James Bond In Skyfall - - - Part 12

[El Hombre Gato]

there is still gonna be hold over from other countries etc.

The film was released on October 26th. Other countries are pretty much done. For Skyfall to reach a billion, it's gonna have to rely on those three markets you mentioned.

For a Bond movie to be doing these numbers right now in this day and age is pretty impressive.

It IS impressive. There is no doubt about it. Skyfall deserves a lot of credit for its accomplishments... but so do the other two gorillas in the room. Goldfinger and Thunderball may have been released in an era where cinema dominated but that doesn't mean every single film was a giant hit. In fact, it's the opposite. Only a handful managed to do so. People like to dismiss Gone with the Wind, but besides Wizard of Oz, what other movie from 1939 is still in the record books? You gotta give these old movies credit as well.

 

[TheVileOne]

El Hombre Gato, I'm not denying how revolutionary and important the classic Bond movies were. They basically were and defined themselves as the original action adventure and popcorn movies of their era.

But I mean circumstances were still so different back then. I think its more impressive what Skyfall has done because it comes out at a time where theatrical distribution is sort of dying. Film is almost dead as well at this point too. Everything has become so segmented. Most casual moviegoers will see about 3-5 movies a year tops.

 

[El Hombre Gato]

I think its more impressive what Skyfall has done because it comes out at a time where theatrical distribution is sort of dying.

In that case... let's give the real credit to The Avengers and Dark Knight Rises. Or even an R-rated comedy like Ted. Skyfall's biggest accomplishment is being the biggest Bond film since the `60s. And to be fair, being the 50th anniversary probably helped a great deal.

 

[TheVileOne]

Of course all those things helped. IMAX release helped it as well. Plus the 4 year wait between this and Quantum of Solace.

I think you are being too defensive over it, but oh well. But yes this is the most popular movie of the franchise since the 1960's releases so yes it deserves credit and recognition for that.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

In that case... let's give the real credit to The Avengers and Dark Knight Rises. Or even an R-rated comedy like Ted. Skyfall's biggest accomplishment is being the biggest Bond film since the `60s. And to be fair, being the 50th anniversary probably helped a great deal.

Uh, isn't Skyfall already the biggest Bond of all time?

 

[TheVileOne]

Not by adjusted numbers .

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Not by adjusted numbers .

So in real money, Skyfall is number 1. Good to know.

 

[CConn]

Uh, isn't Skyfall already the biggest Bond of all time?

Yeah, but it still won't put up the numbers TA and TDKR did.

That's his point, I think; it's a great accomplishment for Bond, but it's not like its another Avatar or anything BO-wise.

 

[Golgo-13]

Hayley Atwell can play anyone she wants. Emily Blunt too....

The only playing i want Hayley Atwell to do is in my underwear.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I fully support Hayley Atwell playing a Bond girl or a Doctor Who companion.

I wanted her for Eve. Would of been so much better.

 

[El Hombre Gato]

So in real money

What about TICKET SALES?

Thunderball - 74.8 million
Goldfinger - 66.3 million
YOLT - 35.9 million
Skyfall - 28.4 million and counting.

Next time, try to follow the conversation.

it's a great accomplishment for Bond, but it's not like its another Avatar or anything BO-wise.

Indeed.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

What about TICKET SALES?

Thunderball - 74.8 million
Goldfinger - 66.3 million
YOLT - 35.9 million
Skyfall - 28.4 million and counting.

Next time, try to follow the conversation.



Indeed.

Ticket sales are irrelevant, especially in this day and age with piracy and home video. What matters is a PG-13 Bond has the ability to make $900 million.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

So what are is your point El Hombre? It's not impressive? Because it is. It's not as impressive as Avatar? No s**t. Also, spy movies don't make as much as superhero or Sci-fi tentpoles (Titanic is the only exception). It hasn't sold as many tickets as movies in the 60s? If the last one is your point El Hombre, you should be the one actually pay attention to peoples posts since posters already mentioned the circumstances are different between today and the 60s.

No one is passing this off as revolutionary, so what's your point? I can't help but think you are bordering (note I said bordering) on Trolling.

 

[CConn]

Not to get into a whole other debate, but I find it rather ironic that several people who thought Prometheus was poorly written love Skyfall, and I - as someone who loved Prometheus and is so so on Skyfall - think that Skyfall was pretty poorly written.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

While I'm not going to say anything about Prometheus, Didn't you say you thought the problem was the execution a few days ago in the unpopular opinions thread?

 

[CConn]

Execution in the writing itself, yes. The general concept/plot of Skyfall is great, but they way in which they fleshed out those concepts was extremely heavy handed and amateurish, IMO - aka, poorly written.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Fair enough. I stated my reasons why I felt of wasn't in the unpopular opinions thread. If I wasnt on my phone I'd post it here. The execution I felt was well done. The message was clear, and I feel that it wasn't as heavy handed as other tentpole movies have been, especially not as much as the movie it drew inspiration from the most.

 

[El Hombre Gato]

Ticket sales are irrelevant, especially in this day and age with piracy and home video.

I highly disagree. Thunderball sold 74 million tickets. Which seems a lot in comparison to Skyfall, but you know what movies sold MORE than Thunderball? The Avengers. So just because we live in an era with many other options doesn't mean large masses of people no longer go to the movie theaters.

It's not impressive? Because it is.

I agree and I said that already. Skyfall becoming the biggest Bond film since the `60s is a major accomplishment... but let's not forget the two gorillas in the room: Goldfinger and Thunderball. That's all I'm saying.

 

[Octoberist]

When it comes to box office talk, when something earns some sort of success and then someone all of suddens equates how it still doesn't touch Avatar's BO, it becomes a silly game of '1-up'.

It's like if your kid had a 3.7 GPA all his life and gets a 4.0 in his senior year....Then your neighbor reigns on your parade by stating HIS kid has maintained a 4.3 in his entire academic career. Who cares? It's dismissive and awful.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Execution in the writing itself, yes. The general concept/plot of Skyfall is great, but they way in which they fleshed out those concepts was extremely heavy handed and amateurish, IMO - aka, poorly written.

Could you give some examples? I am not a the biggest fan of the parts in Asia, but as a whole it is far superior in terms of writing when it comes to Prometheus.

 

[CConn]

Fair enough. I stated my reasons why I felt of wasn't in the unpopular opinions thread. If I wasnt on my phone I'd post it here. The execution I felt was well done. The message was clear, and I feel that it wasn't as heavy handed as other tentpole movies have been, especially not as much as the movie it drew inspiration from the most.

See, I think it's just a matter of different people looking for different things from a movie, or it's writing.

Maybe it's overly simplistic to say you look at the whys, and I look at the hows of a film's writing, but it's something similar to that.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I highly disagree. Thunderball sold 74 million tickets. Which seems a lot in comparison to Skyfall, but you know what movies sold MORE than Thunderball? The Avengers. So just because we live in an era with many other options doesn't mean large masses of people no longer go to the movie theaters.



I agree and I said that already. Skyfall becoming the biggest Bond film since the `60s is a major accomplishment... but let's not forget the two gorillas in the room: Goldfinger and Thunderball. That's all I'm saying.

When Avengers 23 comes out we can have this talk.

Also, we aren't in the middle of the true Bond canon being written. This isn't a situations where is considered super relevant. It is the comic book heroes and the books of today that are at the forefront. And Bond still smashes and makes a lot more money then any of the films that came before.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Avengers 23 : "we're getting too old for this ****"

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Avengers 23 : "we're getting too old for this ****"

More like, "We Got too old for this **** 15 movies ago". t:

 

[A Necessary Evil]

More like, "We Got too old for this **** 15 movies ago". t: