James Bond In Skyfall - Part 8

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He went through a sickly phase, when he was fighting a bad case of Dalton-itis.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

It all makes sense now!

In order to be in The Living Daylights, Pierce Brosnan disguised himself as Timothy Dalton in order to be in both a Bond movie and Remington Steel!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I really like Brosnan's interpretation of Bond. Sure, he comes off as cheesy, smug, arrogant and smiley a lot of the time in the company of others, but, to steal words from Casino Royale, he uses it as his armor. He's like that to hide who really is. A cold-blooded killer with many skeletons in his closet.

With him as Bond, while not much of a fighter compare to the others, he was shown to be more of a shootist.

Expect he couldn't convey that cold-blooded killer with a past. He doesn't have those eyes of steel likes Craig shows in the CR PTS.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Except he could. He displayed that pretty well when he dropped 006, one of his close friends, hundreds of feet, and shot Electra King in cold blood.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The action isn't important. It is how the actor looks doing it. The emotions they convey. Brosnan doing that stuff doesn't come off natural. It is like he is acting, trying to say something he just can't. Those scenes when he sits quietly drinking are attempts at showing something, but he just doesn't convey it in a convincing manner.

Kind of like the difference between Toby's Spidey and Andrew's. One is trying and one is succeeding.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Just because he's not openly displaying anger does not mean he wasn't good at conveying anger. The scene where he kills Electra, the look in his eyes was great. And the scene of him at the beach, taking in everything that just happened was fine enough.

Just because the other Bond's are not like Craig doesn't make them bad.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Outside of Moore, I wouldn't say any Bond is out right bad. They do have there differences and qualities. However, the last three Bonds have all gone in a similar direction, with varying results.

Strictly talking about Brosnan's performance. Brosnan tries to act with his eyes. To show some sort of pain or anger and he just comes off generic. It is as convincing as when Xenia is squeezing the life out of him. These moments of true emotion are cheesy.

And if you want to compare him to Craig, it is even worse for him. Compare "I never miss" to "Allow me". The best bit of "I never miss" is M's reaction.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Because obviously everything has to be compared to Craig for you.

At his best, I wouldn't say Moore is bad either. The Spy Who Loved Me had shown that Roger Moore can be badass when they don't force the comedy in. I don't get how people can watch the Spy Who Loved Me and still say that Roger Moore isn't a badass.

And with Brosnan, I still say he a fine enough job in that scene.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I think it is fair to compare those moments between Craig and Brosnan because they are going for the same thing. And when did a "fine enough job" start becoming excellent? Many consider that his best scene so if that was him at his best, I am not exactly sure how that is a good thing.

Moore has not and never will be a badass. It is like comparing Connery's Bond from DAF with the one that appeared in the first five films. That you have to state something like "at his best" says a lot.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I thought he did great in the "For me" and "I never miss" scenes as well.


Also how ****ing cold was Moore when he shot that guy in the genitals in TSWLM? that was down right brutal.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

He also dropped a guy off a roof, not to mention he also had one of the most awesome scenes that was cool and badass at the same time with the sky chase.

Also, I have to bring up his speech to Anya after she finds out he killed her boyfriend. It's one of the most badass things that any Bond has said.

Originally Posted by Bond (Roger Moore) in The Spy Who Love me
When someone is on ski's at 40 miles an hour trying to put a bullet in your back, you don't always have time to remember a face. In this business Anya, People get killed. We both know that. So did he. It was either him or me. The answer to the question is yes. I did kill him.

What More does he have to do be a Badass? Walk into Russia and kill all the Soviets one by one to end the Cold war?

Sorry that the other Bonds (other than Dalton) are not as serious and dry as Craig (and it's not an attack in Craig, but a defense to the other Bonds).

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Edit

 

[DarthSkywalker]

You keep up bringing up lines and scene without the proper context. Yeah, those have the potential to be badass. Then you realize who is involved and see the scenes and realize they aren't.

Would those scene be badass if Carrot Top was doing them? How about Rob Schneider?

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

You keep up bringing up lines and scene with the proper context. Yeah, those have the potential to be badass. Then you realize who is involved and see the scenes and realize they aren't.

When those scene be badass if Carrot Top was doing them? How about Rob Schneider?

Now you're just going on hyperbole.

But if I must answer your question, no, those scenes wouldn't have worked with those Carrot Top or Rob Schneider.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Except they're not. Craig wears his heart on sleeve and even with his mannerism, he shows his coldness. Brosnan hid his emotions with a smile and wisecracking jokes. If anything, Craig goes more for what Dalton was going for in CR and QoS. A much more serious Bond, though Craig is much better with Charm and Wit than Dalton was.

Though I think this will change in Skyfall.

Not in that scene. That is the entire point of it. That is why I am comparing it.

And Craig makes the wise choice when to let his emotions show. The PTS is is cold and biting, and he almost becomes a robot when he is trying to mask his feelings over what happened to Solange. He uses his wit to try and hide how Vesper's words effect him on the train, when she starts hitting a little to close to home.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Which is why I chose to replace the post with edit because I realized you were only talking about that scene and. Not the two in general.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Now you're just going on hyperbole.

Because I am trying to make you understand my whole point, which you seem to be missing. Just because Bond drops someone off a building doesn't make it badass. It is how it is done. How the actor plays it. The context. Moore is not badass. He isn't. He isn't even Harrison Ford in KOTCS at his best (though to be fair, Harrison is still pretty awesome in KOTCS).

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Then you should look at the context again. He drops Sandor off the building with cockiness and confidence with a great Bond me liner. He doesn't oversell it. He simply drops him, straighten his ties and goes on. The context was great, and so was the delivery.

Here's something you seem to be missing. And don't worry, some people actually forget.

Spoiler

Roger Moore is an actor.

 

[E.NormusJohnson]

Not in that scene. That is the entire point of it. That is why I am comparing it.

And Craig makes the wise choice when to let his emotions show. The PTS is is cold and biting, and he almost becomes a robot when he is trying to mask his feelings over what happened to Solange. He uses his wit to try and hide how Vesper's words effect him on the train, when she starts hitting a little to close to home.

Craig comes off as acting badass to me... his lenghty "mean" stares really don't display a whole lot of intensity to me... his fight scenes are another thing entirely though.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Watching Roger Moore try to be cold blooded at nearly 50 doesn't invoke badass. Well at least not at his 50. As Indy says, it's not the years, it's the mileage. It is like watching Hulk Hogan wrestle Brock Lesnar. Does not work.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

DS is too much of a Daniel Craig fanboy to like the other interpretations of Bond.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I wonder how Lazenby would have gone if he did Diamonds are Forever?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Craig comes off as acting badass to me... his lenghty "mean" stares really don't display a whole lot of intensity to me... his fight scenes are another thing entirely though.

Craig's Bond does lengthy "mean" stares? The only time I can think of him doing that is the poker games and those are more an attempt to read and throw off his opponent. Perhaps you mean bits of QoS, but I cannot think of any there either.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

DS is too much of a Daniel Craig fanboy to like the other interpretations of Bond.

That is downright falsehood and you know it. I really like Connery and I never understood the Lazenby hate. I like Dalton, though I wasn't much of a fan of how the character was written. I even like Brosnan as he was the Bond I grew up with.

I wonder how Lazenby would have gone if he did Diamonds are Forever?

Would of been better then Connery in that film. I rarely watch it because I honestly can't believe that is the same man from Thunderball.

 

[Ajendo]

With him as Bond, while not much of a fighter compare to the others, he was shown to be more of a shootist.

More like a machine gun preacher. Brosnan's Bond is synonymous with machine guns and excessive explosions.