BvS Lex Luthor Casting Thread - Part 3

[Derrick9592]

Out of all the big stars, the one I can see pulling it off are Leo DiCaprio, Tom Hanks, and even Brad Pitt for that matter. I just feel it happening either way. I wouldn't Callan Mulvey being cast as Lex, but he seems more suited for Metallo.

 

[Tra-El]

Doomsday's only purpose is to kill Superman.

If he doesn't do that, he's literally nothing other than a dumber Solomon Grundy.

Just a big brutish hulk.

Metallo with Lex pulling his strings is infinitely better for the second movie in this franchise.

The concept of Doomsday will be there. Of course his only method to madness is to kill Superman. Every villain exists for that reason anyhow. I understand what you are saying, but other creative variables could come into play into having a broader point of his existence and how he came to be. It's Doomsday, other than Lex, one of Superman's most recognized villains. For Wondy to be involved, it HAS to be a Doomsday-like event. Wonder Women is a Amazonian God Princess afterall. Something big is going to go down.

 

[RAE072]

The concept of Doomsday will be there. Of course his only method to madness is to kill Superman. Every villain exists for that reason anyhow. I understand what you are saying, but other creative variables could come into play into having a broader point of his existence and how he came to be. It's Doomsday, other than Lex, one of Superman's most recognized villains. For Wondy to be involved, it HAS to be a Doomsday-like event. Wonder Women is a Amazonian God Princess afterall. Something big is going to go down.

If he doesn't kill Superman, which is literally the only point of him, then he is pointless.

There was no reason to use him when you could have used other, better villains.

 

[Tra-El]

If he doesn't kill Superman, which is literally the only point of him, then he is pointless.

There was no reason to use him when you could have used other, better villains.

I think you're entirely missing my point in the debate that the sole creation of 1992 Doomsday to kill Superman doesn't need to be applied for the cinematic version of Doomsday.

The concept of who Doomsday is obvious, but it doesn't need to play out verbatim in what the comic books created. Very rarely does Hollywood follow the script of the comic-book world other than the source material and respects to the characters core values, line by line. If they do use Doomsday, I'm sure the plan would involve other variables around him than him just rampaging and killing Superman.

Wonder Woman is in this. Superman had no help in the comics to defeat Doomsday other than C-list characters like the Guardian. Maybe Wondy is the help Supes needs so he doesn't die. Who knows. It's all just static right now.

 

[RAE072]

I think you're entirely missing my point in the debate that the sole creation of 1992 Doomsday to kill Superman doesn't need to be applied for the cinematic version of Doomsday.

The concept of who Doomsday is obvious, but it doesn't need to play out verbatim in what the comic books created. Very rarely does Hollywood follow the script of the comic-book world other than the source material and respects to the characters core values, line by line. If they do use Doomsday, I'm sure the plan would involve other variables around him than him just rampaging and killing Superman.

Wonder Woman is in this. Superman had no help in the comics to defeat Doomsday other than C-list characters like the Guardian. Maybe Wondy is the help Supes needs so he doesn't die. Who knows. It's all just static right now.

You're not understanding that literally the only point to Doomsday is killing Superman. If he's not fulfilling the purpose he was created for, there's no reason to use him.

If he's not killing Superman, you can use any other, better villain in his place and nothing would be different. Except you'd be using a better villain.

 

[Tra-El]

You're not understanding that literally the only point to Doomsday is killing Superman. If he's not fulfilling the purpose he was created for, there's no reason to use him.

If he's not killing Superman, you can use any other, better villain in his place and nothing would be different. Except you'd be using a better villain.

It's simple, really. I understand why Doomsday was created. It's not that hard to understand. My debate is thinking outside of the box for the big screen. I wouldn't argue with you if we were talling comic-book talk. I get that.

All I'm saying (for the millionth time) is that Doomsday, in this cinematic universe in what Zack Snyder has created, may not be the exact Doomsday that was created in 1992 in the Death of Superman arc. We all know he's a killing machine out to sabotage and maim everything in his path, and rightfully so, but using him with other variables around him like for Wonder Woman to get her hands dirty when Supes is down for the count or hell, even being a servant to Darkseid could be the way to go.

Besides, Doomsday appears many times in the comics and he doesn't kill Superman EVERYTIME. He may not even be the main villain, but he sure could act as the threat that brings Wonder Woman out to play.

 

[RAE072]

Besides, Doomsday appears many times in the comics and he doesn't kill Superman EVERYTIME. He may not even be the main villain, but he sure could act as the threat that brings Wonder Woman out to play.

And my point, for the millionth time apparently, is that Doomsday is a one-trick pony. He's only remembered for killing Superman and absolutely nothing else. No one cares about his other appearances because he's not at all interesting OUTSIDE OF KILLING SUPERMAN.

Again, if he doesn't kill Superman, you can use any other better villain in his place and nothing would be lost.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

I'd like to see Callan Mulvey as Lex and I had the idea if you introduce Doomsday in this movie and have the battle last over 3 movies or so and end in a Justice League movie. And then in a Justice League movie bring in the OMACS or Darkseid or someone like that

 

[Rorschach2012]

If he doesn't kill Superman, which is literally the only point of him, then he is pointless.

There was no reason to use him when you could have used other, better villains.

You're not understanding that literally the only point to Doomsday is killing Superman. If he's not fulfilling the purpose he was created for, there's no reason to use him.

If he's not killing Superman, you can use any other, better villain in his place and nothing would be different. Except you'd be using a better villain.

And my point, for the millionth time apparently, is that Doomsday is a one-trick pony. He's only remembered for killing Superman and absolutely nothing else. No one cares about his other appearances because he's not at all interesting OUTSIDE OF KILLING SUPERMAN.

Again, if he doesn't kill Superman, you can use any other better villain in his place and nothing would be lost.

agreed with everything you're saying. if doomsday is used, i'll expect the death and rebirth of Superman. That's the only point to Doomsday's character, to give Clark that arc

 

[Loki882]

And my point, for the millionth time apparently, is that Doomsday is a one-trick pony. He's only remembered for killing Superman and absolutely nothing else. No one cares about his other appearances because he's not at all interesting OUTSIDE OF KILLING SUPERMAN.

Again, if he doesn't kill Superman, you can use any other better villain in his place and nothing would be lost.

Your point means NOTHING because this is the FILM universe not the comics. They can change Doomsday all they want and do something completely different with him if they want to, simple as that.

 

[RAE072]

Your point means NOTHING because this is the FILM universe not the comics. They can change Doomsday all they want and do something completely different with him if they want to, simple as that.

Then it's not Doomsday.

If you're going to use a character just to change all kinds of stuff because you have to, then what's the point of using it? Use a different, more interesting villain.

 

[RAE072]

And besides it being far too early to use Doomsday, he's not even Superman's greatest foe.

That honor goes to Lex Luthor.

Also, if we're talking about a villain that can go toe to toe with Superman but who is ALSO interesting? It sure as hell isn't Doomsday. It's Darkseid.

 

[Tra-El]

Then it's not Doomsday.

If you're going to use a character just to change all kinds of stuff because you have to, then what's the point of using it? Use a different, more interesting villain.

Doomsday doesn't necc have to be the main villain whatsoever and if he's included, he more than likely won't be. There's plenty you can do with others around Doomsday that doesn't have to mimmick the Death of Superman arc. Maybe his intentions could be that, but it doesn't have to play out that way. It's called twists, turns and creativity that the audience can't predict.

 

[DaJanksta]

And besides it being far too early to use Doomsday, he's not even Superman's greatest foe.

That honor goes to Lex Luthor.

Also, if we're talking about a villain that can go toe to toe with Superman but who is ALSO interesting? It sure as hell isn't Doomsday. It's Darkseid.

This. I'd prefer a Braniac or Darkseid over Doomsday.

 

[RAE072]

Doomsday doesn't necc have to be the main villain whatsoever and if he's included, he more than likely won't be. There's plenty you can do with others around Doomsday that doesn't have to mimmick the Death of Superman arc. Maybe his intentions could be that, but it doesn't have to play out that way. It's called twists, turns and creativity that the audience can't predict.

Then use Grundy.

If Superman isn't going to die, you might as well use any other big hulking dumb monster.

 

[RAE072]

This. I'd prefer a Braniac or Darkseid over Doomsday.

I say Lex Luthor pulling Metallo's strings in this movie, Brainiac(with giant robots) in the second solo Superman movie, and Darkseid in the Justice League movie.

That's the way to do it. Build the threat. You don't throw out your big guns just to water them down so it's feasible to use them so soon.

That's how you blow your load too early and the stakes just have nowhere to go.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

obviously nobody read my post. What if they INTRODUCE Doomsday in this movie and have him carry over three films or so and have an epic showdown in the Justice League movie???

 

[RAE072]

obviously nobody read my post. What if they INTRODUCE Doomsday in this movie and have him carry over three films or so and have an epic showdown in the Justice League movie???

One big dumb monster villain for 3 movies and then the Justice League movie? What?

 

[Tra-El]

Then use Grundy.

If Superman isn't going to die, you might as well use any other big hulking dumb monster.

Why? It all comes down to what people want to see. People don't want to see Solomon Grundy. They want to see Doomsday for the sake of....seeing Doomsday from the sheer appearance of him alone. That will sell tickets in itself. Superman doesn't HAVE to die for Doomsday to be used. He could beat Supes to a pulp and be seconds away from killing him, but that's where a Wonder Woman comes in. If you're going to use a big, hulking dumb monster and pass on Doomsday just because Superman may not die then that hurts the overall film because most people want to see Doomsday, not a cheap knockoff of him regardless if he kills Supes or not.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I think we'll see the Lexosuit.

 

[RAE072]

Why? It all comes down to what people want to see. People don't want to see Solomon Grundy. They want to see Doomsday for the sake of....seeing Doomsday from the sheer appearance of him alone. That will sell tickets in itself. Superman doesn't HAVE to die for Doomsday to be used. He could beat Supes to a pulp and be seconds away from killing him, but that's where a Wonder Woman comes in. If you're going to use a big, hulking dumb monster and pass on Doomsday just because Superman may not die then that hurts the overall film because most people want to see Doomsday, not a cheap knockoff of him regardless if he kills Supes or not.

Who is most people?

A handful of comic book fans on a comic book message board?

Are you suggesting that the majority of people out there in the general public not only know who Doomsday is, but also want him in a movie?

I hope you're not suggesting that.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

One big dumb monster villain for 3 movies and then the Justice League movie? What?

You could introduce him in this movie, kick off the battle in a second one and end it in Justice League kind like I think it was Mark Millar wanted to do a Superman trilogy

 

[Tra-El]

obviously nobody read my post. What if they INTRODUCE Doomsday in this movie and have him carry over three films or so and have an epic showdown in the Justice League movie???

I can dig that. The making of Doomsday could be seen throughout the movie but never truly talked upon, but we definitely the audience is led to believe a monster of this magnitude mysteriously exists and at the end we get a warning that "Doomsday is coming.." End credits. Hell yea.

 

[RAE072]

You could introduce him in this movie, kick off the battle in a second one and end it in Justice League kind like I think it was Mark Millar wanted to do a Superman trilogy

That's still one villain(who doesn't talk or emote outside of rage) over the course of 3 movies.

As well as one if not two of those movies being one big, long fight scene.

That would never, ever happen.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

I can dig that. The making of Doomsday could be seen throughout the movie but never truly talked upon, but we definitely the audience is led to believe a monster of this magnitude mysteriously exists and at the end we get a warning that "Doomsday is coming.." End credits. Hell yea.

See you're on the same wavelength as me. I'm talking like a HUGE fight, nothing that could be done in 2:30 movie. If he fights Doomsday it should be a epic drawn out story akin to LOTR