Kevin Feige says no to another Hulk Movie.

[Mr.M]

People tend to overthink the villain thing. The reason people came to see the Avengers, and will continue to do so, is to see the heroes, not the villains. Nobody went to see the Avengers to see the Chitauri, or even Loki; they went to see their heroes. Same is largely true of the solo films....nobody gave a crap that Ironmonger and Whiplash + Hammer were ****ty villains; they *still* went to see Iron Man do his thing.

Yeah, but we have seen them in a team up, and will so again... and again... and again.

So what is the draw after we have gotten a couple of movies like this? I think the franchise will bank regardless as long as it retains this cast and director, but not without limiting returns here on out. Iron Man 3 is featuring his main villain, meaning I wouldn't bank on an IM4 anytime soon. That's telling me they are at the pinnacle with that character right now and probably aren't going to risk waiting around and dragging things out with secondary villains. We still have some good IM villains that will be unexplored for some time if that's the case.

I think the pinnacle for an Avengers movie are still Hulk and Iron Man in major featured roles. Those are the characters I think the audience would love to come back for at least for one more film before it starts getting redundant. Meaning you will make a billion dollars plus even if you put a Transformers quality sequel out there. After that, you are going to need top notch story telling and direction, because the team up thing will wear out its welcome and secondary heroes will be more heavily featured in place of the original roster.

 

[Mr. Dent]

All the more reason to believe he's full of it.

We were talking about more Hulk stuff some months back. This wasn't that big of a scoop.

We're not talking about how big the scoop was, which you keep going back to for some reason, we're talking about the validity of it. Anyone who doesn't know we've been talking about this for months just hasn't been paying attention to what fans are talking about.

As for the actual validity of it, the only thing you guys keep pointing to is Black Panther while ignoring the fact he got Thanos and GotG right. That's 2-1 and he probably wasn't even that far off from being right with BP. We know a script was in the works a while back.

 

[kaijunexus]

Because it's the Hulk. You don't just give up on a character like that, expecially when you have an aging Iron Man and lukewarm performances from the other Big 2 debut films.

TIH grossed the lowest of any of the Phase 1 films. The Hulk (excluding Banner, because as you say below, Hulk is the draw and not Banner) got roughly 10 minutes of actual screen time...the least of any of the Avengers characters. Granted, the Hulk got huge acclaim after the film came out...but don't tell me that Marvel suddenly has enough faith in the character to dedicate TWO new films to him.

An intelligent Hulk with dialogue as opposed to Hulk Smash? Sounds dandy to me. Plus Ruffalo not being featured means you may not have to break the bank to sign him for multiple featured films if he is just doing the facial motion cap. Hell, bring in Serkis and give Ruffalo a break if he wants to take other roles in the meantime. Not that I feel his commitment will even be an issue. But Hulk is the draw, not Banner.

Um...no. This is ridiculous. Ruffalo recently tweeted that Joss has sent him some really awesome ideas for what he plans to do with the Hulk and Banner as characters in the future...

Why would Joss tell him that if he planned on using him for a few minutes at most in a Planet Hulk movie.

Because you need some dissension to keep things interesting. We had that in Avengers, but it can't be all fun and games going forward. Hulk provides a credible threat and has a legitimate motive should they adapt this. At the expense of showcasing another featured villain? I don't know. But Kang and MoE aren't really going to draw the masses in. I am skeptical about even Thanos since most don't know who he is, hence the buildup so early.

I don't think Marvel is concerned about drawing in the masses with "known villains". Iron Monger, Whiplash, Abomination, Loki, Red Skull, Thanos? Marvel wants to use new villains and new characters. They don't want to stick with what's safe.

 

[Dark Raven]

So rather than legitimately argue your point you reply with one word? You're exposing yourself.

I've already argued my point before even my previous post in several posts scattered throughout the day in different threads. You simply said my analogy is a horrible one. You haven't exactly argued why you think so. I don't really care why though.

My one word answer is in reply to you telling me to stop. I won't. I'll voice my own opinions if I damn well please.

 

[TheVileOne]

We're not talking about how big the scoop was, which you keep going back to for some reason, we're talking about the validity of it. Anyone who doesn't know we've been talking about this for months just hasn't been paying attention to what fans are talking about.

As for the actual validity of it, the only thing you guys keep pointing to is Black Panther while ignoring the fact he got Thanos and GotG right. That's 2-1 and he probably wasn't even that far off from being right with BP. We know a script was in the works a while back.

I don't give him credit for Thanos and Guardians. Sorry.

 

[jaqua99]

We're not talking about how big the scoop was, which you keep going back to for some reason, we're talking about the validity of it. Anyone who doesn't know we've been talking about this for months just hasn't been paying attention to what fans are talking about.

As for the actual validity of it, the only thing you guys keep pointing to is Black Panther while ignoring the fact he got Thanos and GotG right. That's 2-1 and he probably wasn't even that far off from being right with BP. We know a script was in the works a while back.

I went to latin-review, and looked at EVERY SINGLE one of his articles. I did not see anything regarding saying thanos was in the post credit scene. can you show me a link?

 

[jaqua99]

I don't give him credit for Thanos and Guardians. Sorry.

nor do I. I took some time and went to latin review and looked at every single article the guy has wrotten since like..2010 or whenever he wrote his first article. Nothing.
The times where he's been right, regarding the MCU, he wrote an article on something already confirmed, citing sources from other news related websites. He just announces it big on latin-review. However, regarding news he get's from an unknown source on something not confirmed/announced, he's hardly made any.

 

[Mr.M]

TIH grossed the lowest of any of the Phase 1 films. The Hulk (excluding Banner, because as you say below, Hulk is the draw and not Banner) got roughly 10 minutes of actual screen time...the least of any of the Avengers characters. Granted, the Hulk got huge acclaim after the film came out...but don't tell me that Marvel suddenly has enough faith in the character to dedicate TWO new films to him.

Hulk will probably be a featured hero in Avengers 2 should they go this route, because they have to deem any exhile from Earth significant. He was probably more popular than Thor and Cap combined in the first one. So IF that's the case, they are basically setting up Planet Hulk and two featured Hulk movies. If they use Hulk as another plot device again, then you got me. It would be a waste however to even bring Hulk back if that's the case. Or just jettison him off to space in some random after credit scene to set up a film in an alien world in a galaxy far, far away.

Um...no. This is ridiculous. Ruffalo recently tweeted that Joss has sent him some really awesome ideas for what he plans to do with the Hulk and Banner as characters in the future...

Why would Joss tell him that if he planned on using him for a few minutes at most in a Planet Hulk movie.

All the more reason to feature Hulk in Avengers 2, which Whedon is directing. So is Whedon directing Planet Hulk? Probably not. Is Ruffalo interested in Planet Hulk or does he want to take the character in a different direction? He probably has little say either way, but I am sure a decent script and a check will get him excited about it. I think it makes sense to have Ruffalo doing mostly the fun stuff, the motion cap, the Hulk dialogue (if they don't trust Ferigno for extended lines), and the action. It's an even bigger challenge trying to humanize the Hulk from an acting standpoint, so I don't think it comes across as unintelligent film making. Besides, why do we need a predominantly Banner movie again?

I don't think Marvel is concerned about drawing in the masses with "known villains". Iron Monger, Whiplash, Abomination, Loki, Red Skull, Thanos? Marvel wants to use new villains and new characters. They don't want to stick with what's safe.

The villains suck on paper. It's what you make of them. I don't think you can play if safe by going with one or the other because they don't have a following. Loki had a nice setup. Mandarin. Thanos. All the main villains need to be previously featured or hinted at to give them credibility later on.

 

[Kirmit]

Even though they say planet Hulk is the basis they'll likely change a lot, like how much Banner there'll be, I imagine them giving him a bigger role.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

Avengers 3

Spoiler

Act I: getting reacquainted with characters/Thanos (30 minutes)
Act II: WWH (1 hour 15 minutes)
Act III: Avengers/Hulk vs Thanos (1 hour 15 minutes)

mid-credits: Celestials! (with potential GotG/Strange/? tie in)

 

[jaqua99]

Avengers 3

Spoiler

Act I: getting reacquainted with characters/Thanos (30 minutes)
Act II: WWH (1 hour 15 minutes)
Act III: Avengers/Hulk vs Thanos (1 hour 15 minutes)

mid-credits: Celestials! (with potential GotG/Strange/? tie in)

then who is avengers 2 villain?

 

[KangConquers]

Because it's the Hulk. You don't just give up on a character like that, expecially when you have an aging Iron Man and lukewarm performances from the other Big 2 debut films.

Wait, so because Captain America and Thor were just "profitable" instead of "Highly profitable" like Iron Man, we're going to put the fate of the Marvel universe in the hands of a character that twice failed to make a profit?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

im fine with planet hulk happening eventually... but WWH is beyond stupid. i'd take civil war over that....

 

[Hawkingbird]

I really do think they could make Planet Hulk work. Heck, at this rate it looks like Marvel Studios can make anything work. I'd just rather see other stories. I never regard Hulk as a "proper" Avenger. I think there are far better stories out there.

 

[Doc Ock]

Isn't it too early for Hulk to be in the likes of Planet Hulk or WWH? Especially after Hulk being a hero?

I guess I could see the Hulk being put into space by Thanos in The Avengers 2 or something...

 

[TheVileOne]

Then why would the Hulk be pissed at the heroes over that? Makes no sense.

In World War Hulk he was pissed cause he got put into space and then he believed the Illuminati were the ones that destroyed Skaar when it in fact wasn't. Miek convinces Hulk it was the Illuminati.

 

[Doc Ock]

Then why would the Hulk be pissed at the heroes over that? Makes no sense.

In World War Hulk he was pissed cause he got put into space and then he believed the Illuminati were the ones that destroyed Skaar when it in fact wasn't. Miek convinces Hulk it was the Illuminati.

Psh!! WWH....I was just talking about Planet Hulk. I don't mind the WWH storyline I just dont think its a good idea for the MCU.

 

[Tony Stark]

considering the direction they've gone with Avengers, WWH makes no sense. From the thrown out Zach Penn script, I maye could have seen it, where Hawkeye's sole purpose was to take the Hulk out with tranquilizer arrows or something stupid like that, and no one trusts him, and Tony dawns the Hulkbuster armor.

Whedon's version is that Banner is trusted by everyone. Cap is cautious not to let the Hulk out, but he seems to like and even trust Banner. Tony is 100% on Banner's side. Even Thor is relucant to fight, "we are not your enemies Banner, try to think."

So how do they go from there, to an all out assault on the Hulk? Sure there are tensions with the Avengers. Sure there's the hint that not all are pleased with what the Avengers did, and Tony will take the brink of that in Iron Man 3, but I just don't see how they go from there to all out war with the guy.

 

[BobJM]

I actually really like the idea of Thanos somehow being responsible for jettisoning Hulk off somewhere in A2. Planet Hulk would be Phase III and end with him still lost, trying to get home. And then, in A3, Hulk returns or the Avengers go find him. But it shouldn't be WWH. Have Hulk's return be triumphant and awesome. Not as a villain.

 

[Dark Raven]

I actually really like the idea of Thanos somehow being responsible for jettisoning Hulk off somewhere in A2. Planet Hulk would be Phase III and end with him still lost, trying to get home. And then, in A3, Hulk returns or the Avengers go find him. But it shouldn't be WWH. Have Hulk's return be triumphant and awesome. Not as a villain.

I agree. No WWH. I don't mind PH as much if Hulk is trapped by Thanos, or if he ends up going through a portal like Iron Man did in The Avengers. I don't want any Illuminati or the heroes exiling him. It simply doesn't fit in with the MCU.

But I want Hulk to return at the end of the PH movie. No leaving it on a cliffhanger. I think audiences will want to see that he returns safely anyway and as a hero.

 

[BobJM]

Yeah but then you rob the audience of a potentially awesome return in A3.

Imagine the Avengers are getting pummeled by whoever and Hulk smashes onto screen just in the nick of time to save them.

t:

And im not even a big Hulk fan, but that'd be glorious

 

[wobbly]

Yeah but then you rob the audience of a potentially awesome return in A3.

Imagine the Avengers are getting pummeled by whoever and Hulk smashes onto screen just in the nick of time to save them.

t:

And im not even a big Hulk fan, but that'd be glorious

If they are to do it this would be the best way: His exile is either a willing sacrifice at the end of Avengers 2, or forced on him by Thanos in some way (still making his plans behind the scenes rather than his big move). The last film before Avengers 3 is Planet Hulk which would likely be written to involve Banner far more (I can think of ways they could do that).

PH ends on the cliffhanger of Sakaar being devastated (perhaps by Thanos) with the hulk assumed dead by the perpetrator (end credits scene revealing he survived), then in Avengers 3 we get Thanos making his move on Earth and when the chips are down the Hulk returns with his army from Sakaar.

I'd still be a WWH in a way, just without the Hulk and his Warbound alien pals being the baddies this time.

All that being said I'm taking all of this scoop with a large pinch of salt atm.

 

[Roose Bolton]

^ probably the most sanest course of action.

 

[Spider-Vader]

Either way though, it would be amazing to see that and then WWH. Only thing is, how would they stop Hulk at the end of WWH, The Sentry was the only one who could fight him to stand still in the comics, who in the MCU would be able to do that?

Ghost Rider was going to stop Hulk, but decided not to since Hulk did nothing wrong. I assume Marvel's getting the Ghost Rider backs soon, so they could always rewrite that part. It'd be a cool way to introduce Ghost Rider into the MCU too.

But besides that, I'm sort of opposed to a WWH movie. It'd be cool to see, though I like the idea of Planet Hulk happening because of Thanos much more. Plus, WWH wouldn't be as epic with Hulk only fighting the Avengers & some street heroes.

 

[flickchick85]

Latino Review's report is essentially WE'LL SEE as well unless you truly believe El Miyambe and everything he says and think its all 100% true.

LR isn't saying "we'll see." They are saying, "this IS what's going to happen in Phase III." So then, IF they turn out to be right, that would make what they just reported an actual scoop, VS. the MTV story which is basically a random interview in which nothing is actually said and at most, something vague is hinted at by Kevin Feige for some unknown point in the future.