Justice League Status Updates Thread

[Micromind]

The script posted above in this thread is pretty good, I must say.

The thing that was wrong with this project is that such a script would have required an enormous budget. The choice of actors was not good either.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Ok i read even more of the script and i gotta say that despite it being Batman centric, batman is a giant *****. "I should have been a better man?"

Pff...

 

[Micromind]

It is likely that there would have been rewrite and a second/ third draft, at the time the project was going forward a new DC Entertainment was just being formed, now DCE with Diane nelson, Jim Lee and Geoff Johns there would be a process in place (I think) to get the basics of characters right before giving them green light (remember that Geoff Johns is involved with GL movie in some way ?)

 

[protocida]

Batman would never do that. Instead of crying over his mortality he would get in his cave and make contigency plans to **** everyone up. Batman doesnt cry or whine, he's the goddamn Batman and he can beat anyone through plot armor and preptime.

Oh, you're one of those guys...

 

[Micromind]

I can see GL as Johan Stewart (from the GL movie) in this version of JLA with Ryan Reynolds just making a cameo appearance, a WW from TV series (if that happens somehow.) Superman played by a different actor (I would prefer Routh), A new Batman, and some new actors as JLA members.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Oh, you're one of those guys...

What is that supposed to mean? I might have been exaggerating a bit but Batman would never be such a wuss. Taking off his cowl and revealing his identity to ask for their sympathy because he's a mortal?
"Screw you guys and your powers, i'm batman. My will can move mountains."

It's what Batman has always been about and no incarnation of his, from gritty detective to batgod has he ever been a wuss.

I can see GL as Johan Stewart (from the GL movie) in this version of JLA with Ryan Reynolds just making a cameo appearance, a WW from TV series (if that happens somehow.) Superman played by a different actor (I would prefer Routh), A new Batman, and some new actors as JLA members.

So they just rebooted Superman with a new actor and you want them to bring back the actor from the old SM franchise? That will never happen.

 

[Timstuff]

Whining because he doesn't have powers has never been part of Batman's character. The fact that he's tough enough to keep up with superhumans and never complains about his mortality. That is precisely why he's so respected by the other League members. His only "power" is his iron-clad will, and the scene described in JLM sounds like the exact opposite of that.

 

[Micromind]

What is that supposed to mean? I might have been exaggerating a bit but Batman would never be such a wuss. Taking off his cowl and revealing his identity to ask for their sympathy because he's a mortal?

Even inthe JLU cartoon Batman admits that he cannot be a full time member of the Justice League as he has to focus on Gotham City first and that he is just a man.(without super powers.)

So they just rebooted Superman with a new actor and you want them to bring back the actor from the old SM franchise? That will never happen.

I am open minded about casting a new Supes in JLA movie but he has to look taller than most of other members (or at least equal in height) Joe Manganellio, Routh and others who fit the criterion.

Routh is my first choice, so what if he was in SR ? This is JLA, Chris evens was Human torch in Fantastic Four but now he is cap. America, Ryan Reynolds played Hannibal King in Blade 3, and Deadpool in X- Men Origins : Wolverine but he is also Green Lantern, Hally Berry played Catwoman and Storm.

Routh still looks the part.

 

[Ben Breeck]

Besides, Bruce isn't the only Justice Leaguer out there without any powers. We have Green Arrow, The Question, Huntress, Nightwing, both Mr. Miracles (The first may have been a space alien, but slippery hands isn't a superpower), all three Mr. Terrifics, Doctor Mid-Nite II (He served in the League during the Morrison run before the most recent reincarnation of the Society)...

 

[MadVillainy]

Even inthe JLU cartoon Batman admits that he cannot be a full time member of the Justice League as he has to focus on Gotham City first and that he is just a man.(without super powers.)
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I dont remember the bolded part.

But there is an episode where Manhunter tries to talk to him about being the only one without powers and how he always has to prove himself (It was the Injustice for All episode I think) and Bats shrugged it off

Batman being a nonpowered human should be brought up by other heroes not him I think

 

[Micromind]

Whining because he doesn't have powers has never been part of Batman's character.

Agreed, but he also acts a brain behind the scenes and not as a heavy hitter like other super powered beings, he acknowledges his limitations there.

 

[Timstuff]

Routh is my first choice, so what if he was in SR ? This is JLA, Chris evens was Human torch in Fantastic Four but now he is cap. America, Ryan Reynolds played Hannibal King in Blade 3, and Deadpool in X- Men Origins : Wolverine but he is also Green Lantern, Hally Berry played Catwoman and Storm.

Very different situation. There has never been a reboot where the lead actor from the previous incarnation of the franchise was carried over. This is even more far-fetched than Routh being cast in MOS, and we all know how that turned out. Casting Routh would imply continuity with Superman Returns, and as we all know the Returns continuity has been dropped from the modern DC movie "canon." If Warner Bros. is going to cast an actor who has already played Superman in the role, they are going to use the current one. Otherwise, it's pointless will serve only to further confuse audiences and dragging SR's baggage back into the spotlight after MOS goes to great lengths to ditch it.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Even inthe JLU cartoon Batman admits that he cannot be a full time member of the Justice League as he has to focus on Gotham City first and that he is just a man.(without super powers.)

He doesnt want to be a full time member because his priority is Gotham and the shadows. Not fighting aliens in space. But even if it was the way you say it, it doesnt make it right. JLU wasnt infallible.

Very different situation. There has never been a reboot where the lead actor from the previous incarnation of the franchise was carried over. This is even more far-fetched than Routh being cast in MOS, and we all know how that turned out. Casting Routh would imply continuity with Superman Returns, and as we all know the Returns continuity has been dropped from the modern DC movie "canon." If Warner Bros. is going to cast an actor who has already played Superman in the role, they are going to use the current one. Otherwise, it's pointless will serve only to further confuse audiences and dragging SR's baggage back into the spotlight after MOS goes to great lengths to ditch it.

This.

 

[BigThor]

Agreed, but he also acts a brain behind the scenes and not as a heavy hitter like other super powered beings, he acknowledges his limitations there.

True, true

 

[Timstuff]

In a JL movie, I would have Batman act more as a leader / tactician in a lot of scenes, barking orders over a radio while the other League members do the heavy hitting. Also, as far as stealth and infiltration is concerned, he is the League's foremost expert. During the climax he'd probably get more action. I can imagine him jumping into the bat wing and flying alongside the other characters at some point. The key is that they should try to avoid deliberately sticking Batman in situations where he's hopelessly out of his league (no pun intended). Since he's got no powers, he knows better than to jump into the middle of a fight where everyone has super-strength and bullet-proof skin except for him.

 

[Mr. Earle]

In a JL movie, I would have Batman act more as a leader / tactician in a lot of scenes, barking orders over a radio while the other League members do the heavy hitting.

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Also, as far as stealth and infiltration is concerned, he is the League's foremost expert.

Agreed.

During the climax he'd probably get more action. I can imagine him jumping into the bat wing and flying alongside the other characters at some point. The key is that they should try to avoid deliberately sticking Batman in situations where he's hopelessly out of his league (no pun intended). Since he's got no powers, he knows better than to jump into the middle of a fight where everyone has super-strength and bullet-proof skin except for him.

Its all about writing the story and action scenes in a way that allows all characters to shine. If you look at it realistically the Flash can rid Metropolis of crime before Superman even blinks, but they are both in the JL and they fight alongside other heroes a lot less powerful than them.

Example: Morrison's first JLA story had Martians as the villains who initially beat the league. Batman figures out that they re Martians and beats them with a box of matches and some gasoline. In the end each JL member beats one but Batman got 5!!!

Another example is Final Crisis where Batman had a showdown with a weakened Darkseid and had a deus ex machina magic god-killing bullet to wound him. The two Flashes and Superman finished him off.

Example of a situation where Batman wins through cunning:
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[Timstuff]

You make good points. Batman is capable of handling himself in a lot of situations, but it's a case-by-case basis. Inevitably, there will be some fights that Batman sits out, but other ones where he has to fight alongside the other guys. And really, it would just plain be disappointing to have Batman in a JL movie but never see him physically fight alongside the other members.

 

[protocida]

Morrison's preptime Bat-God isn't really a good example.

 

[Mr. Earle]

You make good points.

Thanks! t:

Batman is capable of handling himself in a lot of situations, but it's a case-by-case basis. Inevitably, there will be some fights that Batman sits out, but other ones where he has to fight alongside the other guys. And really, it would just plain be disappointing to have Batman in a JL movie but never see him physically fight alongside the other members.

Agreed.

Morrison's preptime Bat-God isn't really a good example.

Why not? Besides, he didnt have any ridiculous gadgets that allowed him to win like in Tower of Babel where he took down the league (well Ras did using his plans) with crazy stupid science. On the first occasion he took down Martians using their weakness to fire and on the second he used the bullet that Darkseid used to kill Orion. He happened to have it because he was in charge of the investigation for Orion's murder. Convenient plot yes, but nothing too ridiculous.

 

[Mr. Earle]

So have you guys seen this?
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I'm not posting it for any particular reason other than the fact that it's awesome. I dont know why Batman had to stay behind and hold them back, but damn when he takes off his cape i had a massive nerdgasm.

And no, i dont think Batman should have a suit like that because it would beg the question why doesnt he wear a suit that awesome on a daily basis? Even in a JL mission Batman shouldnt be overcompensating with exra armor or whatever.

 

[Changeling]

Wow that script was incredible. I love everything about it except for Batman killing Lord.

and the superspeed sex stuff was kinda weird..

 

[Mr. Earle]

Oh yeah i forgot about that. Batman killed Lord. Not Wonder Woman because she took an oath on the graves of her dead parents that she would not kill. Batman.

Its like dividing by zero.

 

[protocida]

It's a weird choice, but Batman has killed before. Including in the White Martian invasion that you've mentioned.

 

[protocida]

It's a weird choice, but Batman has killed before. Including in the White Martian invasion that you've mentioned.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I dont think he ever killed in any story that's in the current canon. I dont remember him killing in that JLA story. He just captured them. Didnt he?

Btw, what's going on in your avatar? Is that a torpedo?