James Bond In Skyfall - - - Part 12

[Octoberist]

On a forum, someone said that Raoul Silva ([BLACKOUT] aka Tiago Rodriguez[/BLACKOUT]) was a Brazilian National working for MI6 and was mentioned by Javier himself. But I can't find the interview.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Well I hope the next Batman movies can learn something from these movies.

Christian Bale said a few years ago that Batman wasn't an interesting character because he was all scarred and withdrawn, something like that.

That's true. Keaton was withdrawn, and with that seemed a rather boring character. But Keaton managed to inject energy into the performance.

Kilmer was bland as ****, even though he was less withdrawn than Keaton's version. So Kilmer's blandness made the character seem boring, when he really wasn't supposed to.

With Bale, we could tell they dyed down on the emotionally scarred Bruce to give us something more energetic. But was he as interesting...yes, but not in the sense of being scarred.

But Bond's proven that with the right actor, and the correct sense of characterization for this, you can have an interesting emotionally scarred character.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

I think QoS when it comes down to Skyfall. Its the most recent jabs I can think of from fans and even EON and Craig. Actually Sam Mendes was the one who came to QoS's aid, stating it get unfairly bashed.

It's one thing to make a jab at QoS or the later Brosnan moves, but it gets overboard if they do it repeatedly. It ruins the point.

Link? Also, I agree, the hate is getting ridiculous.I saw someone say QoS was hands down the worst of the series... . As bad as DAD got (after the solid hour that it built up), and as average as TND/TWINE are, they're still solid fun, entertainment. Obviously, we know I adore Goldeneye. Lol

It's not a matter of numbers. I get why people dislike QoS. It has plenty, plenty of shortcomings. But it tries, it's an honest to God movie. What baffles me is the kind of hate it gets, as if it's a crime to Bond lore, when there are ridiculous and badly made Bond movies out there that get a pass because they feature a couple meaningless Bond "tranditions" and auto-pilot cliches.

Nice to see Quantum get some love.

 

[Octoberist]

Trust me, I tried to find Mendes' comment, but it's tough since there's so many articles out there. Even with Google. But I remember him saying that QoS got unfairly bashed. It was just a single line.

 

[protocida]

"Tiago" is actually the Spanish equivalent of "James".

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Oh, I believe you. I tried looking it up and got articles that only brought up his name and how bad Quantum was. Lol

 

[Octoberist]

exactly. it was a small blurb and it's impossible to find.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Peter travers of rolling stone was the worst. He listed QoS as his worst ever bond film in his ranking on bond films and refered to it as "putrid" in his very positive review of skyfall...

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Peter travers of rolling stone was the worst. He listed QoS as his worst ever bond film in his ranking on bond films and refered to it as "putrid" in his very positive review of skyfall...

Yeah I saw that. Also, I was at B&N, and picked up a bond magazine, which ranked it as the 22nd/23rd worst of the series. Just the thought of someone thinking Man W/Golden gun, Moonraker, DAD, and Diamonds are Forever are better..

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

I've gone on rants about MWTGG, so you guys know which one I think is worst.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Yeah I saw that. Also, I was at B&N, and picked up a bond magazine, which ranked it as the 22nd/23rd worst of the series. Just the thought of someone thinking Man W/Golden gun, Moonraker, DAD, and Diamonds are Forever are better..

I think QOS suffers from what I call the "hype" factor. Look at any movie that comes after a highly anticipated sequel, and if it doesn't live up, look at how intense the hate can be.

Spider-man 3 is a perfect example. The hype for that was metoric, only being surpassed by TDK. And the fallout was equally huge. There were people calling SM3 the wost Superhero movie ever, which is ridiculous when you look at some of the truly bad superhero flicks out there (Steel, Supergirl, Howard the Duck...ect) But the anticipation was so high that people felt supremely let down by SM3, which is why they reacted so harshly.

I think Quantum suffers from the same effect. CR was very well recieved and people expected a sequel with the quality that Skyfall produced. So people really reacted strongly against it.

Was QOS a great movie, heck no, but it was okay. Certainly nowhere near one of the worst Bond films ever. Heck, I'd take it over almost any Moore film.

 

[DarthDorranceBane]

I would like to share this tidbit about the Bond films:

In the original continuity, her name is Barbara Mawdsley, as said in the Goldeneye screenplay and Raymond Benson's novels.

Her first name in the Craig films continuity is Myra (as said by Silva) and is later mistaken as Emma by Kincade.

An entry from http://www.jamesbondwiki.com/page/M.

This got me thinking: I know that the continuity of the films is screwy at best and this may have come from an unofficial Bond website but it seems like it is generally accepted that the Bonds before Craig is one set of the same continuity apart from Craig, and Craig era is a reboot... or is it?

 

[Octoberist]

I think Skyfall furthers blur the lines anyway so Dench's real name doesn't matter.. The only loose link would be Felix, and his disfigurement from 'License to Kill'.

Honestly, continuity is so loose that it doesn't matter anymore, despite the best intentions.

 

[protocida]

Craig's movies are a reboot. They stand on their own.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

I think QOS suffers from what I call the "hype" factor. Look at any movie that comes after a highly anticipated sequel, and if it doesn't live up, look at how intense the hate can be.

Spider-man 3 is a perfect example. The hype for that was metoric, only being surpassed by TDK. And the fallout was equally huge. There were people calling SM3 the wost Superhero movie ever, which is ridiculous when you look at some of the truly bad superhero flicks out there (Steel, Supergirl, Howard the Duck...ect) But the anticipation was so high that people felt supremely let down by SM3, which is why they reacted so harshly.

I think Quantum suffers from the same effect. CR was very well recieved and people expected a sequel with the quality that Skyfall produced. So people really reacted strongly against it.

Was QOS a great movie, heck no, but it was okay. Certainly nowhere near one of the worst Bond films ever. Heck, I'd take it over almost any Moore film.

Well said! I actually place Quantum in my top 5 for Bond movies (Skyfall,Goldeneye, Casino Royale, Goldfinger, and Quantum), and would definitely take it over any of the Moore films (though I did enjoy FYEO/SWLM).

 

[Octoberist]

Craig's movies are a reboot. They stand on their own.

No, you're right. but you say that now, but with Skyfall and in future movies, the blurring will increase. And most of the general public doesn't care anyway.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Wait, when did Silva say her name? I missed that on both showings.

 

[TheVileOne]

I'd hardly call Quantum of Solace putrid. Some mis-steps for sure. But putrid?

I mean Die Another Die . . . seriously.

M said Silva's real name when they left him in his holding cell. She said his name is Thiago Rodriguez.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

No, you're right. but you say that now, but with Skyfall and in future movies, the blurring will increase. And most of the general public doesn't care anyway.

It's true. My dad still likes to think of Casino as a updated Prequel to the series. Having Skyfall pretty much giving the ability to lead into Dr. No doesn't help his opinion either. Lol

 

[Octoberist]

I don't recall Silva calling 'M' anything else but 'M'. I think it's just his Spanish accent.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

I'd hardly call Quantum of Solace putrid. Some mis-steps for sure. But putrid?

I mean Die Another Die . . . seriously.

M said Silva's real name when they left him in his holding cell. She said his name is Thiago Rodriguez.

Yeah, I got that. I was talking about Silva saying M's name.

 

[Bruce Malone]

I think QOS suffers from what I call the "hype" factor. Look at any movie that comes after a highly anticipated sequel, and if it doesn't live up, look at how intense the hate can be.

Spider-man 3 is a perfect example. The hype for that was metoric, only being surpassed by TDK. And the fallout was equally huge. There were people calling SM3 the wost Superhero movie ever, which is ridiculous when you look at some of the truly bad superhero flicks out there (Steel, Supergirl, Howard the Duck...ect) But the anticipation was so high that people felt supremely let down by SM3, which is why they reacted so harshly.

I think Quantum suffers from the same effect. CR was very well recieved and people expected a sequel with the quality that Skyfall produced. So people really reacted strongly against it.

Was QOS a great movie, heck no, but it was okay. Certainly nowhere near one of the worst Bond films ever. Heck, I'd take it over almost any Moore film.

Which is why i feel the follow-up to skyfall is gonna have a lot to overcome as well. Good bond films rarely follow each other at least not for a while. It's gonna be extra hard seeing if they really are trying to release 24 in 2 years as skyfall actually benefited from all the mgm downtime.

 

[Spider-Fan]

While your flexing your power, can we have a Bond section please? This forum needs it.....

I actually suggested this. So, working on it

 

[Rodrigo90]

Well, he may not have superpowers or a costume. but he's sure super to everyone here...yeah

 

[Hunter Rider]

I doubt there will be a Bond section, we had one before and it got cut, I talked to Mirko and I don't think the site intends going there again.