Jared Leto IS The Joker - Part 9

[The Joker]

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[The Joker]

I don't see anything to really talk about yet. That Dark Knight Trailer was focused almost solely on the Joker. A Comic-Con Sneak Peak that wasn't supposed to be public over a year before release that gives off a small tease of him isn't any comparison to that.

Two points on this;

1. It was being shown at Comic Con, one of the biggest events for movies of this genre, if not the biggest, to promote their up coming movies, so it was obviously meant to promote the movie and spread word of mouth about what had been shown. Otherwise what's the point.

2. All of a sudden people are saying we didn't see enough of Leto to make any judgements on his performance, and there's nothing to really talk about. That is just not true, and I don't think anyone believes that, especially given the reaction across the internet. And I don't mean positive reaction, but a reaction in general to what was shown. 2 weeks ago people were being sold on his performance, declaring he will be the scariest Joker yet, that he has nailed the Joker mannerisms, that he will be their favorite Joker etc. But now this footage is not enough to warrant anyone give a response to their impression of it. He was put in the trailer to give people a taste of what kind of Joker we're getting. We saw him in motion, we heard him talk, we even got close up shot of him. There was plenty there to give a notable impression of the character. It's not like he appeared in a brief 2 second blink and you'll miss him shot.

I've just been reading posts here on the previous page of people saying they see reactions of people in awe of what they saw of him in the trailer. So the footage is enough to make people in awe, but not enough to for anyone to make any comment or opinion on. I don't think so. That is just illogical and contradictory.

Also that news article says "gushed to MTV News" come on, MTV obviously asked them. Actors and Directors don't go emailing MTV News when they think something looks cool lol

Fair point. I'll concede to that. But it doesn't change anything. For example the awesome Bruce Timm commented on Harley's look when she was nothing but set photos; http://batman-news.com/2015/05/05/h...ruce-timm-comments-on-her-suicide-squad-look/

Yet we saw proper footage of the new Joker, complete with voice dialogue, acting style, close up shots, the whole thing, and nobody of note has even made a whisper about what they saw. The silence about him, his look, his trailer footage from any notable people is deafening. This is the Joker. He's nearly as big as Batman is.

I think most feel like he nailed that scene. The hope is that he's as good or better throughout other scenes in the movie.
Also just because someone projects that he's going to be the scariest doesnt mean he's projected to be the best. Or that its the best/true take on the character.

Whether they think he nailed the scene, or hope he's just as good, it's not really the point. The fact is they were saying those 20 seconds of footage sold them on his character, and that he would be the scariest Joker yet, the best Joker yet etc. Nobody was talking about him nailing the scene. We don't even know what the full scene is. People were talking about the character, not the scene. Yet nobody was calling them out on this because it was just 15 to 20 seconds of footage. But the idea that some notable people would give their impression on what they saw of him in the trailer is somehow silly to expect.

No offense but it's a contradictory argument.

@TheJoker

It seems you just have this aversion to your favorite character having tats and fillings. Doesnt matter how well or how done they are.

Thats fine. There are those who just couldnt get over the smeared makeup Joker in TDK. We all have our preferences and limits.

Ledger won the oscar and some people still didnt feel he looked like the Joker or even represented the Joker. Some just view him as an all time villain, a very scary anarchist, but not the Joker.

Just like there are those opinions that are out there. There will be those who will never accept a tatted up and teeth knocked out Joker. We all like and accept what we like.

I'm not sure (and I believe you've stated this) how well the performance is it wont change your opinion.

I can't imagine any version of Joker having tattoos all over his body, and even one plastered across his forehead, and it being well done. It's just a bad look for the character to me. I held out the hope after the first pic that maybe he would be suited up for most of the movie and the bulk of the tattoos would be hidden (even though nothing would hide the damaged tattoo unless Joker started combing his fringe down). But then we see set pics of him in his natty suits with the shirt open at the chest showing off the tattoos!

I can't argue how comic accurate Leto's Joker will be character wise, because I know literally nothing about his characterization or plot in the movie. But I can say and prove how comic accurate Heath's was (most comic accurate next to Hamill's); http://jokerfans.blogspot.ie/

But right now his comic book accuracy in terms of character is not really a concern for me. I don't buy any of the Robin as the Joker BS theories either. I've no worries about Leto's acting. He's practically guaranteed to be great because he's a fantastic actor.

Yes, no matter how good his performance may be, it won't help me overlook his horrible design. It's not something that's easy to ignore because it's so big, blatant, and literally in your face. It would be easier to ignore the Schumacher bat nipples because they're smaller and less noticeable.

So I'll just respect your opinion and let it go.

Thank you

 

[Jekecy]

I'll tell you what stands out about it for me. We got this huge overwhelming positive reaction Heath's Joker got from the trailer like a couple of days after it leaked on-line, with several notable names stepping up to share their enthusiasm, and this was before Nolan had become a really big name, and even before Heath's death added publicity to the movie.

Now we have the next Joker following in the footsteps of a version who is considered one of cinema's greatest villains. You'd think there would be extra attention paid to this one, and more gauging of people's reactions to see what they think, or even how he measures up to the big shoes he's been left to fill.

But nothing. I was actually waiting to see if people like Dini, or Del Toro, or Hamill, or any comic book alumni would say anything.

For what it's worth, the SS trailer is now a couple million views ahead of BvS, despite being released three days later. And as far as social media feedback, a recent report for post-CC touted it as the second most discussed. Surely these are two points worth considering?

Because I have doubts it's Will Smith, a bunch of C and D listers, or even the dazzling Margot Robbie as Harley, that's getting people all riled up. I think all this is from the 5 seconds we've seen of Leto.

In spite of the lack of "official" remarks, I think the fact it has even got to the level of being discussed in the same breath as BvS is a monumental revelation for both the studio and fans alike. I don't think the most supportive fans of this property could have predicted that.

 

[Silly Cat]

For what it's worth, the SS trailer is now a couple million views ahead of BvS, despite being released three days later. And as far as social media feedback, a recent report for post-CC touted it as the second most discussed. Surely these are two points worth considering?

Because I have doubts it's Will Smith, a bunch of C and D listers, or even the dazzling Margot Robbie as Harley, that's getting people all riled up. I think all this is from the 5 seconds we've seen of Leto.

In spite of the lack of "official" remarks, I think the fact it has even got to the level of being discussed in the same breath as BvS is a monumental revelation for both the studio and fans alike. I don't think the most supportive fans of this property could have predicted that.

That is the power of the Joker.

People underestimate him, but the truth is he is just as iconic as Batman and Superman. He is right up there with them as one of the most popular and beloved comic book characters of all time.

Leto's Joker is definitely the big draw of this film, the majority of people I know want to go see Suicide Squad BECAUSE they want to see Leto's Joker, they are also curious about the idea of villains having to work together, but ultimately the Joker is what has gotten them excited.

If it was just Will Smith and Margot Robbie I don't think as many people would be excited, although the film would probably still do well...it just wouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as BvS.

Joker makes all the difference.

 

[batman1]

That is the power of the Joker.

People underestimate him, but the truth is he is just as iconic as Batman and Superman. He is right up there with them as one of the most popular and beloved comic book characters of all time.

Leto's Joker is definitely the big draw of this film, the majority of people I know want to go see Suicide Squad BECAUSE they want to see Leto's Joker, they are also curious about the idea of villains having to work together, but ultimately the Joker is what has gotten them excited.

If it was just Will Smith and Margot Robbie I don't think as many people would be excited, although the film would probably still do well...it just wouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as BvS.

Joker makes all the difference.

Joker is awesome!!

 

[The Joker]

For what it's worth, the SS trailer is now a couple million views ahead of BvS, despite being released three days later. And as far as social media feedback, a recent report for post-CC touted it as the second most discussed. Surely these are two points worth considering?

Because I have doubts it's Will Smith, a bunch of C and D listers, or even the dazzling Margot Robbie as Harley, that's getting people all riled up. I think all this is from the 5 seconds we've seen of Leto.

In spite of the lack of "official" remarks, I think the fact it has even got to the level of being discussed in the same breath as BvS is a monumental revelation for both the studio and fans alike. I don't think the most supportive fans of this property could have predicted that.

I'm not surprised by that at all. The Joker is easily one of cinema's most iconic characters, and after TDK considered one of the greatest movie villains of all time. He's up there with Darth Vader and Hannibal Lecter.

The fact that he's pulling in extra attention to SS over Batman vs Superman just re-enforces what I've been saying. The whole world and it's mother is waiting to see the next incarnation of the character. I thought it was a little strange when there was no notable feedback about his look when it was revealed, especially considering the ruckus it caused. I mean people like Bruce Timm commented on Harley's look back when she was just set photos. Then we get actual footage of Joker in the trailer. We hear the laugh, we see his acting style, we hear his voice and dialogue, close up shots of him in action....the full monty. And still not a soul apart from the usual fan reactions have said anything. We're talking about a character who's so iconic that he's pulling more attention to the movie than Batman vs Superman.

Though I personally wouldn't give sole credit to Joker for that. Suicide Squad is DC's first attempt at an Avengers-esque type movie. Having a bunch of colorful characters working together as a team. They've even got the green monster Croc in there as the Hulk substitute. That's definitely going to be a draw.

Batman vs Superman is definitely big, but it's also the sequel to Man of Steel, under the direction of Snyder again. MOS didn't get a great reception from fans and critics. Lukewarm at best. So I definitely think that's also a factor. In fact if I'm being honest I'd say it's more Batman and Wonder Woman that is intriguing people rather than Superman himself. At this point Batman is a much hotter cinematic property than Superman.

 

[dario2739]

Batman vs Superman is definitely big, but it's also the sequel to Man of Steel, under the direction of Snyder again. MOS didn't get a great reception from fans and critics. Lukewarm at best.

That doesn't mean it wasn't a great film –some of the best movies of all time were a box office flop – box office takings are no measure of a films quality – look at Titanic or Age of Ultron!
I personally believe that MOS is the best comic book movie made to date. It seemed to me that it got some bad reviews because critics were brought up on Donner's Superman and were expecting more of the same.

 

[Slade W]

I'm not surprised by that at all. The Joker is easily one of cinema's most iconic characters, and after TDK considered one of the greatest movie villains of all time. He's up there with Darth Vader and Hannibal Lecter.

The fact that he's pulling in extra attention to SS over Batman vs Superman just re-enforces what I've been saying. The whole world and it's mother is waiting to see the next incarnation of the character. I thought it was a little strange when there was no notable feedback about his look when it was revealed, especially considering the ruckus it caused. I mean people like Bruce Timm commented on Harley's look back when she was just set photos. Then we get actual footage of Joker in the trailer. We hear the laugh, we see his acting style, we hear his voice and dialogue, close up shots of him in action....the full monty. And still not a soul apart from the usual fan reactions have said anything. We're talking about a character who's so iconic that he's pulling more attention to the movie than Batman vs Superman.

Though I personally wouldn't give sole credit to Joker for that. Suicide Squad is DC's first attempt at an Avengers-esque type movie. Having a bunch of colorful characters working together as a team. They've even got the green monster Croc in there as the Hulk substitute. That's definitely going to be a draw.

Batman vs Superman is definitely big, but it's also the sequel to Man of Steel, under the direction of Snyder again. MOS didn't get a great reception from fans and critics. Lukewarm at best. So I definitely think that's also a factor. In fact if I'm being honest I'd say it's more Batman and Wonder Woman that is intriguing people rather than Superman himself. At this point Batman is a much hotter cinematic property than Superman.

Good post. I pretty much agree with everything you say. There are a number of reasons that I am looking forward to Suicide Squad more than I am BvS (although I should say that I am really excited about BvS also). I think it will have more interesting characters and a more interesting story. I also think it has more potential to be funny in a dark way. But above all, the main reason I want to see the film is because the Joker is in it. He is absolutely one of the best fictional characters of all time and if he is done well then he will raise the level of whatever film or story he is in. I am very excited to see how he is played in the film and also what role he will play and what he will do.

 

[Angel0fDeath]

Ok, I know I've brought this up before, but now the Ace Chemicals set pictures got me thinking about it again. What if :

When he's torturing Harley (?) - that's early on, pale with tattoos,

but later in the movie he falls in the acid and becomes really perma white and loses the tatts ?

Now, before you say I'm desperate and I want the tattoos gone, I don't mind them - never did, since I have tattoos myself. Not on the forehead, but still.

 

[regwec]

He is white in the torture scene, but the lighting gives everything a jaundiced look. Look at his nipples- they are bleached the same colour as the rest of his flesh.

The light is a much starker white where he is wearing the black coat, making his skin look chalk-white. I think the motion and focus obscures the tattoo on his head, which is written in a very fine script.

 

[Greens]

It's a bit convenient that a vat of acid would make a pale person slightly more pale.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Stretch imagination. Suspend disbelief...

 

[regwec]

It was always supposed to be miscellaneous chemicals rather than acid per se, anyway.

 

[Greens]

That's not the point, it's that Joker is pale... and the chemicals make him... more pale. What's the point of that? What does it add?

 

[Greens]

By the way, not sure if this was posted but Leto has been spotted in Toronto again

 

[I Am The Knight]

Look at his nipples-

You had to go there.

 

[Knight-Tale]

People really do want to wish away the tattoos but me personally I've come to love them. Its almost like without them he isn't near so terrifying or intimidating.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

Yeah, it's gotten to the point for me that I'd actually be disappointed if they disappeared.
I've never had a problem with them and they've just grown on me more and more.

The one on his forehead can go though..
Maybe batman can hit him with the bat brander.Burn that ***** off.
It would actually be pretty funny imo if joker had a bat shaped scar on his forehead.

 

[DeadStroke]

FWIW,

over on the BvS boards they said the original concept art was shown at Comic Con.

It featured a Joker with a few tats and another one where he had no tats at all.

I think it was Sndyer idea to have him with tats. I think it was either Leto or Ayer who decided to have his body filled with tats.

People say Joker looks like a gang member. I'd say with his tats and style he looks more like a guy in the Russian mafia. Think Eastern Promises.

Too bad people couldnt get pics of the no tats concept art.

 

[Silly Cat]

That doesn't mean it wasn't a great film –some of the best movies of all time were a box office flop – box office takings are no measure of a films quality – look at Titanic or Age of Ultron!

I just want to clarify that MOS wasn't a 'flop', it did very well at the box office, hence we are getting a DC Cinematic Universe BUILT from it!

If it had been a flop and a disaster then we wouldn't be getting BvS and Suicide Squad, and it wouldn't be the cornerstone of the DCEU.

So MOS was successful, yes it was a polarizing film, but Superman himself is a bit of a polarizing figure, much more so then Batman. Everyone has their own ideas of how he should be presented and Snyder wanted to go for a more 'modern' and 'realistic' take on the character.

So their was bound to be a measure of people who love the more silver age version of the character, who didn't like it.

I personally believe that MOS is the best comic book movie made to date. It seemed to me that it got some bad reviews because critics were brought up on Donner's Superman and were expecting more of the same.

I love MOS too, let's just say it was the film that truly made me fall in love with Superman.

I was never into the Donner films growing up, although I give them their due for their importance in film history. But for me as a child, it was Burton's Batman films (I was a Batman girl through and through t I didn't really start getting into Superman until years later when I started reading more about him, and then when MOS came out it felt like finally!

I understand him now.

But that's just me.

 

[The Shape]

That's not the point, it's that Joker is pale... and the chemicals make him... more pale. What's the point of that? What does it add?

What's the point of what you're trying to say? What do you mean in this instance? I don't understand.

 

[regwec]

I think Greens was trying to point out the unlikelihood in the other poster's idea, namely that The Joker (who is pretty white to begin with) takes a chemical bath to make him a bit whiter.

Is that right?

 

[regwec]

The one on his forehead can go though..
Maybe batman can hit him with the bat brander.Burn that ***** off.
It would actually be pretty funny imo if joker had a bat shaped scar on his forehead.

Heh, that's awesome. It could heal up for the solo movie, too.

 

[Greens]

What's the point of what you're trying to say? What do you mean in this instance? I don't understand.

My point is that Joker is Robin and you are a fool for trying to deny that.

 

[The Shape]

I think Greens was trying to point out the unlikelihood in the other poster's idea, namely that The Joker (who is pretty white to begin with) takes a chemical bath to make him a bit whiter.

Is that right?

Yes, I think you're right, and the answer would obviously be "no".