The Dark Knight Rises Joseph Gordon-Levitt as John Blake IV

[Nave 'Torment']

I'll miss these conversations once we see the movie.

It's been fun fellas.

Then we'll just have to move onto discussing Blake's outcome.

Well, some of us will be returning late though -- so yeah, there will be a gap. Been fun fellas :P

 

[shauner111]

JGL has honestly gone through the highest amount of speculation over the last 2 full years. From Riddler and Robin to Alberto Falcone to Black Mask back to Falcone then to Robin/Nightwing/Azrael to the new Batman back to Grayson.

I remember always thinking he looked like he could pull off Grayson very well. And when Inception was in theaters i remember telling friends that he signed on for the last batman movie and he could be the Riddler. Then we walked out of the theater, and all we kept talking about was the guy who played Eames and not Arthur! LOL. Then the Falcone/Sionis rumors hit hardcore when Bane was announced. It's been friggin non-stop ever since.

 

[KalMart]

JGL has honestly gone through the highest amount of speculation over the last 2 full years. From Riddler and Robin to Alberto Falcone to Black Mask back to Falcone then to Robin/Nightwing/Azrael to the new Batman back to Grayson.

I remember always thinking he looked like he could pull off Grayson very well. And when Inception was in theaters i remember telling friends that he signed on for the last batman movie and he could be the Riddler. Then we walked out of the theater, and all we kept talking about was the guy who played Eames and not Arthur! LOL. Then the Falcone/Sionis rumors hit hardcore when Bane was announced. It's been friggin non-stop ever since.

And then ultimately (perhaps) all for naught.

 

[BecomeALegend]

JGL has honestly gone through the highest amount of speculation over the last 2 full years. From Riddler and Robin to Alberto Falcone to Black Mask back to Falcone then to Robin/Nightwing/Azrael to the new Batman back to Grayson.

I remember always thinking he looked like he could pull off Grayson very well. And when Inception was in theaters i remember telling friends that he signed on for the last batman movie and he could be the Riddler. Then we walked out of the theater, and all we kept talking about was the guy who played Eames and not Arthur! LOL. Then the Falcone/Sionis rumors hit hardcore when Bane was announced. It's been friggin non-stop ever since.

When Inception was filming, I was telling everybody that tom Hardy would be the next villain in batman....i just had no clue it would be Bane.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

yeah i thought he'd be Hush or someone. Never bought into the Hugo Strange business. Bane took me off-guard, but my brother kept saying the next would be Bane because of Knightfall. I was always: HELL NO these are all circa YEAR ONE. Little did I know...

 

[DrMylesOBoogie]

Blake getting rave reviews but

Spoiler

not being Grayson/Robin

is going to seem like a wasted opportunity. Does anybody that's seen it agree that they could have just changed his name and done credit to that important part of the Batman mythos?

 

[slimshady247]

Robin is not and has never been essential. While he can be a really great character (The Animated Series, for example), he doesn't really fit with Nolan's take. He could, but this is Bruce's journey.

 

[Nevincer]

Why a wasted opportunity? Do you guys really think revealing him as a character from the comics mythology who he shares almost nothing in common with bar his youth is a good thing?

 

[slimshady247]

Exactly. Wouldn't you want a faithful interpretation rather than a shoehorned reference/character?

 

[Batman jr.]

Blake getting rave reviews but

Spoiler

not being Grayson/Robin

is going to seem like a wasted opportunity. Does anybody that's seen it agree that they could have just changed his name and done credit to that important part of the Batman mythos?

You knew for a few years that Nolan would never include Robin.

 

[Batman jr.]

Exactly. Wouldn't you want a faithful interpretation rather than a shoehorned reference/character?

Butt... Robin being is integrul pard off teh comicz & mythoz

Nolun haz failed us all @@@@

 

[HighFivingMF]

Why a wasted opportunity? Do you guys really think revealing him as a character from the comics mythology who he shares almost nothing in common with bar his youth is a good thing?

But Gambol shoulda been Penguin!

 

[BecomeALegend]

Blake getting rave reviews but

Spoiler

not being Grayson/Robin

is going to seem like a wasted opportunity. Does anybody that's seen it agree that they could have just changed his name and done credit to that important part of the Batman mythos?

Spoiler

he is Robin

it's one of the films biggest twists....his full name is revealed to be John Robin Blake.....we never see him get into a costume, but the film hints that he will in the future

This film is basically half The Dark Knight Returns. half Robin Begins

 

[slimshady247]

Spoiler

he is Robin

it's one of the films biggest twists....his full name is revealed to be John Robin Blake.....we never see him get into a costume, but the film hints that he will in the future

This film is basically half The Dark Knight Returns. half Robin Begins

 

[Batman jr.]

Someone who's married to a friend of a ex-girlfriend's ex-husband told me

Spoiler

that it's all a dream. John Blake was Bruce/Batman all the time & the whole nightmare that Bruce, who's actually John, went through is him refusing to accept it. Miranda is just his psychiatrist who he think is hot & Selina is a fellow patient in his mental institution who practices judo. The end is Batman saying that, if john cures, he'll have a place for him in the cave as Robin. John spins a ball and we cut to black.

 

[DrMylesOBoogie]

You knew for a few years that Nolan would never include Robin.

But he'd include a character that basically highlights the usefullness and need for a Robin. Nolan brought Batman back his respect on film. To me it is a wasted opportunity to do the same for Robin. If anybody could have made it work, it is Nolan.

 

[Batman jr.]

But he'd include a character that basically highlights the usefullness and need for a Robin. Nolan brought Batman back his respect on film. To me it is a wasted opportunity to do the same for Robin. If anybody could have made it work, it is Nolan.

But he won't be in it, is that such a big deal?

 

[HighFivingMF]

But he'd include a character that basically highlights the usefullness and need for a Robin. Nolan brought Batman back his respect on film. To me it is a wasted opportunity to do the same for Robin. If anybody could have made it work, it is Nolan.

Robin's usefulness is helping Gordon?

 

[KalMart]

Why a wasted opportunity? Do you guys really think revealing him as a character from the comics mythology who he shares almost nothing in common with bar his youth is a good thing?

Exactly. Wouldn't you want a faithful interpretation rather than a shoehorned reference/character?

My thoughts exactly from the beginning. If all the other characters he chose to use were at least their 'source' characters in name and identity, it'd be rather inconsistent and half-hearted to suddenly use a surrogate/proxy of a different name and origin for someone who is so major in other usages.

But he'd include a character that basically highlights the usefullness and need for a Robin. Nolan brought Batman back his respect on film. To me it is a wasted opportunity to do the same for Robin. If anybody could have made it work, it is Nolan.

Making it 'work' is one thing...and certainly someone of Nolan's skill could make just about anything work. But his creative prerogative isn't to make anything and everything work, it's to focus on the parts that he feels work best for his version. He made it pretty clear from the beginning that he felt that Robin didn't fit that, and that his version of Batman didn't need him to be complete and satisfying. So there'd be even less reason to use 'part' of him.

And Blake as a young, idealistic and morally steadfast cop (and perhaps the mask-less, moral leader that Gotham's future needs) speaks much more to the ultimate direction of this storyline moreso than having to address the comic mythos. Had there never been a Dock Grayson/Robin in Batman's history, not still wold have been an appropriate choice.

 

[BecomeALegend]

My thoughts exactly from the beginning. If all the other characters he chose to use were at least their 'source' characters in name and identity, it'd be rather inconsistent and half-hearted to suddenly use a surrogate/proxy of a different name and origin for someone who is so major in other usages.


Making it 'work' is one thing...and certainly someone of Nolan's skill could make just about anything work. But his creative prerogative isn't to make anything and everything work, it's to focus on the parts that he feels work best for his version. He made it pretty clear from the beginning that he felt that Robin didn't fit that, and that his version of Batman didn't need him to be complete and satisfying. So there'd be even less reason to use 'part' of him.

And Blake as a young, idealistic and morally steadfast cop (and perhaps the mask-less, moral leader that Gotham's future needs) speaks much more to the ultimate direction of this storyline moreso than having to address the comic mythos. Had there never been a Dock Grayson/Robin in Batman's history, not still wold have been an appropriate choice.

what if he needed Robin to make his ending work?

 

[slimshady247]

what if he needed Robin to make his ending work?

He obviously doesn't, hence the early critical acclaim.

 

[BecomeALegend]

He obviously doesn't, hence the early critical acclaim.

how do you know he doesn't?


if Bruce wants to not be Batman anymore and has to leave gotham, who's gonna protect Gotham?

 

[slimshady247]

how do you know he doesn't?


if Bruce wants to not be Batman anymore and has to leave gotham, who's gonna protect Gotham?

Blake. That doesn't mean he has to be Robin.

 

[BecomeALegend]

Blake. That doesn't mean he has to be Robin.

I hear what you're saying...his name indeed IS John Blake. Nobody is disputing that.

 

[KalMart]

what if he needed Robin to make his ending work?

I think the point is that he doesn't. Much like he wasn't looking to Dent to become a costumed crusader in the last film. THis time, it looks like it will take.