James Bond In Skyfall - Part 3

[ChickenScratch]

Ok, I will, thank you
I'm about to see DAF but I forgot to say 2 things: that I laugh every time I see the first gunbarrel scene, with the "little jump" of the guy before he shoots:
[YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDg2NmpFzJE[/YT]
And the second one, where the guy is struggling not to fall:
[YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdNv5c5pKt0&feature=related[/YT]
Also, I really like the credits sequences. Is one of the things I look forward the most every time I see the next one. It's cool to see how technology gets more advanced as the years go by.
Ok, enough. I'm gonna see that movie!

The whole thing with DAF and Bond's encounter with Ernst is that he didn't react as angrily as he should. But remember, that no matter how badly adapted DAF is, it's still a story set before Bond even met Tracy so it's kinda right. DAF - 1956, OHMSS - 1963, gotta keep the publishing order of the books in mind because heck, Blofeld wasn't even the villain of DAF anyways, but I guess the Spangled Mob led by the Spang Brothers (who work way better as Vegas mobsters than the movie alternative) didnt sound cool enough.

One of the pitfalls of adapting books out of order ... and throwing villains into stories they don't belong in (like Ernst in DAF).

 

[Dark Raven]

I remember at the time that Quantum of Solace was heavily influenced by the Jason Bourne films, so that might explain the serious editing problems, and the fact that it was a very different Bond from Casino Royale.

Except that the Bourne movies are not just a flurry of action and activity. They're edited with a fast pace, but not quite like QOS. QOS is just overdone, as if it's a poor attempt at Bourne.

The Bond movies should never forget exactly what they are. They shouldn't try to imitate Bourne too much. What they need to imitate is early Bond (so that they're not simply a parody of themselves), and certainly not Bourne.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

But it wasn't about keeping the publishing order in mind with EON at all. They wanted to ignore OHMSS because Lazenby was gone, had a lukewarm reaction, and Connery was coming back. They wanted to make the movie a follow up to You Only Live Twice instead of On Her Majesty's Secret Service.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I think Brosnan is one of those chaps who softened with age quite quickly. In Goldeneye, he seemed lean but threatening in a cat-like way, just as Bond should be. But from TND onwards, he seemed to morph into Hugh Grant.

Craig is not so classically handsome, but he has one of those rugged faces that will probably look much the same at 50 as it did at 30.

Part of the problem with Brosnan is that they missed his prime. The best time for him to be Bond would have been in the late 80s-early 90s. Goldeneye is just at the tail end of this. Even by TND he's starting to look older. Had Brosnan been able to keep the role for the Living Daylights instead of getting screwed over by NBC, he'd probably be viewed as second only to Connery.

 

[DyeLorean]

Except that the Bourne movies are not just a flurry of action and activity. They're edited with a fast pace, but not quite like QOS. QOS is just overdone, as if it's a poor attempt at Bourne.

Exactly, but besides, the Bourne movies actually have an artistic decision for using that kind of editing, it reflects the frenetic actions of the character, it enhances them.
QoS was an attempt, and they didn't succeed.

After reading this pages for a while, I'm surprised that Casino Royale came out as good as it is. It had a lot of things against; the decision of Daniel Craig was heavily critized (before even seeing him playing the character), how many years have passed since the previous one, how it was gonna work as a reboot for the character, etc. I'm saying this because it doesn't get mentioned very often here, no negative comments. Which I'm glad, it's one of my favorites.

 

[Dark Raven]

Part of the problem with Brosnan is that they missed his prime. The best time for him to be Bond would have been in the late 80s-early 90s. Goldeneye is just at the tail end of this. Even by TND he's starting to look older. Had Brosnan been able to keep the role for the Living Daylights instead of getting screwed over by NBC, he'd probably be viewed as second only to Connery.

I don't think he was really in his prime before in the late 80s. He looked far too thin, too metrosexual and not rugged enough. Even in Goldeneye, he still had that look. In TND he had a slightly more masculine look and had also deliberately put on some weight (he had hit the gym) so that he looked better built. I think he looked at his most suitable in TND and maybe TWINE. By DAD he looked like he'd been hitting the pork pies and doughnuts.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

I actually liked the long haired look in GE. I wish he kept the long hair.

 

[ChickenScratch]

But it wasn't about keeping the publishing order in mind with EON at all. They wanted to ignore OHMSS because Lazenby was gone, had a lukewarm reaction, and Connery was coming back. They wanted to make the movie a follow up to You Only Live Twice instead of On Her Majesty's Secret Service.

They wanted it to follow YOLT? Shows how much attention I pay. But YOLT is the second to last Bond novel by Fleming and following it up with a story that came out in the previous decade without the same villains, etc. Quite a change huh?

Oh well, it is what it is. That's why my default in things Bond related goes to books.

 

[jmc]

OHMSS will sadly go down as the Bond film that should have been the best of the series. Goldfinger and Russia With Love usually are the ones fighting it out for top spot (with good reason) but I maintain that had Connery been in OHMSS it would undoubtedly be the one that tops most people's list. Lazenby is just awkward to watch at times , the supporting cast is great, Telly Savalis, Diana Rigg etc but it was such a bad decision to give such an important part to a complete novice.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

That's what happens when you hand Bond over to a man with no acting experience.

I say also that The Spy Who Loved Me with Blofeld as the villain as originally planned could have also been up there. It would have made that movie even more layered than it was.

 

[The Navigator]

OHMSS will sadly go down as the Bond film that should have been the best of the series. Goldfinger and Russia With Love usually are the ones fighting it out for top spot (with good reason) but I maintain that had Connery been in OHMSS it would undoubtedly be the one that tops most people's list. Lazenby is just awkward to watch at times , the supporting cast is great, Telly Savalis, Diana Rigg etc but it was such a bad decision to give such an important part to a complete novice.

"This never happened to that other fellow."

 

[jmc]

I hate that line.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I thought we'd be swimming in set pics by now.

 

[The Navigator]

Edit.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

I hate that line.

Originally, it was supposed to be a reference to Cinderella (hence him hold her shoe), but Lewis Gilbert decided to tighten up the camera for medium close up shot, cutting the shoe out, and break the fourth wall.

 

[Visceral]

is there a trailer for this thing yet? ****.

 

[Boom]

Must see Bardem and Fiennes in costume.

Now.

 

[DyeLorean]

Must see Bardem and Fiennes in costume.

Now.

That post and your avatar make sense t:

 

[Dark Raven]

OHMSS will sadly go down as the Bond film that should have been the best of the series. Goldfinger and Russia With Love usually are the ones fighting it out for top spot (with good reason) but I maintain that had Connery been in OHMSS it would undoubtedly be the one that tops most people's list. Lazenby is just awkward to watch at times , the supporting cast is great, Telly Savalis, Diana Rigg etc but it was such a bad decision to give such an important part to a complete novice.

Agree. OHMSS is a good story and the filming is good, but the reason I don't watch it often is precisely because Lazenby just seems an amateur in the role. The fact that he even had to be dubbed when undercover as Hilary Bray makes it even more pronounced. As much as I like YOLT, Connery should have done this film in place of that film, and then YOLT could have been his swan song.

The only other movie I wish Connery did was Casino Royale. If EON started Bond just a few years earlier (either in the late 50s or 1960) we could've had CR before Dr No and then OHMSS towards the end of his run. He would have had an even more classic and impressive Bond film run than he already does. Just imagine this:

Sean Connery in Casino Royale, Dr No, From Russia With Love, Goldfinger, Thunderball, On Her Majesty's Secret Service and You Only Live Twice. Seven classic films that would be unmatchable.

I'm not sure who I would give DAF to. Maybe Roger Moore? Or maybe as the one off assigned to George Lazenby?

 

[Rocketman]

OHMSS is the best Bond movie ever. I'll defend that movie until I die.

My personal Top 10:

1. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
2. Goldfinger
3. Casino Royale
4. The Spy Who Loved Me
5. Tomorrow Never Dies
6. GoldenEye
7. The Living Daylights
8. You Only Live Twice
9. Dr. No
10. Live and Let Die

 

[Dark Raven]

My personal top 10 are:

1. From Russia With Love
2. Goldfinger
3. Dr No
4. Thunderball
5. You Only Live Twice
6. The Spy Who Loved Me
7. Octopussy
8. The Living Daylights
9. Moonraker
10. Casino Royale

OHMSS falls into a weird in-between territory for me. It's a good story and should be a good film, but is let down by Lazenby, who makes it not very watchable. If it had Connery, it would've been in my top 10.

My bottom 11, from worst to better are:

1. Die Another Day
2. Quantum of Solace
3. The Man With The Golden Gun
4. Diamonds Are Forever
5. Tomorrow Never Dies
6. The World Is Not Enough
7. Live And Let Die
8. A View To A Kill
9. Goldeneye
10. Licence To Kill
11. For Your Eyes Only

The films with the best musical scores, IMO are:

1. From Russia With Love
2. Goldfinger
3. You Only Live Twice
4. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
5. The Living Daylights
6. Thunderball
7. Moonraker
8. Casino Royale
9. Octopussy
10. Diamonds Are Forever

 

[Tacit Ronin]

The lack of From Russia with love is disturbing, Rocketman.

 

[The Navigator]

Why no love for GoldenEye, DR?

 

[Homer J. Fong]

OHMSS is the best Bond movie ever. I'll defend that movie until I die.

My personal Top 10:

1. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
2. Goldfinger
3. Casino Royale
4. The Spy Who Loved Me
5. Tomorrow Never Dies
6. GoldenEye
7. The Living Daylights
8. You Only Live Twice
9. Dr. No
10. Live and Let Die

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who likes Tomorrow Never Dies.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Personally, DR, I think Live and Let Die is up there with some of those scores.

Here's my list:

The elite 8 (The best in my opinion)
1. From Russia With Love
2. Goldeneye
3. Goldfinger
4. The Spy Who Loved Me
5. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
6. Casino Royale
7. Thunderball
8. Dr. No

The good ones:
9. The Living Daylights
10. You Only Live Twice
11. For Your Eyes Only
12. Live and Let Die

The "meh" ones (the average ones)
13. License to Kill
14. Tomorrow Never Dies

The below average movies:
15. Quantum of Solace
16. The World is Not Enough
17. Octopussy

The worst
18. A View to a Kill
19. Moonraker
20. Diamonds Are Forever
21. Die Another Day
22. The Man With The Golden Gun