Jared Leto IS The Joker - - - Part 12

[Rodrigo90]

TDK was on last night and every scene, I noticed, with Heath, I couldn't take my eyes of him. I saw Joker, but I was thinking of Heath and how impeccably crafted his performance was. All these little quirks, the expressions, the body language. He never faulted that character and the illusion once. He was simply immaculate. I've said before and I'll say it again, even if one finds him overrated, there's no denying just how bloody good he was.

 

[Majik1387]

The faults of TDK's Joker had absolutely nothing to do with Ledger. He was great(not Oscar worthy) for what the part called for. He was clearly entirely into the role the whole time and having fun with it. And yes, the majority of the Nolanites overrated his performance to the point of them dressing like the TDK version of Joker, with horrible make up and if anyone had any slight issue with his version, the fanboys who overrated him went/still go into attack mode as if someone insulted them personally.

Leto looks to be bringing the same kind of gravitas and charisma he's brought to every role prior, and honestly, just looks the part of Joker more than Heath did.

 

[Corysxj88]

Let me throw my .02 in....not that it matters but, here. we. go...

I have always been a batman fan...always been a fan of the Joker. always thought the joker was the best villain ever! mainly because of how maniacal he is and yet, he is just an ordinary person (you know, even though he is crazy) with no super powers. I remember watching all the other actors play the joker, but until I saw Ledgers' performance in TDK, I had no idea what real acting was. When I went to see TDK the first day it came out, I was blown away. I had never been moved by a performance before...Ledgers' mannerisms in that movie gave me chills and truly led me to believe that HE was the joker.
Since July of 2008, I have been waiting and waiting for the Joker to come back onto the big screen....that time is now.
Ledgers' joker as far as looks goes was completely fine, I loved it. but what I didn't like, is that we didn't get any type of origin story or him in Arkham or we never really got to see what he was like around his own kind...I want to see the Joker alone with his thoughts. When I found out in 2014 that the joker was coming back in the form of Jared Leto...I was beyond elated. When I watch Dallas Buyers Club or Requiem for a dream...I get a similar feeling about Leto's performances...
I think what we all have to remember is that this is present day stuff we are looking at...if the Joker really did exist, what would he look like in todays society? I'm sure he would have a cool hair cut, tattoos, jewelry, a grill (which I am not convinced that it is in fact a "Grill", but maybe some dental work to repair teeth possibly knocked out by someone? maybe batman?) and dress sort of crazy.
What I am most excited about is getting a story of the joker...him being in Arkham, having conversations with Dr. Harleen Quinzel, him torturing her, driving her mad and slowly transforming her into Harley.
I am super excited about Leto's Joker...I have absolutely 0 complaints as of right now. From what I have seen, I think all of us will be sitting in the theatre with our jaws dropped when we see his performance and the things that we get to experience.
I believe that the tattoos and everything have a purpose and we will get a better idea of why they are there once we see the film.

till then, lets all be happy we are alive to witness such a great time in cinema.

 

[Rodrigo90]

I can't find any faults in how he was written. They wanted him in a specific way; straight from the depths of Hell. Heath's Joker wasn't as personal as Jack's Joker, which was effective for the story at hand. He showed up to carry out his goal of personal philosophy and that was to upset our established society by upsetting it with the destruction of chaos. We didn't need to see him ponder this by himself, he was a character on a clear mission.

 

[Rorschach2012]

I just want a return to a Joker that has fatal hand buzzers, razor tipped playing cards, the BANG! gun, and the Joker gas.

and I really would love to see Joker on the David Endocrine show!

and why the hell haven't we gotten a cinematic battle between Batman and Joker in an amusement park? Hopefully they do that

 

[Rorschach2012]

I can't wrap my head around how the "true to the character" card is pulled while simultaneously referencing Ledger. Solely judging style and physical appearance, I can't think of a more singular and unique iteration than his. Even to this day.

I get the performance was unexpectedly enthralling and re-watchable, but nearly every new aspect brought to the character was bordering on anti-Joker. You could sum him up as a "lone-wolf hobo terrorist in clownface" and wouldn't be too far off from the actual part. Who can honestly say that comes close to anyone's version of Joker?

Just look at this:

It boggles me people can rag on Leto's departure but have no problem with Ledger. I can only understand it if TDK is your primary frame of reference. But anyone else... HOW?? Am I missing some essential Joker reboot appearances? The character has remained "relatively" consistent.

Superficial tats and grills do not outweigh the blatant callback imagery that Leto's evokes of past incarnations. Even if I tried I cannot say the same for Heath.

i just LOVE that comparison GIF!!

Visually, i definitely prefer Leto's Joker. I prefer the permawhite, this shade of green and the hair style. Leto's is more like the comics

Heath's Joker is still obviously going to be near impossible to top, but if anyone can do it, it's Leto. He will be incredible.

He and Harley both were perfect casting choices, i can already tell.

 

[Greens]

and why the hell haven't we gotten a cinematic battle between Batman and Joker in an amusement park? Hopefully they do that

You're gonna have to settle for the Killing Joke animated movie that comes out this year.

 

[DeadStroke]

 

[Rorschach2012]

You're gonna have to settle for the Killing Joke animated movie that comes out this year.

For now

 

[Rodrigo90]

Jared's Joker looks mad enough to friggin marry a funhouse, never mind fight Batman in one

 

[hellblazer103]

I can't wrap my head around how the "true to the character" card is pulled while simultaneously referencing Ledger. Solely judging style and physical appearance, I can't think of a more singular and unique iteration than his. Even to this day.

I get the performance was unexpectedly enthralling and re-watchable, but nearly every new aspect brought to the character was bordering on anti-Joker. You could sum him up as a "lone-wolf hobo terrorist in clownface" and wouldn't be too far off from the actual part. Who can honestly say that comes close to anyone's version of Joker?

Just look at this:

It boggles me people can rag on Leto's departure but have no problem with Ledger. I can only understand it if TDK is your primary frame of reference. But anyone else... HOW?? Am I missing some essential Joker reboot appearances? The character has remained "relatively" consistent.

Superficial tats and grills do not outweigh the blatant callback imagery that Leto's evokes of past incarnations. Even if I tried I cannot say the same for Heath.

actually, i don't think ledger was too far away of a deviation aside from appearances... his personality was very reminiscent of the the original joker that bill finger and bob kane had intended , or frank miller's joker. both are more subtle and cold/calculating than the borderline cartoony joker that we're used to .

 

[Knightfall]

I can't wrap my head around how the "true to the character" card is pulled while simultaneously referencing Ledger. Solely judging style and physical appearance, I can't think of a more singular and unique iteration than his. Even to this day.

I get the performance was unexpectedly enthralling and re-watchable, but nearly every new aspect brought to the character was bordering on anti-Joker. You could sum him up as a "lone-wolf hobo terrorist in clownface" and wouldn't be too far off from the actual part. Who can honestly say that comes close to anyone's version of Joker?

Just look at this:

It boggles me people can rag on Leto's departure but have no problem with Ledger. I can only understand it if TDK is your primary frame of reference. But anyone else... HOW?? Am I missing some essential Joker reboot appearances? The character has remained "relatively" consistent.

Superficial tats and grills do not outweigh the blatant callback imagery that Leto's evokes of past incarnations. Even if I tried I cannot say the same for Heath.

Actually I wasn't crazy about what they did with the Joker in TDK. I thought he looked like a greasy skater with drag queen makeup. However it still(Even minus the perma white) looked closer to the essence of the Joker than what I've seen from this Juggalo so far. Obviously Ledgers joker was different (As I stated, maybe you missed that) but it was still close enough to where I could over look a few things. He didn't have grillz and Tats from head to toe or diamond earrings. He looked like the Joker(as much as Nolan would allow for his realistic take) and not some hipster Ganster wannabe. Me not liking Ayer's rediculous choice doesn't mean I think Leto will be bad.

Now some of what I've seen of Leto looks good I.E. That Gif above. I think he'd look much better without the Tats.

 

[The Joker]

To jump in on the Heath discussion I missed earlier. He is so far the most comic accurate Joker we've had on live action screen;

http://jokerfans.blogspot.ie/

He's justifiably gone down as one of cinema's greatest villains. He set a new standard for comic book villains. He totally deserved his Oscar, and every ounce of praise that was heaped on him.

Dude, overrated is an opinion. Calm the hell down. The performance is still there for you to enjoy.

God.

I wish some people would remember that when they got hot under the collar about the valid criticisms given for Leto's Joker design.

Ledgers' joker as far as looks goes was completely fine, I loved it. but what I didn't like, is that we didn't get any type of origin story

The Joker has no defined origin in the comics, so why should the movies give him one? One of the best things about him is he is a mystery. Even to himself. The unknown is scary.

Giving him a origin, a name etc strips away a lot of the character's edge. Even The Killing Joke back when it was written as non canon threw in the line that he remembers his past differently and he likes it that way. He doesn't want to be defined. So all that flashback stuff about the failed comedian/dead wife could be total bull.

It doesn't look like Leto's Joker is going to have one either. Which is definitely a plus.

 

[hellblazer103]

Actually I wasn't crazy about what they did with the Joker in TDK. I thought he looked like a greasy skater with drag queen makeup. However it still(Even minus the perma white) looked closer to the essence of the Joker than what I've seen from this Juggalo so far. Obviously Ledgers joker was different (As I stated, maybe you missed that) but it was still close enough to where I could over look a few things. He didn't have grillz and Tats from head to toe or diamond earrings. He looked like the Joker(as much as Nolan would allow for his realistic take) and not some hipster Ganster wannabe. Me not liking Ayer's rediculous choice doesn't mean I think Leto will be bad.

Now some of what I've seen of Leto looks good I.E. That Gif above. I think he'd look much better without the Tats.

ya know, i still don't get how leto's joker is the juggalo while ledger is the one who wore facepaint...

 

[Greens]

It doesn't look like Leto's Joker is going to have one either. Which is definitely a plus.

I think they'll keep his true identity a secret like they did with Ledger, but they did work the chemicals into his origin. It's a middle ground between Nicholson and Ledger.

 

[The Shape]

Ledger's Joker was the **** and is pretty much amazing in every way. I love everything I've seen thus far of Leto's Joker, too, but there's no need to break down Ledger's Joker to build up this new version.

Also, slapping the "overrated" label on Ledger's Joker is just absurd.

 

[The Joker]

I think they'll keep his true identity a secret like they did with Ledger, but they did work the chemicals into his origin. It's a middle ground between Nicholson and Ledger.

Yeah but chemical bath element doesn't take away his mystery. That just tells you how he got to his bleached skin. He could have fallen into those chemicals in any number of circumstances. Even the Red Hood angle doesn't take away from it because it doesn't define who he is. He could be anybody under that costume. Criminal mastermind, a Sid the Squid type loser crook, a desperate failed comedian, some poor schmuck being blackmailed to do it etc.

 

[The Shape]

It doesn't look like Leto's Joker is going to have one either. Which is definitely a plus.

Actually, since it's confirmed that The Joker brings Harley to Ace Chemicals to complete her "transformation", it seems that Suicide Squad will be hinting at The Joker's most popular possible origin (falling into a vat of chemicals) and pointing to Ace Chemicals as his place of "birth".

I don't think the details of The Joker's origin will ever be explicitly stated or spelled out, but it will likely be suggested that the chemical bath is what helped to make him what he is, and I'm totally fine with that. I don't feel that The Joker's origin should ever be explicitly stated or explored, but if they're going to heavily hint at one possible origin for him, I think the chemical bath is the best and most logical one.

 

[The Shape]

I think they'll keep his true identity a secret like they did with Ledger, but they did work the chemicals into his origin. It's a middle ground between Nicholson and Ledger.

Exactly, and I like that. We won't know anything about what he was like prior to the chemical bath, but we will know that was the inciting incident that pushed him over the edge.

 

[Corysxj88]

To jump in on the Heath discussion I missed earlier. He is so far the most comic accurate Joker we've had on live action screen;

http://jokerfans.blogspot.ie/

He's justifiably gone down as one of cinema's greatest villains. He set a new standard for comic book villains. He totally deserved his Oscar, and every ounce of praise that was heaped on him.



I wish some people would remember that when they got hot under the collar about the valid criticisms given for Leto's Joker design.



The Joker has no defined origin in the comics, so why should the movies give him one? One of the best things about him is he is a mystery. Even to himself. The unknown is scary.

Giving him a origin, a name etc strips away a lot of the character's edge. Even The Killing Joke back when it was written as non canon threw in the line that he remembers his past differently and he likes it that way. He doesn't want to be defined. So all that flashback stuff about the failed comedian/dead wife could be total bull.

It doesn't look like Leto's Joker is going to have one either. Which is definitely a plus.

I should have rephrased what I was trying to say...I should have said back story instead of origin. I love the fact that the joker is so mysterious and not very much is known about him...I also like it better that way...but some info on him in his earlier years...Arkham, past encounters with Batman and other folks alike would be nice. not sure how old this Joker is supposed to be in SS, but some earlier stuff is all I am asking for...of coarse, we know at least a scene with him in Arkham is happening.

 

[Greens]

I should have rephrased what I was trying to say...I should have said back story instead of origin. I love the fact that the joker is so mysterious and not very much is known about him...I also like it better that way...but some info on him in his earlier years...Arkham, past encounters with Batman and other folks alike would be nice. not sure how old this Joker is supposed to be in SS, but some earlier stuff is all I am asking for...of coarse, we know at least a scene with him in Arkham is happening.

I suppose you'll be happy with Batman v Superman then, what with the vandalized Robin costume and all.

 

[The Joker]

I should have rephrased what I was trying to say...I should have said back story instead of origin. I love the fact that the joker is so mysterious and not very much is known about him...I also like it better that way...but some info on him in his earlier years...Arkham, past encounters with Batman and other folks alike would be nice. not sure how old this Joker is supposed to be in SS, but some earlier stuff is all I am asking for...of coarse, we know at least a scene with him in Arkham is happening.

That's fair enough if you prefer an established Joker with years of history with Batman. But if a story is covering the intro/rise of the Joker, and thus his first encounter with Batman like TDK did, and Batman '89 for that matter, then they are not really in a position to have him with years in Arkham and previous encounters with Batman. It wouldn't make sense.

Saying that one of the things I do like about this Joker character wise is he is a veteran Joker with a history. It's fresh, different from the previous Jokers. Can add a whole new dynamic we've never seen before in the movies.

 

[DeadStroke]

I kind of want to read Astro's reasoning and see what kept it from being great to him.

 

[The Shape]

I kind of want to read Astro's reasoning and see what kept it from being great to him.

Do you really care, though?

 

[Jekecy]

Actually I wasn't crazy about what they did with the Joker in TDK. I thought he looked like a greasy skater with drag queen makeup. However it still(Even minus the perma white) looked closer to the essence of the Joker than what I've seen from this Juggalo so far.

That’s what I’m disputing. Can you pull reference images from any medium, across the ages prior to 2007, which indisputably resemble Heath? At least more than Leto? This isn’t about who’s better, I’m just posing the question of where people are getting the notion Leto looks too removed from the character when he’s following one who has arguably strayed the most in a very drastic way.

Obviously Ledgers joker was different (As I stated, maybe you missed that) but it was still close enough to where I could over look a few things. He didn't have grillz and Tats from head to toe or diamond earrings. He looked like the Joker(as much as Nolan would allow for his realistic take) and not some hipster Ganster wannabe. Me not liking Ayer's rediculous choice doesn't mean I think Leto will be bad.

The way you feel about the grills and tats, is how I and others feel about the chelsea grin, sloppy makeup, and the dirty grunge aesthetic. Difference for me is Leto’s are additions to the classical Joker look. Ledger’s takes the most iconic traits and turns them on its head.