Justice League: News and Speculation - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 40

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[DeadPresident]

There's going to be conflict within the team. Thats the whole nature of having a team with different personalities. Some personalities will inevitably clash. The Avengers did it in their movies (and just had an entire film about clashing with each other) the X-Men did it, its just how it works.

Snyder's test here will be to bring about a satisfying way of stopping their bickering and have them work together as a cohesive unit. AKA SUPERMAN. Superman needs to be the core and heart of the team. The story is pretty much already laid out for Snyder, I think only tricky part will be plausibly bringing Supes back from dead and getting him to lead a team so soon.

Superman has been the core and heart of the DCEU story, Snyder was the one that laid the story out. This isn't aimed at you but a general sentiment around here, I don't understand why people can't separate an inconsistently executed movie with a well planned story line. Snyder has spent two movies meticulously showing humans being skeptical of Superman after the events of MoS, and then subsequently accept him as their savior in BvS after he sacrifices himself.

The only thing that makes sense is for Superman to return and for him to experience the fact that earth and its inhabitants now sanction him as their protector. Unless that city-wide vigil for the Man of Steel was just irrelevant footage the film crew had lying around but didn't actually mean anything. It's also safe to assume that if humans have accepted him as their protector, the other JL members will see him as the logical leader to rally around.

 

[Guts]

 

[Limonade]

Superman has been the core and heart of the DCEU story, Snyder was the one that laid the story out. This isn't aimed at you but a general sentiment around here, I don't understand why people can't separate an inconsistently executed movie with a well planned story line. Snyder has spent two movies meticulously showing humans being skeptical of Superman after the events of MoS, and then subsequently accept him as their savior in BvS after he sacrifices himself.

The only thing that makes sense is for Superman to return and for him to experience the fact that earth and its inhabitants now sanction him as their protector. Unless that city-wide vigil for the Man of Steel was just irrelevant footage the film crew had lying around but didn't actually mean anything. It's also safe to assume that if humans have accepted him as their protector, the other JL members will see him as the logical leader to rally around.

Part of me thinks they wrote themselves in a corner in regards to Superman. But on the other hand, they could turn this into an opportunity for a last minute save by the Man of Steel near the end of the movie.

It's hard to decipher because the script that was written for BvS probably didn't really meshed well with the Snyder's hyper cut theatrical release. I would like to read the script and see what clues they may have left to give me a hint in the direction they were going for.

But I'd gather that--much of what was written had been pieced together and rewritten so many times, they might as well have improvised the entire movie start to finish. lol

 

[Miss Lois Lane]

Superman returns from the dead

Superman: Hey, can I join you?

JL: Nah, we good.-Cyborg, BATS- We already got the comedic of the group, the sexy but fierce female on the group, and a blck guy as well, oh and the brooding fellow who talks to fish...I almost forgot...We also have the ultimate badass; gorgeous, funny, sensitive, dark of all, ME.

Supes: Screw you guys! I'm going home.

Sister Ruth, I your love of red lipstick - but Batfleck as gorgeous, funny and sensitive? Girl please.

 

[DeadPresident]

Part of me thinks they wrote themselves in a corner in regards to Superman. But on the other hand, they could turn this into an opportunity for a last minute save by the Man of Steel near the end of the movie.

It's hard to decipher because the script that was written for BvS probably didn't really meshed well with the Snyder's hyper cut theatrical release. I would like to read the script and see what clues they may have left to give me a hint in the direction they were going for.

But I'd gather that--much of what was written had been pieced together and rewritten so many times, they might as well have improvised the entire movie start to finish. lol

IMO the story has been quite transparent and logical from the outset. It's fairly clear to me the Christ allegories aren't just about symbolism in Snyder's interpretation of Superman, I think the 3 story arc of MoS-BvS-JL will close the loop on the entire Christ motif we've seen from the beginning. He's been the wayward wanderer, he's been the persecuted pariah, he's been crucified, now all that's left is for him to be resurrected and revered by Earth.

Everyone leapt onto the Christ imagery in MoS and criticized it but nobody seems to have lambasted BvS for it.

If we're talking about technical plot execution then yeah BvS was kind of all over the shop, if we're talking about it delivering on thematic aspects I'd say it's staying the same course we started on.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Sister Ruth, I your love of red lipstick - but Batfleck as gorgeous, funny and sensitive? Girl please.

Got a problem with my boy?

 

[JtheDreamer]

He's been the wayward wanderer, he's been the persecuted pariah, he's been crucified, now all that's left is for him to be resurrected and revered by Earth.

Resurrected to be used as a weapon against humanity. Why do I get the feeling Snyder never learns and that's the route he's going.

 

[Sleiek]

I gotta say Bruce Wayne in JL doesn't look as cool as he looked in BvS.

I like his pissed off look.

 

[DeadPresident]

Resurrected to be used as a weapon against humanity. Why do I get the feeling Snyder never learns and that's the route he's going.

You don't want Snyder to learn, you want exactly what you just mentioned to happen so you can come back to the Hype and whine about it until the cows come home? Probably.

 

[OutOfBoose]

I gotta say Bruce Wayne in JL doesn't look as cool as he looked in BvS.

I like his pissed off look.

Yeah, in the JL footage he's kinda mellow. Of course I'm not saying he's going to be like that throughout the movie. But angry Batffleck is amazing.

 

[mohoo]

Now I'm starting to like the idea of an evil Superman.

I don't want him to be brainwashed or forced to be evil, but in a way that only his body was resurrected and used, and it's up to the team (and especially Lois) to find a way to resurrect his soul.

I don't think that will happen though. Maybe they'll reach him before that point.

They put the Knightmare in BvS for a reason, and I think the reason is that they want to show us that possible story line now because it's not what they decided to go with in JL.

 

[JtheDreamer]

You don't want Snyder to learn, you want exactly what you just mentioned to happen so you can come back to the Hype and whine about it until the cows come home? Probably.

You got me.

I want another chitty movie to waste my hope and money on. Makes complete sense.

 

[Miss Lois Lane]

Got a problem with my boy?

Yes! Bruce and his terrible hairpiece tried to kill my boy and didn't have half the talent or passion of this flaw-free Kryptonian General! Fight me!!!

 

[mohoo]

I gotta say Bruce Wayne in JL doesn't look as cool as he looked in BvS.

I like his pissed off look.

I think bearded serious Bruce was very cool.

I agree though, I really like the angry Bruce.

.. and angry Superman

.. and angry Aquaman

.. and now I want to see an angry Flash!

 

[OutOfBoose]

You got me.

I want another chitty movie to waste my hope and money. Makes complete sense.

Everything will be just like you said. Chitty movie. Zack doesn't learn. DCEU is doomed. Cancel and reboot. Not to mention, rights back to Marvel ASAP.

 

[Guts]

 

[DeadPresident]

You got me.

I want another chitty movie to waste my hope and money. Makes complete sense.

About as much sense as it makes for people to come on the Hype and repeatedly insist that nothing is going to work out well even when presented with potential indications that there will be improvement

Hype-yokels don't make any sense.

 

[VelcroWallet]

Hahahaha

 

[OutOfBoose]

So... Superman and Aquaman are going to become bros?

 

[AbradolfLincler]

Superman has been the core and heart of the DCEU story, Snyder was the one that laid the story out. This isn't aimed at you but a general sentiment around here, I don't understand why people can't separate an inconsistently executed movie with a well planned story line. Snyder has spent two movies meticulously showing humans being skeptical of Superman after the events of MoS, and then subsequently accept him as their savior in BvS after he sacrifices himself.

The only thing that makes sense is for Superman to return and for him to experience the fact that earth and its inhabitants now sanction him as their protector. Unless that city-wide vigil for the Man of Steel was just irrelevant footage the film crew had lying around but didn't actually mean anything. It's also safe to assume that if humans have accepted him as their protector, the other JL members will see him as the logical leader to rally around.

Lol No. BvS was a reactionary film which was meant as a response to the backlash of MOS. It wasn't planned at all. Snyrder, in fact, has famously talked about coming up with the idea days prior to announcing the film at comiccon.

Thing is, Superman fans LOVE to use this excuse to turn him into the leader of the League, but nobody else is buying it. I've never seen a group of people so unwilling to compromise before. It's at the point where half of this board's superman fans have disappeared because Batman will be putting the team together. Ridiculous...

As a Batman fan, I'm accustomed to him being the leader. It gives him significance as the only human in the group, and it gives him a certain power that he wouldn't otherwise have among these gods.

But even in light of this, I'm willing to compromise and have the leadership role split three ways between Bats, Supes, and Wondy.

That's apparent not enough for Superman fans, though. Superman must not only be the most powerful member of the league, he absolutely HAS to be the leader otherwise the movie will be ****...

Sorry, but that drives me CRAZY...

 

[VelcroWallet]

Superman needs friends more than Barry does. lol

 

[OutOfBoose]

Yes! Bruce and his terrible hairpiece tried to kill my boy and didn't have half the talent or passion of this flaw-free Kryptonian General! Fight me!!!

Zod's dead, baby. Zod's dead.

 

[AbradolfLincler]

IMO the story has been quite transparent and logical from the outset. It's fairly clear to me the Christ allegories aren't just about symbolism in Snyder's interpretation of Superman, I think the 3 story arc of MoS-BvS-JL will close the loop on the entire Christ motif we've seen from the beginning. He's been the wayward wanderer, he's been the persecuted pariah, he's been crucified, now all that's left is for him to be resurrected and revered by Earth.

Everyone leapt onto the Christ imagery in MoS and criticized it but nobody seems to have lambasted BvS for it.

If we're talking about technical plot execution then yeah BvS was kind of all over the shop, if we're talking about it delivering on thematic aspects I'd say it's staying the same course we started on.

Ugghh... Please no...