James Bond In Skyfall - Part 6

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Great post man. I agree.

As for this Ian's Bond is Not Film's Bond. They can argue it till they are blue in the face, it's the same character. Just different.

I also don't hold to any movie continuity. There's is one timeline and it is Ian's (which includes Higson, Amis, Faulks, Gardner and Beson, everything else it's in there (and it does fit).

I agree with that. I just look at it as completely different interpretations, much like a long-running comic series like Batman, Supes or any of the other heroes.

There's Ian's Bond (which ties with the Bond of Colonel Sun, I'd gather), Gardner's, Benson's and the other small-time authors of late.

Then there's the film interpretations. Connery through Brosnan and the new timeline with Craig.

Same character, just slightly different takes all the way through. Still enjoyable none-the-less.
 
Well that one of the things that makes Bond great. He's a timeless character. He can be used in many different time periods, many different styles and tones. Batman is similar.
 
Exactly. Why do you think Bond has lasted for 50 years?
 
I'm in love with that teaser. It was well done and the cinematography looks incredible.
 
What?

It's a reboot. Why is that hard to grasp? It has started over. Just because they didn't reboot before doesn't mean they should have never done it ever.

In Goldeneye Bond suggest Dench M just arrived. In Casino Royale he's just becoming a 00 agent and Dench M has been there a while.

They obviously are NOT related. How is it hard to imagine a new continuum in the Bond series.

These things aren't made to cater to what we want, if it were we'd have Goldfinger 34 times.

The charge of a team making up these films is to give us something enjoyable whilst also pushing the limits and giving us something new.

It's time to open our eyes and realize we don't always know what's best for our favorite things. Part of the joy is seeing where it goes, if it fails like DAD then we frown, if it works like CR we smile.

But allow them the chance to try to be different without *****ing about it. We're not owed Bond films, we're not entitled to them.

they are creative works that thrive on being creative, different and ever changing.

Great post man. I agree.

As for this Ian's Bond is Not Film's Bond. They can argue it till they are blue in the face, it's the same character. Just different.

I also don't hold to any movie continuity. There's is one timeline and it is Ian's (which includes Higson, Amis, Faulks, Gardner and Beson, everything else it's in there (and it does fit).

I'm inclined to agree. Ever since they chose to adapt Dr. No first and then adapted them out of the order from Fleming, it's been a pretty different story.
 
Whoa, didn't notice that! How weird.

The only thing stopping this teaser from being totally great is the lack of the Bond-theme. Though I do like the electronic-tinged music we do hear.


The theme is there.

Word Association scene- Slow slightly sad version





And once again this would have made for an AWESOME Joker scene if Ledger were alive

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M- Some men, just want to watch the world burn.
 
I haven't actually given my thoughts on the trailer yet but I loved it from the first viewing. It works on every level for me and it shows just enough. I'm pretty certain the final theatrical trailer will have the Bond theme and from the sounds of the music in this teaser, I'm sure it'll be dub-step but I could honestly care less because the movie looks absolutely incredible. The production value looks higher than ever for this series and the photography is just gorgeous and stunning. I really don't think the bar for this movie hype wise can get any higher for me.
 
That was one badass teaser. I complained a while back that I was sick of seeing still photos and was anxious to see some actual footage, and well, it was worth the wait. It was a little weird overall... the dialogue at the very beginning was odd but I'm sure it will make a lot more sense once we see the whole picture.

Also, I didn't get a "Nolan" vibe from it at all. People seriously need to let go of their animosity or whatever it is because it's really getting annoying seeing his name dragged into every thread on these boards for no reason. "They're trying to make Spider-Man look like a Nolan movie! They're turning James Bond into a Nolan movie!" Enough already. Go vent your frustrations in some desolate wasteland where they can be properly ignored (like the IMDB boards).
 
That was one badass teaser. I complained a while back that I was sick of seeing still photos and was anxious to see some actual footage, and well, it was worth the wait. It was a little weird overall... the dialogue at the very beginning was odd but I'm sure it will make a lot more sense once we see the whole picture.

Also, I didn't get a "Nolan" vibe from it at all. People seriously need to let go of their animosity or whatever it is because it's really getting annoying seeing his name dragged into every thread on these boards for no reason. "They're trying to make Spider-Man look like a Nolan movie! They're turning James Bond into a Nolan movie!" Enough already. Go vent your frustrations in some desolate wasteland where they can be properly ignored (like the IMDB boards).

Uh, pot, kettle, black.
 
I liked the teaser, but it did leave me a little underwhelmed. The CR teaser got me more pumped up. There were some good shots, but never a big "money shot." The clip of Bond falling between those buildings was probably the closest.
 
its supposed to intrigue you. Not whelm or Overwhelm you.

You should have a cocked eyebrow at this from a film standpoint, not an agape jaw.
 
Several of them are.

Roger moore's talks about being married and visits Teresa's grave.

Lazenby pulls out objects from each of the previous films.

Timothy Dalton also has a mention of once being married before

They're loosely related but they do reference each other sometimes.

To add to that, Dr. No is mentioned in From Russia with Love. Bond mentions going to Jamaica with Felix Leiter in Goldfinger. Fiona Volpe in Thunderball mentions how Bond sleeps with a woman and makes her return to the side of right and virtue afterward; an obvious reference to ***** Galore.
 
its supposed to intrigue you. Not whelm or Overwhelm you.

You should have a cocked eyebrow at this from a film standpoint, not an agape jaw.

I didn't know you were the creative genius behind the teaser that tells the audience how they are supposed to feel. Thanks! :o
 
To add to that, Dr. No is mentioned in From Russia with Love. Bond mentions going to Jamaica with Felix Leiter in Goldfinger. Fiona Volpe in Thunderball mentions how Bond sleeps with a woman and makes her return to the side of right and virtue afterward; an obvious reference to ***** Galore.

Of course any mention of Jamaica ties directly into his origins, not only with Ian. But with the fact that James lived in Jamaica for 5 years after joining the service heading up Station J before being reassigned to England. That's why he was picked for the mission in Dr No, TMWTGG, or pretty much anything involving the Caribbean, central and south America.

Also, in John Pearson's James Bond Biography which was written from the standpoint of him being a real man finds James retired and moved back to Jamaica with his second wife, Honeychile Rider. Fixed nose and all.
 
Yeah, but the question here is what individual audience members are looking for.

and therein lies the problem.

They don't make films to give you what you're looking for. They make films to make something good that you may not expect.

So if people are upset that the trailer didn't make them jump up and down with it's action and decided to tease a serious story with some potentially heavy implications for returning characters, then too damn bad.

It did the job it set out to do. Not the job people may have wanted it to do.
 
and therein lies the problem.

They don't make films to give you what you're looking for. They make films to make something good that you may not expect.

So if people are upset that the trailer didn't make them jump up and down with it's action and decided to tease a serious story with some potentially heavy implications for returning characters, then too damn bad.

It did the job it set out to do. Not the job people may have wanted it to do.

I liked the trailer, but I have no idea what others outside of this forum feel about it.

The job of the trailer is to sell the film to the most people possible. That is it. The film is a different animal, but not the ads. They have one job.
 
anyone posted a fat sized quicktime downloadable link for this trailer yet????:wow:


"Oh, it was gorgeousness and gorgeousity made flesh.":woot:
 
You hold a gross misunderstanding of Fleming's novels, and if you cite Casino Royale as good because it was "Bond doing his job again" than that speaks to you not really getting it.

Casino Royale, next to On Her Majesty's Secret Service, is perhaps the MOST personal Bond story Fleming wrote. Bond literally falls in love, and the "spy plot" resolves itself 3/4 of a way through the novel, letting the rest meditate on the destruction of a relationship due to the toxic nature of espionage.

I'm a purist. No actor portraying Bond - including the great vaunted Connery -- is greater or more important than Fleming. Craig, whether fans like it or not, represents the closest representation to Bond since OHMMSS. Fleming's Bond was largely humorous, and when he was it was in a cutting way. He was largely bitter most of the time, and took an almost personal insult in every single case he took. He delighted in taking on the Bond villain for the pure principle of "my malehood versus his malehood."

Bond has a sense of duty, but it's actuated by an intense habit to make EVERYTHING personal. Look at his feud with Hugo Drax in Moonraker, if you've read the novel. He goes down their first, yes, to take on Drax but it their battle of wits becomes insanely personal. Hell, even as they play cards at Blades Bond is already personally invested in teaching this man a lesson. In Diamonds are Forever, he at first takes on the job and then largely becomes more and more invested in punishing -- not killing -- Jack Spang and the others for the mere sake of how they disgust him. In Live and Let Die, his emotions and anger from Vesper's betrayal carries over into him taking on SMERSH. When Felix is mauled, it becomes insanely personal. In fact, M picks him SPECIFICALLY because Bond has a personal history with SMERSH. In Dr. No, Strangeways and Quarrel's deaths both motivate Bond to take the job more seriously and more personal. Thunderball, we have much the same disgust at criminality that motivates Bond. Goldfinger is perhaps Fleming's least personal Bond story, but Bond's male rivalry with Goldfinger himself is very clearly personal and goes beyond Queen and Country.

In From Russia With Love, Bond does not care about the Lector. But it's not out of duty, it's because the Lektor is a clear ploy and set up by the Russians. Why would he care? In the novel, Bond goes out of a sort of boredom, excited by the prospect of a job after having months of boredom. He then finds himself feeling sorry for Tatiana and things become personal when he falls for her and Karim is murdered. In the film, it sets it up much the same sans the boredom Bond was feeling prior to the job. He heads to Istanbul out of a perverse intellectual curiosity.

If you look at most of Fleming's novels, the constant theme is that the duty of Bond doing his job never stays that way, and that each mission has a much more, unforeseen personal toll on Bond each and everytime. But whatever the personal toll, Bond must always reign in his personal feelings by the climax in order to get the job done, which inevitably costs him more and more personal angst than had he been able to exercise his personal feelings. This is reinforced twice in QoS when Bond lets Green live so he can get the information for M (which is the boon of the story) as well as when he spares the life of the man who conned Vesper (also allowing them more info). This takes place in the novels too, where Bond is either denied his revenge or personal emotive satisfaction, or puts it aside to get the job done. Just look at the first few Bond novels, where Bond himself never actually gets to directly kill the Bond villain. SMERSH kils Le Chifree, Mr. Big dies faraway in an explosion that while caused by Bond is very impersonal, Hugo Drax dies by his own hand with Bond just focusing on surviving, Jack Spang dies in a train crash that is a errant consequence of his and Bond's fight. In all these cases, Bond is denied personal satisfaction yet gets the job done. By the time Bond arrives at On Her Majesty's Secret Service, he's tired and eager for real love -- thus why he finds Tracey. And in You Only Live Twice, we get a sense of what's left over after Bond's last attempt to escape the poison of the spy business fails -- he is a suicidal wreck of a man hellbent on revenge.

I'm not saying Bond movies are prefect. I think some people treat the films with more reverie then the source material, which created one of the greatest film icons of all-time. ANd I don't knock the Brocollis too much, because they have helmed a character who has existed for so long and so permeates our culture. I do find the Dalton, Brosnan, and Craig movies more engaging because they begin to challenge Bond's emotional responses to his job, much the same way Fleming did with Bond.

But to sit here and say that because Roger Moore wore a suit and ordered around soldiers for Queen and Country, somehow made him a better Bond and more Bond -- that's just entirely false. Even Fleming, in his novels, has a constant theme of insubordination on the part of Bond. It was never for Queen and Country so much as it was for M -- and the principal Bond always returns to, and is always loyal to, is getting the job done.

Craig perhaps embodies that perfectly in that he is a bulldozer spy that does not stop until he's crushed you and finished you. He is an agent that M wields specifically because he is a blunt instrument that gets the job done, and finds a personal investment in each and every case.

Hell, even JAK'S example of TSWLM being impersonal is somewhat wrong.

In that, the mission was over when The millitary was gonna bomb the **** out of stromberg and be done with it.

But as soon as Bond realizes that Anya's on Stromberg's sub, he goes back for her...even AFTER she told him that she'd kill him once the mission was over.

The way he kills stromberg too...a simple headshot would've done the job, And like I said, Stromberg was gonna get bombed anyway, but what does he do? Goes to Stromberg's dining room and shoots him in the testicles repeatedly.
 
I liked the trailer, but I have no idea what others outside of this forum feel about it.

The job of the trailer is to sell the film to the most people possible. That is it. The film is a different animal, but not the ads. They have one job.

One job and multiple ways to do that.

If they want to market this as a story heavy film to sell it as different from the last film then that's their choice.

There's also a creative art in marketing as well, it's not all about giving us whatever we want whenever we want it. We're the dog and they are Pavlov, they are conditioning us to look at this film in a certain way, not just making everyone excited on a general scale.

The film is about something and doing something and the marketing has to reflect that. This trailer shows to me at this point there's an emphasis on story rather than just action scenes and that James will be going through something serious.

That gets me excited, if other people aren't excited cause they need to see that this is going to be action film after 50 years of action films in this franchise then that's really too bad for them.

People should be excited to see an emphasis on story, whether they are or they aren't.
 
One job and multiple ways to do that.

If they want to market this as a story heavy film to sell it as different from the last film then that's their choice.

There's also a creative art in marketing as well, it's not all about giving us whatever we want whenever we want it. We're the dog and they are Pavlov, they are conditioning us to look at this film in a certain way, not just making everyone excited on a general scale.

The film is about something and doing something and the marketing has to reflect that. This trailer shows to me at this point there's an emphasis on story rather than just action scenes and that James will be going through something serious.

That gets me excited, if other people aren't excited cause they need to see that this is going to be action film after 50 years of action films in this franchise then that's really too bad for them.

People should be excited to see an emphasis on story, whether they are or they aren't.

You post is quite arrogant. Telling people what they should be excited by is completely ridiculous. It is like listening to Peggy from a couple of seasons ago on Mad Men. Missing the complete point of advertising.
 
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