Justice League Status Updates Thread - Part 1

[Jake Cassidy]

Now the villains:

1. Joker
2. Lex
3. ?

 

[Lily Adler]

It would most likely be a Batman villain. But I'm going with Magneto.

 

[Micromind]

Now the villains:

1. Joker
2. Lex
3. ?

3. Green Goblin.
4. Darkseid.

 

[The Apocalypse]

Dr. Doom hasn't been used in a movie since FF2 so I can see JL using him.

 

[I Am The Knight]

The Parallactus cloud from Green Lantern would be just great.

 

[Radioactive1980]

I disagree marvel was making crap pre Blade. They had a successful spider-man and x-men cartoons but they by no means compared in influence or popularity now to BTAS or STAS let's not even forget JL or JlU, or forget to mention the direct to DVD movies like Mask of the Phantasm.

BS.

DC had the excellent BTAS, and Marvel had the solid SM:TAS and long running X-Men cartoon. All of these shows were popular. BTAS is probably the most revered by fanboys, but that does not mean it got the highest ratings back in the day. As for the JL show? I've never even seen it, so that says something about how well syndicated it was. Imo Marvel's characters had the higher profile/general awareness through cartoons in the 90's.

Dc also has Rocksteady who just created two successful Batman games where the last one Arkahm city sold over 7million copies at 60 dollar a game you do the math. Marvel games outside spider man 2 have not come close to that level of success.

We're not talking about now- we're talking pre Iron Man 2008, and even so, that's still a Batman game, and I'm guessing it does not feature the JL so how would it have raised the GA's awareness of DC characters other than Batman and his enemies?

Compared to what? Batman's rogues gallery was more popular than almost all of the marvel characters thanks to the 60's tv show. Besides the hulk and spider-man, in terms of awareness, dc had the edge prior to the big movies.

Not really.
I'm talking about the the youth demographic.
Teens in the 90's- my generation, did not grow up glued to the 60's Batman show. We grew up watching the animated shows of the 90's. The three big ones that stand out to me were- SM:TAS, X-Men and BTAS. That's two Marvel shows with a huge cast, and one DC show with a huge cast. You do the maths.

Even though this conversation is pointless, even a character like the flash is used by people as a joke if you do something very quickly.

He's not really is he?, At least not here in the UK.
People would more likely use the British comicbook character- Billy the Whiz in such a joke. And this comes back round to the core of my argument- it's only really Superman and Batman from DC that are known worldwide by everyone.

Saying that marvel was more popular in terms of fanbase I could see, in terms of general audience your making that up (prior to 2000 of course).

Prior to Blade in 1998, the GA, worldwide, knew of Superman and Batman from DC, but with Marvel, thanx to cartoons etc, they were aware of Spidey, Hulk and the X-Men. Marvel had the edge imo.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Did this just turn into another Marvel vs. DC rant?

Hulk is more popular than Wonder Woman and let me tell you why... blah, blah, blah...

Popularity is in the eye of the beholder.

 

[DrCosmic]

Do you know why the superhero/comic book movie genre is still in its infancy?

Its because Hollywood as a whole still doesn't understand it which is evident of its insistency to focus on the origins of this characters.

As a result it has not been able move on and tap into the potential of the genre's various mythologies. Focus on the mythologies of these character's, not just on the characters themselves and how they got started. Can you imagine if Indiana Jones started with the IJ Chronicles? No way would we have ever gotten Raiders of the Lost Ark even if Chronicles would have been a success. Its success would have kept Indy perpetually 23-26 years of age. Same with Jack Ryan or James Bond. I would love to see a Batman or Superman movie with the main character is in there 50s to 60s but this will NEVER happen by current Hollywood standards.

Once Hollywood figures all of this out then rich and powerful stories will follow.

First Hollywood has to figure out how to get the average audience member to become emotionally invested in someone who already has phenomenal cosmic powers within ten minutes of screentime. A lot of people that dog out Origin Stories seem to think it's an intellectual thing, instead of an emotional one, one that is easily done with humans like Indiana Jones, Jack Ryan or James Bond but not so easily done with near deities. The Incredible Hulk skipped the origin, didn't work out too well. The issue I believe comes from comic books capturing imaginations, but movies don't work unless you capture hearts first. The emotional distance created by someone having the power to solve all of life's problems and living in a world much unlike our own can be hard to overcome.

I think the only film so far to do this well would be the Incredibles. Generally, it has two big advantages going for it: A) It's a cartoon, meaning a certain amount of emotional distance is expected, and B) It's Pixar, who are just great storytellers. On top of this, they did it very smoothly, starting by creating an alternate clearly stylized almost whimsical world with characters we recognize as pompous celebrities, then connecting that to a world much more like our own and putting these 'humbled supers' in our shoes. The internal mechanism that says: why should I care about this person who has the power to solve all their problems, because we've seen, first hand, within five minutes why these powers are the source of their problems. Now to be fair, this is the same studio that can create an emotional connection with mute miming robots, so it's probably not a safe bet to say this was an 'easy' feat.

The other issue is, any already-super story you tell that captures hearts is going to generally be like this. Some humbling, and powers as a problem, or else, you have something great for fans who already care about the characters, but it won't catch on with cynical adults, not because it's too complicated, or too whimsical, but because it doesn't speak to their lives like successful movies throughout time do.

Now, if time continues and technology continues to improve, it may be possible to do a superhero action-fest without destroying your budget, where the character development is irrelevant and it's really about how cool and badarse you can be blowing stuff up. Avengers comes close, but it doesn't have the budget for more than a few skirmishes and a finale, and it rises on the emotional attachment from the previous films in the series.

All in all, I wish the comments on Origin Stories took into account how our perception of them is dramatically altered by already knowing them and already caring about the character.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Dr. Doom hasn't been used in a movie since FF2 so I can see JL using him.

Are you joking or was that a typo? JL can't use Dr. Doom as a villain.

 

[TheWatcher]

And that is the power of sarcasm.

 

[Eddie Brock]

Did this just turn into another Marvel vs. DC rant?

Hulk is more popular than Wonder Woman and let me tell you why... blah, blah, blah...

Popularity is in the eye of the beholder.

Or in the eye of anyone determined enough to do some widespread polling. *looks around for a candidate*

 

[Airwings]

Nah, Wolverine was already well known before the movies. They did boost his popularity, though.

F4 were more known to non-comic readers before the X-Men trilogy.

 

[Airwings]

WB is sitting on an even bigger pile of gold than they were with Harry Potter via DC, but they don't know how to dig for it.

Rowling had a say in the making of those films. And they let her.
I think WB can't work without some artistic input when it comes to popular fictive characters.

 

[The Apocalypse]

Are you joking or was that a typo? JL can't use Dr. Doom as a villain.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Nevermind... now I feel stupid.

 

[Donnie Darko]

F4 were more known to non-comic readers before the X-Men trilogy.

To people what age? Maybe people who grew up in the 60s-70s, but people in their mid-late 20s right now, at least, grew up on the X-Men cartoon. I had a gf in college who had never touched a comic book, but she had strong opinions about X-Men characters, based on the cartoon. I also remember after seeing the Wolverine movie, I was at a bar with some friends telling them my opinion of it, and the waitress, a hot girl in her early 20s (you know, the big comic book market), was all like "oh, didn't that one have GAMBIT in it?! How was he? He was my favorite."

 

[Boosted]

white martians.

 

[66 Face]

Pres. Lex and an army of Metallo's.

or thinking outside the box...

Aquaman or Hawkman

 

[Boosted]

One thing that George Miller movie had right was using the Tower of Babel story. I think that's a killer setup for a JL movie.

 

[The Guard]

I almost see it more as a sequel concept. The league should trust Batman and be seen as heroes before he betrays them, but it does work pretty well as a concept.

 

[az824]

I think a lot of people watched JL too, because I kept hearing "isn't green lantern supposed to be black?" when the GL movie came out.

 

[Panthro]

I almost see it more as a sequel concept. The league should trust Batman and be seen as heroes before he betrays them, but it does work pretty well as a concept.

Agreed.

 

[Boosted]

i think it also works as the only human hero seeing heroes with superpowers as possible threats.

 

[Lily Adler]

A trilogy that shows Luthor's eventual decision to run for presidency and the rise of metahuman mistrust and eventual rebellion leading to a pseudo-Kingdom Come event.

 

[shauner111]

So what if the end of Man of Steel is a Lex Luthor cliffhanger. But he never enters the Man of Steel movies. What if Luthor becomes a Justice League exclusive villain?

MOS trilogy could include Brainiac and Darkseid. While Luthor is a villain to Supes, Batman, etc.