm serious.

DAF gets a pass because it does stupid "Bond" things.

 

[Octoberist]

Personally I think The World is Not Enough is slightly worse than DAD, though both are nearly unwatchable.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

A serious Roger Moore and Timothy Dalton kicking ass. What more do you need?

No, Craig's subpar 2nd film deserves all the flack it gets.

You think they kickass? Craig does more ass kicking in the first half and hour of QoS then Moore did his entire run. I like Dalton but you can only do so much in a movie with 80s ninjas.

 

[Bruce Malone]

I think SF did what QoS tried to do: Make Craig's Bod the "Bond we know". So, it made sense for both movies to have the gunbarrel at the end, it's just that one did its themes more justice than the other.

Yes, which is what i found a little strange i guess about skyfall i almost felt like they were going at the end for a reboot of a reboot vibe. Hell maybe they were trying to forget QoS happened?

 

[Gianakin_]

Personally I think The World is Not Enough is slightly worse than DAD, though both are nearly unwatchable.

Same here.