James Bond In Skyfall - - - - - Part 14

[titansupes]

Judi Dench's M in the Brosnan era is totally not the same as Judi Dench's M in the Craig era. Despite being Judy Dench.

She seems the same as the Brosnan era in QoS and SF. In CR, especially her first few scenes, she seems more openly aggressive, which I liked.

Skyfall had far too many of them, IMHO.

Absolutely. The whole Astin Martin thing was so jarring for me.

 

[redhawk23]

^He won the Astin Martin in Casino Royale. People forget this.

 

[CConn]

Yes, and in Casino Royals it was actually handled well and subtly; fans could see it and appreciate it, but they didn't bash it over your head.

In Skyfall you could practically hear Mendes shouting from off camera "hey look everybody, its the Austin Martin!!!!"

 

[Spoonman]

She seems the same as the Brosnan era in QoS and SF. In CR, especially her first few scenes, she seems more openly aggressive, which I liked.

There may be similarities, is the same actress after all, but is still not the same "M" despite being played by Judi Dench, the character was also rebooted wit CR. In the Brosnan era she was just arriving as M meanwhile the rebooted M was already in place and she was the one to grant 00 status to Bond.

 

[redhawk23]

Yes, and in Casino Royals it was actually handled well and subtly; fans could see it and appreciate it, but they didn't bash it over your head.

In Skyfall you could practically hear Mendes shouting from off camera "hey look everybody, its the Austin Martin!!!!"

Oh my god you mean they have Bond drive a car that he's owned since the first movie in the series?! Oh my god! How offensive and over the top!

 

[CConn]

Please. It's obviously more than that as this conversation started with the whole ejector seat reference.

 

[titansupes]

^He won the Astin Martin in Casino Royale. People forget this.

Yes, and in Casino Royals it was actually handled well and subtly; fans could see it and appreciate it, but they didn't bash it over your head.

In Skyfall you could practically hear Mendes shouting from off camera "hey look everybody, its the Austin Martin!!!!"

Exactly. In CR "Heh, the Astin Martin. Nice." In SF, with the big reveal shot and music "OMGZ! Does everbody remember Goldfinger? Rememeber how much we liked that one?! Even the little red button!!" Annoying. And it didn't fit with the tone of the rest of the movie, especially that sequence.

There may be similarities, is the same actress after all, but is still not the same "M" despite being played by Judi Dench, the character was also rebooted wit CR. In the Brosnan era she was just arriving as M meanwhile the rebooted M was already in place and she was the one to grant 00 status to Bond.

That's what I'm saying? I should've put the word 'But' When I said "Especially in CR". She was more openly aggressive throughout that movie. She also dressed slightly differently, and even her fast walk in her first scene all combined to show her as a different M. In CR, that is. And also the difference in the timeline of her and Bond's careers that you pointed out.

 

[redhawk23]

This was a film with a villain with a private island lair and facial deformations. Also Komodo dragons. Excuse me if a car that the character has long been established as owning doesn't seem particularly out of place.

 

[CConn]

Again, that's not at all what we're talking about.

We don't have problem that it was there, we have a problem with how it was presented.

If you can't comprehend the fundamental difference between those two things, we might as well not even discuss it.

 

[ChickenScratch]

There may be similarities, is the same actress after all, but is still not the same "M" despite being played by Judi Dench, the character was also rebooted wit CR. In the Brosnan era she was just arriving as M meanwhile the rebooted M was already in place and she was the one to grant 00 status to Bond.

We should have caught on from CR that this was not the same M but we took it for granted. Brosnan's M took over from Sir Miles, Bond was already in place. The M of CR gives Bond his 00. They just addressed it in SF but we should have caught on right.

 

[redhawk23]

Again, that's not at all what we're talking about.

We don't have problem that it was there, we have a problem with how it was presented.

If you can't comprehend the fundamental difference between those two things, we might as well not even discuss it.

Again, I don't have a problem with how it is used and presented in the film.

I simply disagree and find it to be an odd thing to complain about to be quite honest. I didn't find it overly obnoxious, any more than most things in the movie.

If anything the closest thing to the problem I have to what you are describing is the reveal of Moneypenny, which for the characters isn't a reveal at all.

 

[CConn]

Again, I don't have a problem with how it is used and presented in the film.

I simply disagree and find it to be an odd thing to complain about to be quite honest.

Only that's not what you've been saying for your past 3-4 posts, but whatever you say.

 

[CConn]

Oh, and I think the Moneypenny thing sticks out a lot less to be because (1) she's not an inanimate object that they for some reason felt the need to glorify and (2) by the point in the movie Craig's Bond was being so shoehorned into Connery's I was half expecting to see him in the toupee from Dr. No in that final scene.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I can fully accept all of that because it was the 50th anniversary, to me that warrants so exception with this sort of thing.

 

[CConn]

Nostalgia is for old people.

That's right.

 

[regwec]

Oh no I hate when Bond films break the fourth wall. It was dreadful when Lazenby did it. That really started his reign off on a bad foot and it didn't get better.

That would have been incredibly cheesy.

Then you get those who start screaming about Bond being a codename and all that garbage.

I was obviously joking.

 

[Bruce Malone]

I was obviously joking.

Haha well based on those quotes maybe not "obviously".

 

[regwec]

Fair point. I must just be held in lower esteem than I thought.

 

[gwynplaine]

Nostalgia is for old people.

That's right.

Not really, just look at all the younger people on the Hype who grew up on films like B89, Hook, SM3, SW prequels etc. and still think they are great films just because it brings them right back to their childhood. I might be wrong, but I think there really is no age to be nostalgic.

 

[samsnee]

Nostalgia is a crutch used when there is a possibility of change.

 

[Roose Bolton]

It's been 50 years since the first film of the franchise. How many others can say the same?

Let them be nostalgic when it calls for it, and to me it certainly called for it in this film.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Well at least they stopped themselves from going overboard. Mendes in an interview said he considered bringing back Connery for the Kincade character before deciding against it.

That would have been dreadful, i think the villains would have actually been winked to death in that case by Craig and connery fighting side by side.

 

[gwynplaine]

Well at least they stopped themselves from going overboard. Mendes in an interview said he considered bringing back Connery for the Kincade character before deciding against it.

That would have been dreadful, i think the villains would have actually been winked to death in that case by Craig and connery fighting side by side.

I'm pretty sure Connery would have never done it. For many different reasons.

 

[Bruce Malone]

True, it's still sad his potential last film ever is "The League of extraordinary gentleman".

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Well at least they stopped themselves from going overboard. Mendes in an interview said he considered bringing back Connery for the Kincade character before deciding against it.

That would have been dreadful, i think the villains would have actually been winked to death in that case by Craig and connery fighting side by side.

I knew they wrote the role with him in mind. Too obvious.