James Bond In Skyfall - Part 8

[Gianakin_]

That was funny.

I also think QoS was one of the most imaginative and interesting TS. Integrated Quantum and its scheme quite well, too. Didn't need the nakes lady shadows, but still.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

You're right and it's probably the use of the wrong word on my part. What's the word I'm looking for that describes Laz better...?

I don't know how to describe it in a single word. If I had to compare the two scenes, Craig's Bond doesn't seem willing to compute or to give up and then he just becomes so overcome with emotion. There is part of him that thinks he can bring her back as irrational as that sounds.

With Lazenby there is the inital shock, followed by what I can only call acceptance. His face tells you everything he is feeling. His words might contradict it, but he knows she is gone and there is nothing he can do about it.

For Craig it is struggle against the order of things, with Lazenby it is a painful acceptance. Perhaps because even when it hurts that much, Bond at that point in his life knows what comes with the territory. Craig's Bond is just too green to comprehend that quickly.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

"A foolish sentiment."
"Family motto."

Hell to the yes. t:

 

[Gianakin_]

I don't know how to describe it in a single word. If I had to compare the two scenes, Craig's Bond doesn't seem willing to compute or to give up and then he just becomes so overcome with emotion. There is part of him that thinks he can bring her back as irrational as that sounds.

With Lazenby there is the inital shock, followed by what I can only call acceptance. His face tells you everything he is feeling. His words might contradict it, but he knows she is gone and there is nothing he can do about it.

For Craig it is struggle against the order of things, with Lazenby it is a painful acceptance. Perhaps because even when it hurts that much, Bond at that point in his life knows what comes with the territory. Craig's Bond is just too green to comprehend that quickly.

VERY well put. Would you say, then, that Laz played a somehow older and more disillusioned version of Bond than Craig? Actors' ages aside.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Well, both were playing Bonds at different points in his career. Craig was playing Bond as he was beginning, and Lazenby was playing an older Bond.

 

[Gianakin_]

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking, too.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

VERY well put. Would you say, then, that Laz played a somehow older and more disillusioned version of Bond than Craig? Actors' ages aside.

Well, both were playing Bonds at different points in his career. Craig was playing Bond as he was beginning, and Lazenby was playing an older Bond.

Exactly. Lazenby's Bond would basically be a direct result of what we see happen to Bond in CR and QoS. He is what comes after he drops the necklace in the snow. But for the first time in a long while, he opens his heart and what he probably always feared would happen, happens. His heart got stomped again.

 

[Gianakin_]

That's why the second time this happens to you, you [BLACKOUT]choke the motherf**ker responsible.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That's why the second time this happens to you, you [BLACKOUT]choke the motherf**ker responsible.[/BLACKOUT]

Damn straight.

 

[regwec]

I really enjoyed the concept of Blofeld's "garden of death", in the novel YOLT. It is a very memorable and original creation, that has great cinematic potential.

 

[747]

It is so hard to rank what I consider to be the truly "bad films" in the series. The top 12-15 is pretty easy, with some changes it order. But they are pretty much the same. But when you get to those last few it really feels like it depends on what you consider less offensive imo.

1. Casino Royale
2. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
3. From Russia with Love
4. GoldenEye
5. Goldfinger
6. Thunderball (4-6 change order quite a bit)
7. Quantum of Solace
8. Dr. No
9. The Spy Who Loved Me
10. The Living Daylights
11. The World is Not Enough
12. You Only Live Twice
13. For Your Eyes Only
14. Live and Let Die
15. License to Kill

Now here is where it gets tricky. I don't find much joy watching any of these films.
16. Octopussy
17. Die Another Day (Rosamund Pike and Cuba place this over TND)
18. Tomorrow Never Dies
19. Moonraker
20. The Man with the Golden Gun
21. Diamonds Are Forever
22. A View to a Kill

whoa, our top ten is nearly identical.

 

[Gianakin_]

Silva needs to be the new Blofeld. Although he obviously won't be.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

That's why the second time this happens to you, you [BLACKOUT]choke the motherf**ker responsible.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Gianakin_]

I really enjoyed the concept of Blofeld's "garden of death", in the novel YOLT. It is a very memorable and original creation, that has great cinematic potential.

Any relation (maybe inspired by) to the Phantom's own deadly trap in Phantom of the Opera?

 

[Roose Bolton]

It's a [blackout] poisonous Garden where people go commit suicide[/blackout]

Watching QoS, I really love this line:
"So if you decide not to sign, you will wake up with your balls in your mouth and your willing replacement standing over you. If you doubt that, then shoot me, take that money, and have a good night's sleep."

 

[Gianakin_]

Ah, then nothing like TPotO.

There's a lot of subtle badassery to be quoted in QoS. That line is great.

 

[Two-Face]

So anyone ordered or getting the bluray box set celebrates the 50th anniversary?

 

[Roose Bolton]

Im thinking that had QoS been say...30 minutes longer to help give things time to breath it'll be higher on my list. It's too damned short!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Favorite scene in QoS has got to be the little bit of coaching Bod gives Camille right before the attack on the hotel.

That whole speech is cold blooded and Olga looks amazing.

Ah, then nothing like TPotO.

There's a lot of subtle badassery to be quoted in QoS. That line is great.

Hell yes.

"Can I offer an opinion? I really think you people should find a better place to meet."

"Hello. We're teachers on sabbatical and we've just won the lottery."

"When someone says "We've got people everywhere", you expect it to be hyperbole! Lots of people say that. Florists use that expression. It doesn't mean that they've got somebody working for them inside the bloody room!"

"You see? You've been gone for such a short time and you're already forgotten."

"Well, if they wanted his soul, they should have made a deal with a priest."

"The first thing you should know about us is... we have people everywhere."

"There is something horribly efficient about you."

"I'll take that as a compliment coming from a Brit."

"He wanted you but I left the car as collateral. He'll get much more when he sells us out."

"I bet you make it 20 miles before you consider drinking that.

"I don't have any friends."

"This man had me kidnapped and tortured, and you serve him fine wine?"

There are of course more, but this list was getting to long.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Im thinking that had QoS been say...30 minutes longer to help give things time to breath it'll be higher on my list. It's too damned short!

I think 30 mins might have been pushing it. But a bit better writing and editing, plus another 10-15 mins involving Camille, Fields and Mathis and I think it could have been a real classic.

 

[Gianakin_]

Actually, Bond took a lot of initiative in this one, didn't he? Not that he doesn't in most films, but this time it was different, more... active.

Obi, not even 30 minutes. 10-15 would've been great.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Hmm more Mathis would definitely go a long way, the character and Bond work well together.
I never got why they didn't have Fields use her full name? Strawberry Feilds is delightful

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Exactly. Lazenby's Bond would basically be a direct result of what we see happen to Bond in CR and QoS. He is what comes after he drops the necklace in the snow. But for the first time in a long while, he opens his heart and what he probably always feared would happen, happens. His heart got stomped again.

Yep. CR is why he becomes even more of a womanizer, and by the time OHMSS came around, he better understood the perils of being a spy and took a risk with Tracy. Unfortunately, it didn't pan out.

 

[Gianakin_]

Yeah, Blofeld wasn't... bloffing.

 

[spidey-dude]

Favorite scene in QoS has got to be the little bit of coaching Bod gives Camille right before the attack on the hotel.

That whole speech is cold blooded and Olga looks amazing.



Hell yes.

"Can I offer an opinion? I really think you people should find a better place to meet."

"Hello. We're teachers on sabbatical and we've just won the lottery."

"When someone says "We've got people everywhere", you expect it to be hyperbole! Lots of people say that. Florists use that expression. It doesn't mean that they've got somebody working for them inside the bloody room!"

"You see? You've been gone for such a short time and you're already forgotten."

"Well, if they wanted his soul, they should have made a deal with a priest."

"The first thing you should know about us is... we have people everywhere."

"There is something horribly efficient about you."

"I'll take that as a compliment coming from a Brit."

"He wanted you but I left the car as collateral. He'll get much more when he sells us out."

"I bet you make it 20 miles before you consider drinking that.

"I don't have any friends."

"This man had me kidnapped and tortured, and you serve him fine wine?"

There are of course more, but this list was getting to long.

It really did have some great lines - my personal fav is still when Camille first rocks up in the car and says get in, Bond looks around briefly and just says "Alright" the way he delivers it though is brilliant