Jared Leto IS The Joker - - - - - - Part 15

[Greens]

Pretty sure a bus full of dead kids would have earned the movie an R rating.

 

[Kyle]

this alone is ten times more intimidating than the entirety of Leto's screentime.

https://youtu.be/dHhZtBDtqxo

As said didn't say Leto was definitively better than Heath, we got to see so little of him. But he is more animated and more over the top. So I can see him when the focus is on him topping Heath when and if given the chance.

Mark and Heath, no question - Mark. Mark has kidnapped a CHILD Robin, given him electric shock therapy to turn him into a little Joker. Mark has paralzed Barbara Gordon, not to mention every single thing he doee in the abandoned amusement park in Killing Joke.

It's no contest.

 

[FunkMiller]

We cant really compare Leto and Ledgers Joker because a lot of the greatness of Ledger's Joker came from the absolutely brilliant writing.I think performance wise they were both different and interesting takes.Very eager to see how Leto does with better script.

Leto's was pretty woefully written as it goes, but I'm struggling to see much more to his performance beyond more nastiness and weird psycho stuff, even in a longer, darker cut.

...all of which is piss easy for any actor worth his salt to pull off. Ledger wasn't a genius because he knew how to do scary. He was a genius because he knew how to do believable. Leto's Joker is a two dimensional nutcase in a fright wig. He's perfectly acceptable for the style of movie he's in, but is without that undercurrent of true malice and verisimilitude (sorry, had to use it) that Ledher had . Leto doesn't have dead eyes like a shark, with a smile underneath. That's The Joker.

 

[FunkMiller]

As said didn't say Leto was definitively better than Heath, we got to see so little of him. But he is more animated and more over the top. So I can see him when the focus is on him topping Heath when and if given the chance.

Mark and Heath, no question - Mark. Mark has kidnapped a CHILD Robin, given him electric shock therapy to turn him into a little Joker. Mark has paralzed Barbara Gordon, not to mention every single thing he doee in the abandoned amusement park in Killing Joke.

It's no contest.

Mark hasn't done ****. His voice has.

 

[Greens]

As said didn't say Leto was definitively better than Heath, we got to see so little of him. But he is more animated and more over the top. So I can see him when the focus is on him topping Heath when and if given the chance.

Mark and Heath, no question - Mark. Mark has kidnapped a CHILD Robin, given him electric shock therapy to turn him into a little Joker. Mark has paralzed Barbara Gordon, not to mention every single thing he doee in the abandoned amusement park in Killing Joke.

It's no contest.

When we talk about Hamill's Joker, we talk about the animated series (BTAS, Justice League) and the early feature films like Mask of the Phantasm. Killing Joke is kind of irrelevant because it wasn't HIS Joker, it was just him doing the voice of comic book Joker.

 

[harlequinade]

We cant really compare Leto and Ledgers Joker because a lot of the greatness of Ledger's Joker came from the absolutely brilliant writing.I think performance wise they were both different and interesting takes.Very eager to see how Leto does with better script.

Exactly. I wouldn't even call Leto here a supporting role. It's not possible to compare the performances, really. Only interpretations of the character

 

[Xrated48]

After watching the movie I didn't think Leto was that good as the Joker but at least the film was good.

 

[Kyle]

Pretty sure a bus full of dead kids would have earned the movie an R rating.

To me a movie with Joker should be severely pushing that mark, hell I'd love for there to be rated R deleted Joker scenes and they have to trim back just to get PG-13.

The ideal Joker movie would end in an amusement park or toy factory. The whole boat set up came off as something more that the Riddler would do.

 

[MasterChief2829]

Jared seems displeased with all the cuts. But he also has said it's the most fun he had in a role and how he really wants to take on Batman, so not trying to be overdramatic here

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sVKW0izq5ps&feature=youtu.be&t=53

 

[Smilodon]

Leto's was pretty woefully written as it goes, but I'm struggling to see much more to his performance beyond more nastiness and weird psycho stuff, even in a longer, darker cut.

...all of which is piss easy for any actor worth his salt to pull off. Ledger wasn't a genius because he knew how to do scary. He was a genius because he knew how to do believable. Leto's Joker is a two dimensional nutcase in a fright wig. He's perfectly acceptable for the style of movie he's in, but is without that undercurrent of true malice and verisimilitude (sorry, had to use it) that Ledher had . Leto doesn't have dead eyes like a shark, with a smile underneath. That's The Joker.

I can understand going for camp in this more, comic-y film universe, but the things Snyder/Ayer/Leto added to this incarnation to the Joker were just so inconsequential and or felt unoriginal. They added nothing to his already paper thin characterization. Of course better writing helps, but Leto's performance in this film just feels incredibly superficial.

It's up to Affleck I suppose and maybe some more people trying to give him more tips to make him more menacing.

 

[Kyle]

Mark hasn't done ****. His voice has.

In that case neither has Heath, just those writers and Nolan.

 

[The Joker]

Kyle, are you the chap I was talking to a while back who is a huge fan of The Amazing Spider-Man 2?

 

[Kyle]

When we talk about Hamill's Joker, we talk about the animated series (BTAS, Justice League) and the early feature films like Mask of the Phantasm. Killing Joke is kind of irrelevant because it wasn't HIS Joker, it was just him doing the voice of comic book Joker.

AND Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker is scarier and more deranged than anything Heath ever did. I would have loved to have Heath fry a kid's brain to turn him into Joker jr.

Batman Beyond being the future of those shows. Same timeline.

 

[idiot09]

Leto's was pretty woefully written as it goes, but I'm struggling to see much more to his performance beyond more nastiness and weird psycho stuff, even in a longer, darker cut.

...all of which is piss easy for any actor worth his salt to pull off. Ledger wasn't a genius because he knew how to do scary. He was a genius because he knew how to do believable. Leto's Joker is a two dimensional nutcase in a fright wig. He's perfectly acceptable for the style of movie he's in, but is without that undercurrent of true malice and verisimilitude (sorry, had to use it) that Ledher had . Leto doesn't have dead eyes like a shark, with a smile underneath. That's The Joker.

Ehh.I think Leto has great potential.I didnt think he was one dimensional at all.Although I do agree it seems that way because of the script.I think he has a very interesting and different take on Joker and I'm hoping to see the deleted scenes and more of him.

 

[Greens]

Jared seems displeased with all the cuts. But he also has said it's the most fun he had in a role and how he really wants to take on Batman, so not trying to be overdramatic here

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sVKW0izq5ps&feature=youtu.be&t=53

He loved the filming process... he seems displeased with the end result. The former is one of many reasons why he's not going to quit. Another reason being that he's under contract. lol

 

[Kyle]

Kyle, are you the chap I was talking to a while back who is a huge fan of The Amazing Spider-Man 2?

I stand behind that film and will continue to stand behind that film. It was like a Spider Man comic come to life PLUS it was the first to get the whole orphan psychology right on the money from personal experiences. Funny, to try to prove a point all you can resort to is how I have difering opinions rather than offering anything up. What's more of a joke? Someone with different minority opinion or someone who can't state anything or try to make a point?

 

[The Joker]

I stand behind that film and will continue to stand behind that film. It was like a Spider Man comic come to life PLUS it was the first to get the whole orphan psychology right on the money from personal experiences. Funny, to try to prove a point all you can resort to is how I have difering opinions rather than offering anything up. What's more of a joke? Someone with different minority opinion or someone who can't state anything or try to make a point?

I'm not trying to prove any point. I thought you looked familiar, and was wondering if you were who I thought you were. I admit your minority opinions here are what sparked my memory of you when you were attempting to defend that woeful excuse for a Spider-Man movie.

 

[DeadStroke]

We cant really compare Leto and Ledgers Joker because a lot of the greatness of Ledger's Joker came from the absolutely brilliant writing.I think performance wise they were both different and interesting takes.Very eager to see how Leto does with better script.

Fair point.

this alone is ten times more intimidating than the entirety of Leto's screentime.

https://youtu.be/dHhZtBDtqxo

To be fair this would be just a 20 second clip in Suicide Squad.

 

[Xrated48]

Ehh.I think Leto has great potential.I didnt think he was one dimensional at all.Although I do agree it seems that way because of the script.I think he has a very interesting and different take on Joker and I'm hoping to see the deleted scenes and more of him.

I'm still hoping to see more of him especially with Harley Quinn even though I was not fond of him the film.

 

[Kyle]

I'm not trying to prove any point. I thought you looked familiar, and was wondering if you were who I thought you were. I admit your minority opinions here are what sparked my memory of you when you were attempting to defend that woeful excuse for a Spider-Man movie.

Ah, sorry for jumping the gun on that. Others have used that against me in the past to try to paint me in a negative light and avoid stating anything beyond that. So, my mistake.

To be fair this would be just a 20 second clip in Suicide Squad.

Exactly. Right now Leto just has potential and that's because I can see him doing the whole carnival bit in Killing Joke among the other darker Joker acts. I can see him hiding out in a creepy toy factory. But that,.of course, is if they finally go there. If not, it live action would remain Heath. It has potential to go to those places though.

 

[hellblazer103]

I'm still saying though.... WHY CANT WE HAVE THIS?!?!

https://youtu.be/lI0ZoSP6P1o

Even the laugh is better than that dying parrot ******** Leto kept doing.

 

[cryptic name]

I don't really feel the need to compare them because what makes the Joker so great is how malleable he is as a character and how open to interpretation he is. I obviously love Heath Ledger's Joker, this twisted personification of chaos who seemingly comes from nowhere and exists purely to point out everything you care about and believe in is a joke. I love Nicholson's Joker, the mob boss and "homicidal artist". And I love what Ledger and Ayer did. I found him to a really cool contemporary conception of a Clown Prince of Crime. Felt the danger coming off of him. Looking forward to more.

 

[FunkMiller]

In that case neither has Heath, just those writers and Nolan.

Aha. Not quite the same thing though is it? Hamill's performance is as much down to the animators as it is him. The man's a fabulous voice over actor, but let's not pretend that equals a full psychical performance. Ledger is the best live action Joker hands down, and if it were just a voice performance he'd still be better than Hamill IMO. Hamill is fantastic, but he's two dimensional fantastic most of the time. I'd put his and Leto's takes on about the same level.

 

[The Joker]

Ah, sorry for jumping the gun on that. Others have used that against me in the past to try to paint me in a negative light and avoid stating anything beyond that. So, my mistake.

You're fine. No harm done. I probably should have phrased the question better, but it is literally the only interaction I've had with you, and it was memorable because as you know there's not many who defend TASM 2 as a great movie.

 

[DeadStroke]

He may not touch Ledger. However, in the context of this film I find it to believe he's "terrible."

However, Tom Holland only had 7 mins of screen time in Civil War and people consider him the greatest Spiderman ever. I think that he is best Spiderman I've seen no matter how long he was on screen. It seems Leto may not be the kinda guy you can't appreciate with very little screen time. Some fan recorded it at just under 9 mins.