Jared Leto IS The Joker - - - - - - - - Part 17

[Wildcard]

A little bit. Johns is no Fiege, as much as he'd like to be. So there is cause for concern.

 

[Boom]

Well I watched the extended cut.

The Joker's still ****ing terrible in my book.

 

[MasterChief2829]

Fans of the broody realistic Joker might not like it, but I think he looks like cartoon Joker here, love it lol

 

[Chip Chipperson]

If Ledger Joker is broody realism Joker, then Leto Joker is Jim Carrey Mask on Meth Joker

 

[Boom]

If Ledger Joker is broody realism Joker, then Leto Joker is Jim Carrey Mask on Meth Joker

Remember the scene where Ledger's Joker sat in a room lined with guns, flowers, and baby clothes angsting over Harley Quinn's whereabouts? So broody. Much moping.

Oh wait.

But seriously, if someone thinks Ledger's Joker was broody or mopey, then I've got a bridge to sell them.

 

[MasterChief2829]

That's the joker I grew up watching, not the former.

 

[The Joker]

Yeah, I don't really trust Geoff Johns with movies. Never liked the guy. He was pretty much the driving force behind Green Lantern, and pushed the filmmakers to make it more similar to his version from the comics, which let to constant rewrites, despite the set schedule, and a vision of the mythology which is all over the place. The movie would've turned out much better if they had simply stuck to the first script draft and let Campbell do his thing.
I always get the sense that Johns likes to be the only 'big shot expert' in the room, in order to push his ideas.
I'm not a fan of his sensibilties, even in comics, and think that he's vastly overrated.

Not to mention Johns has written some woeful Batman stories.

 

[Resistance61513]

I'm not trying to bash Jard Leto's Joker...he did what he thought was best for the role/his own iteration/interpretation. Do I agree with the direction he/the studio took, no but...I'm not going to condemn him for his decisions.

That being said, I personally am not a fan. I watched the behind the scenes stuff and I think it further solidified my assumption of the character. I'm going to try and refrain from tearing it down because, again, it's someones creative workings and it's just my opinion.

I didn't care for what I saw on the set shoots. There was a part where they took footage of him remaining in character talking to the cast and crew when cameras "weren't rolling" and it was absolutely cringe inducing. He also made a comment in an interview where he said, "Joker is the kind of guy who will chew your bloody face off." And I'm just like, he's not Hannibal Lecter.

Thinking through and reading everyone's thoughts and opinions...I think it would have been cool if they just kept Joker kind of in the shadows. Do elaborate shots like him in darkness, like the Cheshire cat in Alice and Wonderland. (Those grills could give a cool effect.) When he is talking to Harley in the interview, show him in shadows but maybe his hand on the table of a shot from his wrist pointing up at Harley.

I think for as much screen time as he was given, they should have gone the "less is more" route. As others have stated, he should have been saved for a movie to flesh him out. We all went in with a notion of who the Joker is as a character and frankly, they did't really deliver on the premise they're in the process of laying.

Maybe Ben Affleck can turn that around but I agree. I hope they just focus on Slade in the movie. (But didn't Ben say it'll feature the largest cast of Rogues Batman has faced) Maybe I'll get my Killer Croc vs Batman scene.

 

[Flint Marko]

Wait, Ben said The Batman will feature the largest cast of Rogue's Batman has faced? I missed that.

 

[NotNickFury]

A little bit. Johns is no Fiege, as much as he'd like to be. So there is cause for concern.

He's no Feige, sure, but he's apparently the best Warner Bros could do as far as course correction for the DCEU as of now.

 

[Resistance61513]

Wait, Ben said The Batman will feature the largest cast of Rogue's Batman has faced? I missed that.

I tried doing some digging to find the article(s) that reported this. The only ones I found were from WB producers saying that the film would feature a lot of Batman villains/it's believed there will be cameos. (Since a lot of them are pre-established in other films.)

Again, really crossing my fingers for a Croc battle.

 

[BaelaTargaryen]

Wait, Ben said The Batman will feature the largest cast of Rogue's Batman has faced? I missed that.

It was a rumor. Affleck never confirmed it.

 

[Greens]

Affleck has said barely anything about his film.

 

[wnjcwjkk]

I haven't seen the film yet, so I'm withholding judgement until I see the full performance in the context of the movie. But man, that first SS comic con trailer had me pumped for the film and Leto's Joker portrayal. And from what I've heard of the movie, it doesn't sound exactly like what I had in mind, but I'll wait and see.


I did watch the deleted scene with Harley chasing Joker down. Thought it was okay, but I wasn't exactly blown away by Leto's performance. It seemed like somebody trying to act as crazy and theatrical as possible. Although, the pop star look with the grill, clothes, and tats took me a while to get used to, but now I like it. So, maybe it'll be the same with his performance


I also watched most of the introduction to Harley (the electroshock, Common scene, and Batman scene. It goes a bit too fast through her story, with the cuts and the purple filter, like they were really rushing through it, felt more like a trailer than a movie scene, so I'm hoping maybe the extended cut fleshes it out a little.

When I first saw Ledger pull off the mask and say "stranger", I was intrigued, I couldn't wait to see more, and then when he enters the gangster meeting, I was completely in the movie, hanging on every word. I'm just not quite getting that magnetic pull from this Joker, where I feel like I have to see more. Perhaps it's not Leto's performance so much as the writing, dialogue, and direction. Though Idk, I did get a bit too much of a Jim Carrey vibe from his delivery and mannerisms on some of the lines.

And I'm not one of those who has to compare it to the Nolan films. I'm fine with it being it's own thing. But I do want to have that same level of interest and fascination that I got from Dark Knight. I really want to like this movie and Joker, just a little bummed it's not the movie I pictured in my head when I saw the first trailer.Even if I don't particularly care for Suicide Squad or have my expectations met with this Joker, I'll still be really intrigued and excited when he comes back in a Batman solo film, to see what Affleck can get out of him

 

[-JKR-]

Apprehensive about his rewrites in JL?

A little bit. And also about him being 'the big leader' at DC Entertainment. I'm not a huge fan of his, so having him push his vision onto filmmakers isn't something I'm really looking for.

I'm not even a huge fan of how Marvel Studios mostly handles things, so there's that.

I'd rather have the DC movie adaptations to be 'filmmaker-driven' as they had initially announced. But that seems to be less and less the case, as they've started Marvel-izing their process when Suicide Squad was in post-production.

P.S.: Heath Ledger's Joker was in no way broody. He really caught the essence of the character, on so did Christopher Nolan's movie.

 

[wnjcwjkk]

I really like his look. Even the tats and grill have grown on me. The flamboyant rock star, pop idol pimp, Mexican cartel look, and the James Cagney gangster tux, it all works really well for me. Joker is flashy and loves calling attention to himself, so it all makes sense. And I like that this is more of a gangland crime boss take, while still being an insane anarchist. Ledger's anarchist terrorist works as somebody who shows up in Gotham, causes absolute chaos, then is caught. But his thing wouldn't last for years, nobody would want to work with him. Being a crime boss who has the respect and fear of other criminals gives Joker more longevity so that it makes more sense that he's been terrorizing Gotham for 20 years and other bad guys are still willing to work for him. The overall concept and image of this Joker O think is a great way to follow up what Ledger did, offering a Psycho who can scare the hell out of you, but a portrayal that can stand on it's own outside of the shadow of Ledger, because it brings something unique and fresh to the table. I think Letoker is spot on, he just needs a good script and direction to work with

 

[wnjcwjkk]

A little bit. And also about him being 'the big leader' at DC Entertainment. I'm not a huge fan of his, so having him push his vision onto filmmakers isn't something I'm really looking for.

I'm not even a huge fan of how Marvel Studios mostly handles things, so there's that.

I'd rather have the DC movie adaptations to be 'filmmaker-driven' as they had initially announced. But that seems to be less and less the case, as they've started Marvel-izing their process when Suicide Squad was in post-production.

P.S.: Heath Ledger's Joker was in no way broody. He really caught the essence of the character, on so did Christopher Nolan's movie.

Yeah, jury's still out on Johns for me. I think it's a good idea to have a creative team overseeing the entire DCEU, to make sure the films and character portrayals are all heading in a common direction, and bring in somebody with an encyclopedic knowledge of DC comics, but I've never been wowed by any of Johns' stories, they were always middle of the road for me, and middle of the road is not what I wanna see from DCEU, I want them to take risks and get creative. I've only read the first two volumes in the new 52 Justice League, but it was very Run of the mill, nothing that exciting or captivating (like the first couple years of Snyder's run on Batman, for example). Snyder, Brubaker, Rucka, Azzarello are some of the names that would have Me a little more excited.

 

[-JKR-]

And his much acclaimed takes on Green Lantern and the Flash ain't all that, either. And of course we're getting HIS version of Barry Allen, when there are decades of material (and Flash character) a director could look at for inspiration to make something fresh and unique (while still true to the chracter's mythology and core).
Even that interview with him babbling about the movies now being all about "hope" (which actually was a pretty clear theme at the end of Batman V Superman, by the way, as Bruce Wayne had lost all hope, but found it again thanks to Superman) was cringeworthy. I'm really looking forward to see the DC adaptations become more and more generic.
Honestly, I think they would've been just fine with Zack Snyder overseeing and producing the DC movies.
Comic book adaptations DO NOT need a figure like Kevin Feige pulling strings to make them work. Richard Donner did just fine without someone like Feige in the 1970s!
And so did lots of other filmmakers and their great movies.

 

[bapi]

Sounds like every single time Leto is speaking it's ADR ffs.

 

[NotNickFury]

And his much acclaimed takes on Green Lantern and the Flash ain't all that, either. And of course we're getting HIS version of Barry Allen, when there are decades of material (and Flash character) a director could look at for inspiration to make something fresh and unique (while still true to the chracter's mythology and core).
Even that interview with him babbling about the movies now being all about "hope" (which actually was a pretty clear theme at the end of Batman V Superman, by the way, as Bruce Wayne had lost all hope, but found it again thanks to Superman) was cringeworthy. I'm really looking forward to see the DC adaptations become more and more generic.
Honestly, I think they would've been just fine with Zack Snyder overseeing and producing the DC movies.
Comic book adaptations DO NOT need a figure like Kevin Feige pulling strings to make them work. Richard Donner did just fine without someone like Feige in the 1970s!
And so did lots of other filmmakers and their great movies.

There was also no standard for superhero films in 1978 versus now. Times have changed since then and audiences, us included on this very forum, have expectations about what they expect from comic book based films and shows, sometimes those expectations are met and, at times, they aren't. And with DC floundering to play catch-up, having a Feige type may not be necessary, but it sure as heck would help, given how Feige has helped shape the MCU.

I mean, you seem to not be in favor of Johns overseeing the DC films, so what would you suggest?

 

[-JKR-]

Following a standard limits creativity. Not every comic book adaptation needs to be like the Marvel movies. Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy wasn't, and those are still some of the greatest comic book adaptations ever. Neither did Deadpool follow the Marvel Studios formula (they managed to make a great movie with just a great director, writers and star/producer, and no Kevin Feige-like guy overseeing everything? Wow! How did they pull THAT off!?!), and Logan doesn't look like it will, either.

I've already said it more than once, I'd be much more interested in the DC Comics adaptations being more directors-driven than Marvel Studios'. Allow the directors to make something special and fresh with the characters, by really stretching what makes each character so unique, instead of having everything be so... amalgamated.

My #1 suggestion: Get great talent to write and direct and strive for greatness, instead of a 'standard.' Make every single movie REALLY count and have its own sensibility. Allow for Suicide Squad to REALLY be David Ayer's movie. For the Flash director to REALLY be his, and so forth, instead of just bringing Geoff Johns' *********ions to the big screen and following a standard which may have worked for Marvel Studios, but which I don't think should be used as a golden standard in the industry.

We're sadly reverting back to committee-driven tentpole movies, instead of allowing directors to bring an interesting vision based on a comic book property to the big screen.

 

[Greens]

I've already said it more than once, I'd be much more interested in the DC Comics adaptations being more directors-driven than Marvel Studios'. Allow the directors to make something special and fresh with the characters, by really stretching what makes each character so unique, instead of having everything be so... amalgamated.

My #1 suggestion: Get great talent to write and direct and strive for greatness, instead of a 'standard.' Make every single movie REALLY count and have its own sensibility. Allow for Suicide Squad to REALLY be David Ayer's movie. For the Flash director to REALLY be his, and so forth, instead of just bringing Geoff Johns' *********ions to the big screen and following a standard which may have worked for Marvel Studios, but which I don't think should be used as a golden standard in the industry.

We're sadly reverting back to committee-driven tentpole movies, instead of allowing directors to bring an interesting vision based on a comic book property to the big screen.

Agreed. They never should have talked about the director driven approach. They've ****ed with their directors twice now. It's embarrassing.

 

[Bats123]

I didnt think this Joker could get any worse but they actually did it.
He's so ****ing over the top, it feels as if Ayer told Leto "just improvise this" most of the time.
Please Affleck, fix this.

 

[hellblazer103]

Well I watched the extended cut.

The Joker's still ****ing terrible in my book.

Plus, as some guessed , it's even worse than what we got . He's ****ing ANNOYING. Sure , The Joker can be a nuisance to other characters, but to be so unbearably irritating in a legitimate manner to the audience themselves ? That's another thing entirely...

 

[dc_mos]

Leto was good. And he can be great, i just want to see more.