Justice League Status Updates Thread - Part 1

[Jake Cassidy]

The Flash costume is iconic.

 

[Eddie Brock]

Indeed. And really, this is the Flash we're talking about. This isn't Thor or Wonder Woman, who has a complicated mythos that needs to be explained. It's a guy that runs really fast. That's as easily consumable as any superhero you can find.

 

[Lily Adler]

Which is why Wondy needs the solo film much more than Flash.

 

[Eddie Brock]

Which is why Wondy needs the solo film much more than Flash.

I agree. I don't think the problem is whether or not WW is iconic. (She certainly is, IMO.) It's just that WW needs some explanation.

EDIT: That being said, I think a Flash movie would be more successful. As I said, he's easily consumable for the GA. Get a charismatic actor under the mask, give him some wit and charm, and you've got a solid superhero film.

 

[Lantern Venom]

I'll be blunt: cartoons don't matter. "Cartoons are for kids." They do not add to GA exposure in any really meaningful way. The best way to measure GA exposure is to ask yourself "Has this character gotten a live action adaptation on TV or big screen?" If the answer is "yes," then they have GA awareness. If not, then they don't.

Which means prior to the modern era, the only super heroes with GA awareness were Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, the Hulk, and *just barely* Spider-man. It means that, now today, everybody in Avengers has more GA awareness than Wonder Woman ( a huge megahit movie now is worth more than a TV show in the 70s ). It also, sadly, means that when looking at Green Lantern's GA exposure, Ryan Reynolds is worth more than all the cartoons combined. Sigh.

Flash had his own TV series too. Most of the JLA has been live-action at one time or another, and audiences will certainly recognize their names, but it doesn't have the recent building blocks of Avengers.

While I can see your point about cartoons and older adults, it would still be a good idea for WB to do some PG-13 animated DVDs that would lead into the JLA movie. Teens/college students would be lured by those.

 

[Radioactive1980]

"Even separate from the fame issue, how can anyone be more iconic than Captain freaking America?!!" - RadioActive1980.....Really? LOL it's not hard trust me. He's one of the more well-known characters in Marvel no doubt, and he's inspirational to a lot of people im sure. Not me, because im just not into the whole "american soldier patriotic thing with no charisma" but i see its appeal. But he's not as iconic as you seem to think. Not worldwide. He's not in the top 5 superheroes that's for sure. Not everybody knows he is either.

Im sorry but everyone knows who Wonder Woman, Flash and Aquaman are. Whether they look at them as goofy because they havent seen a movie that has taken them seriously? It's irrelevant. Whether they know their real names? Irrelevant to what im saying. Do they know their names, what they look like and a general idea of what they can do? Yes.

WRONG.
INCORRECT.
NOT TRUE.
FALSE.

Look man, this is going round in circles.
The fact is outside of USA not everyone does know who WW, Flash and Aquaman are. Certainly not in the UK, you need to understand this. Neither of those three are anywhere near as well known or iconic worldwide as the big three- Superman, Spider-Man & Batman.

I'm clearly a Marvel guy, and you a DC, as such it appears we both might see our respective heros to be a little bigger than they actually are in the real world. Captain America for example, in the MU, is everyones hero- everyone looks up to him including Spider-Man. Whereas in the real world Spidey is much more popular. That is what I meant by how can anyone be more iconic than Cap.

You read DC comics and as such see Flash and Aquaman as the larger than life heros they are in the DC universe, without realising that outside of America you could hold up a picture of them to the average kid on the street and he would not have a clue who they are.

 

[Micromind]

Most people around the world (not living in US.) can list following JL heroes and they can identify them them -

Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman and Green Lantern.

Flash, Martian Manhunter and Aquaman are not well known.

As for Marvel, those Marvel characters who have got their solo movies and were in Avengers are known. (Five years ago nobody knew about Captain America, Iron Man, Nick Fury, Black Widow and Hawkeye.)

Five years ago only well known Marvel Superheroes were -

Spider-Man, Hulk, X-Men (Wolverine, Cyclopes and Storm.).

 

[Airwings]

Flash, Martian Manhunter and Aquaman are not well known.

Well, people would recognize Flash!

Five years ago nobody knew about Captain America

WRONG! He's one of Marvel Comic's top five (not counting any films)

Five years ago only well known Marvel Superheroes were - Spider-Man, Hulk, X-Men (Wolverine, Cyclopes and Storm.).

No, they weren't the only ones. You forget Fantastic Four (who had one modern film by then, and a sequel was being made)

 

[Micromind]

Some will recognize Flash when a picture is shown to them, but many people forget including Flash when they count the JL team (Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman and Green Lantern.), I am talking about people who don't live in US.

 

[Micromind]

Man, I live in Asia and many of my friends who have not read comics ever can say the names of Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman and Green Lantern as Justice League members.

As for Marvel, Captain America is Not well known, the problem with Fantastic Four is similar to the problem with Flash, that is they will recognize Fantastic Four if you show them a picture but they fail to mention them.

But, believe whatever you think is correct I cannot change your opinion, I am just stating what I know.

Edit: Now, thanks to solo movie of Captain America and Avengers, Captain America is well known but still he is Not as popular as Spider-Man, Hulk, Wolverine, Magneto and some other X-Men (like Prof Xavier, Beast, Cyclopes.)

 

[jmc]

DC have always had the bigger names in terms of general awareness to the masses, with the exception of the likes of Hulk and Spider-Man of course. Things may have changed recently to some degree but I don't even see how it's even open to debate to be honest.

 

[Airwings]

Bruce_begins: I was more of a DC guy as a kid (I was into Supes and Bats), and the only Marvel I ever read was a few Spider-Man comics. Hulk sometimes appeared in cross-overs (Marvel/DC). I wouldn't label myself a true comic reader, as I didn't know too much about stuff that real comics fans do.
I think I can claim that Marvel's most well-known characters from the comic books (not films) ARE Spider-Man, Hulk, Fantastic Four, Captain America and X-Men. That's the ones non-comic readers (have to include myself there) know about the most.
Again, I doesn't count the films, as they have changed this a bit.

 

[Airwings]

DC have always had the bigger names in terms of general awareness to the masses, with the exception of the likes of Hulk and Spider-Man of course. Things may have changed recently to some degree but I don't even see how it's even open to debate to be honest.

F4 were right behind them in how recognizable the characters were to the non-comic masses. I never read a single ones of their comics and still knew who they are.
Cap did I know from covers and pics. X-Men mostly by name.
As I live in Scandinavia where we didn't have the same amount of comic books as in USA, I think it's a fact that only the most well-known Marvel heroes made it to this part of the world. Am I right or wrong?

 

[jmc]

Speaking from down under most people seems to know the likes of Bats, Supes, Spidey, WW, Hulk, Flash etc, plus Xmen but mostly Wolverine. Iron Man, Ghost Rider, Thor, Captain America range from some awareness to completely unknown prior to 2008. Hell, the Avengers to most people was a 60's TV series and a crappy Ralph Finnes movie.

 

[Micromind]

I think that a line-up of five heroes would be sufficient for the first movie, they can always expand later in the sequels.

For a Justice League movie, WB would be introducing a new Batman, WW and Flash. As Superman (Henry Cavill) and Green Lantern (Ryan Reynolds) have already their own movies.

Since, Batman needs no introduction, that leaves only Flash and WW to be introduced in JL.

Flash has a pretty simple origins so that should not be a problem, origins of WW can be shown in 10 to 15 minutes.

 

[Panthro]

I think that a line-up of five heroes would be sufficient for the first movie, they can always expand later in the sequels.

Agreed.

For a Justice League movie, WB would be introducing a new Batman, WW and Flash. As Superman (Henry Cavill) and Green Lantern (Ryan Reynolds) have already their own movies.

Since, Batman needs no introduction, that leaves only Flash and WW to be introduced in JL.

Assuming they want to stick with Ryan Reynolds and not start over with Green Lantern's cinematic universe.

 

[Radioactive1980]

DC have always had the bigger names in terms of general awareness to the masses, with the exception of the likes of Hulk and Spider-Man of course.

So not then, seeing as it was two (Batman and Supes) vs two (Spider-Man and the Hulk). And if you want to look beyond them, talking pre Iron Man 2008, Wolverine was better known than Wonder Woman, DC's supposed third most well known character. Plus the GA had already seen two FF films, so Marvel actually had the most well known characters.

Things may have changed recently to some degree but I don't even see how it's even open to debate to be honest.

Well it is open to debate, and Marvel have pretty much always had the most well known characters. Even before the movies started in the late 90's Marvel always had the most cartoons, TV movies and live action TV shows being produced/aired.

 

[Paradox1]

So not then, seeing as it was two (Batman and Supes) vs two (Spider-Man and the Hulk). And if you want to look beyond them, talking pre Iron Man 2008, Wolverine was better known than Wonder Woman, DC's supposed third most well known character. Plus the GA had already seen two FF films, so Marvel actually had the most well known characters.



Well it is open to debate, and Marvel have pretty much always had the most well known characters. Even before the movies started in the late 90's Marvel always had the most cartoons, TV movies and live action TV shows being produced/aired.

I disagree marvel was making crap pre Blade. They had a successful spider-man and x-men cartoons but they by no means compared in influence or popularity now to BTAS or STAS let's not even forget JL or JlU, or forget to mention the direct to DVD movies like Mask of the Phantasm. Dc also has Rocksteady who just created two successful Batman games where the last one Arkahm city sold over 7million copies at 60 dollar a game you do the math. Marvel games outside spider man 2 have not come close to that level of success.

 

[solidsnake86]

Well it is open to debate, and Marvel have pretty much always had the most well known characters. Even before the movies started in the late 90's Marvel always had the most cartoons, TV movies and live action TV shows being produced/aired.

Compared to what? Batman's rogues gallery was more popular than almost all of the marvel characters thanks to the 60's tv show. Besides the hulk and spider-man, in terms of awareness, dc had the edge prior to the big movies.

Even though this conversation is pointless, even a character like the flash is used by people as a joke if you do something very quickly.

Superman's logo is up there as one of the most recognized symbols in the world.

batman 89 was a cultural phenomenon. DC's stuff came out when there wasn't much going on in the superhero business.

Saying that marvel was more popular in terms of fanbase I could see, in terms of general audience your making that up (prior to 2000 of course).

 

[jmc]

So not then, seeing as it was two (Batman and Supes) vs two (Spider-Man and the Hulk). And if you want to look beyond them, talking pre Iron Man 2008, Wolverine was better known than Wonder Woman, DC's supposed third most well known character. Plus the GA had already seen two FF films, so Marvel actually had the most well known characters.

Dude, seriously, even the most die hard of Marvel fans will admit DC has always had the biggest names in terms of awareness to the masses, Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman are just three and have been ingrained into pop culture since the 1930's. Yes Marvel have their characters who are equally big in terms of general awareness, especially now, but prior to 2008 they had basically Hulk, Spiderman, and Wolverine. DC's characters had multiple films, TV shows and animated series/film for decades.

Well it is open to debate, and Marvel have pretty much always had the most well known characters. Even before the movies started in the late 90's Marvel always had the most cartoons, TV movies and live action TV shows being produced/aired.

See above. The only characters from Marvel to genuinely ingrain themselves into pop culture were pretty much Spiderman, Hulk and Wolverine.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

Superman and Batman are the only true 'icons', imo. Even their supporting characters are incredibly well known. Lois, Lex, Gordon, Alfred, Joker, Robin, Catwoman, Supergirl.

 

[terry78]

WB is sitting on an even bigger pile of gold than they were with Harry Potter via DC, but they don't know how to dig for it.

 

[The Guard]

See above. The only characters from Marvel to genuinely ingrain themselves into pop culture were pretty much Spiderman, Hulk and Wolverine.

And even Wolverine was a relative unknown to much of the general public. The X-Men were not a well known concept to most before the film came out.

 

[Baramos]

I usually consider the Flash at least as being fairly "well-known" to the general public (insofar as being know what he looks like and that he runs really fast) mostly based on the fact that he managed to get into that '70s SNL skit where he, Superman, and the Hulk picked on Ant Man for being such a terrible character idea:

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/superhero-party/2406/

Now, do people really know anything about him. Probably not. But can they recognize him, Wonder Woman, and Aquaman? Sure. That's it, recognize them, but that's probably a bit better than most of the Marvel characters (outside Captain America, the Hulk, and Spider-Man, most are not culturally ingrained...)

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

And even Wolverine was a relative unknown to much of the general public. The X-Men were not a well known concept to most before the film came out.

Nah, Wolverine was already well known before the movies. They did boost his popularity, though.