The Dark Knight Rises Life after Nolan: What comes next... - Part 1 Unless it's actually Part 2...o - Part 2

Superman Returns had a sequel announced. It at least made 400 Million worldwide but was soon denied that sequel. The reboot wouldn't have even happened if not for the lawsuit. Horn testified that Superman was dead in the water after SR wasn't profitable enough.

And then we have Green Lantern, a 400 Million investment (including advertising) which only made 150 Million WW. It's one of the biggest flops ever.

The studio is covering their asses for now until the Blu-Ray/DVD sales, but you can bet cold hard cash that there definitely will not be a Green Lantern sequel. Not after a bomb of that magnitude.


I'll even go as far to say, the GL failure could affect Flash's chances of ever materializing if the studio loses faith that in the non-Batman/Superman properties. That's how Warner Bros works.





Fox News is misinformed as usual. The only slated film for that year is "Man of Steel." There's no working Wonder Woman script they want to persue at DC/WB.

The studio doesn't have faith in the project. That is why it never came together. They aren't confident in a female-lead Superhero film, as the Warner Bros president once indicated.


Wonder Woman was so dead in the water it was sold back to WB/DCE by Silver Pictures recently. Now the property is at a standstill. The failure of the TV Pilot won't help matters either.

Bottom Line = things look very grim for WB/DC properties that aren't Batman and Superman.



While you make valid points about each project, WB and DC wouldn't be pushing for a Justice League film if they didn't intend to introduce the main five members of the League (Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, The Green Lantern and The Flash).

WB is mostly to blame for the failure. They've only been focusing on Batman and Superman simply because the franchises rake in alot of dough without much effort. However, WB is trying to move forward. For instance, Watchmen was a great addition, and an outstanding piece of cinematic work -- unfortunately the film is severely underrated.

I disagree. Wonder Woman, The Flash and Green Lantern have a substantial amount of potential but horrible casting and writing has stalled two of these three projects. Yet these issues that can be fixed by the end of the year.

I wish Nolan & his crew could take over the entire department but Nolan has stated that he's done directing superhero flicks after TDKR.
 
How risky can making The Flash be? It'll probably take less fx/CGI than Spiderman if they speed up film and draw on that reddish blur like they did with the 1990 tv series, and with Smallville too might I add, which works pretty well imho. Not to mention, The Flash is already pretty well known, which means WB won't be needing to waste too much time/money on marketing virals to introduce him. Marvel's been making movies with less known comic characters, and not doing a bad job at them either.

Plus if they use Wally West, he'll be entertaining even when he's not moving :awesome:.


I remember one of the executives from WB saying (I'm paraphrasing) "We don't know what to do with The Flash yet. Other than running really fast, what else can do to keep the audience interested for two hours?"

Agreed. WB needs to get on the ball. They can't do a JL film without the general audience being introduced to the characters.
 
I remember one of the executives from WB saying (I'm paraphrasing) "We don't know what to do with The Flash yet. Other than running really fast, what else can do to keep the audience interested for two hours?"

Agreed. WB needs to get on the ball. They can't do a JL film without the general audience being introduced to the characters.

Oh WB. He's been going goddamn strong since 1940.

"We don't know what to do with Green Lantern. Other than making green things with his ring, what else can he do to keep the audience interested?"

"We don't know what to do with Superman. Other than fly and lift heavy stuff, what else can he do to keep the audience interested"

Seriously? People have FAITH in these guys?
 
Oh WB. He's been going goddamn strong since 1940.

"We don't know what to do with Green Lantern. Other than making green things with his ring, what else can he do to keep the audience interested?"

"We don't know what to do with Superman. Other than fly and lift heavy stuff, what else can he do to keep the audience interested"

Seriously? People have FAITH in these guys?



I sure don't. They struck magnificent gold with Nolan. I doubt they'll get that lucky again.

These idiots need to actually start using their heads for once.
 
Oh WB. He's been going goddamn strong since 1940.

"We don't know what to do with Green Lantern. Other than making green things with his ring, what else can he do to keep the audience interested?"

"We don't know what to do with Superman. Other than fly and lift heavy stuff, what else can he do to keep the audience interested"

Seriously? People have FAITH in these guys?
They do? News to me. The only DC property WB has made successful films out of is Batman, and that's all due to Christopher Nolan. Otherwise, I look to Marvel for my superhero movie fix. I also like Marvel more than DC in general.
Please don't hurt me.
 
They do? News to me. The only DC property WB has made successful films out of is Batman, and that's all due to Christopher Nolan. Otherwise, I look to Marvel for my superhero movie fix. I also like Marvel more than DC in general.
Please don't hurt me.

Yeah I've seen people on this board who near completely trust WB in handling future comic properties after Nolan is done with Batman.

I will be immensely surprised if the next Batman movie is good at all, and I'm only cautiously optimistic with the upcoming Superman(they've already got a point against them for including Zod, AGAIN). Even more so with Green Lantern, their first Superhero outing outside of Batman/Superman, being what it is.
 
While you make valid points about each project, WB and DC wouldn't be pushing for a Justice League film if they didn't intend to introduce the main five members of the League (Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, The Green Lantern and The Flash)...

The Justice League film will simply introduce these new characters.

That was the plan in 2007 after Superman Returns underperformed. Do a Justice League film introducing a new rebooted Superman and all his JL buddies.

It fell through when Nolan didn't want another Batman besides his version.

I think the only certain carryover character into World Finest and Justice League we have now is Cavill as Superman.


WB is mostly to blame for the failure. They've only been focusing on Batman and Superman simply because the franchises rake in alot of dough without much effort. However, WB is trying to move forward. For instance, Watchmen was a great addition, and an outstanding piece of cinematic work -- unfortunately the film is severely underrated..

It didn't make money for Warner Bros and bombed below it's production budget. That's all the studio sees.


I wish Nolan & his crew could take over the entire department but Nolan has stated that he's done directing superhero flicks after TDKR.

We're in agreement.
 
I disagree. Wonder Woman, The Flash and Green Lantern have a substantial amount of potential but horrible casting and writing has stalled two of these three projects. Yet these issues that can be fixed by the end of the year.

Sometimes I wonder, with all the decades of content to draw from, and wide pool of actors/actresses who're dying to be in a superhero movie, how someone can do so badly with script and casting. But I'm not in the business so I can't say why this process is more complicated than it should be.
 
Yeah I've seen people on this board who near completely trust WB in handling future comic properties after Nolan is done with Batman.

I will be immensely surprised if the next Batman movie is good at all, and I'm only cautiously optimistic with the upcoming Superman(they've already got a point against them for including Zod, AGAIN). Even more so with Green Lantern, their first Superhero outing outside of Batman/Superman, being what it is.
I have not actually watched Superman 1 (at least completely) or 2, sadly enough. I will get around to it though since they're on instant on Netflix. As for recycling characters, I'm guessing they're playing on nostalgia. Who knows at this point. But yeah, after hearing Snyder being announced as director, the project pretty much fell off my radar completely. Though I liked Watchmen, Snyder isn't adequate at creating his own vision, or at least a good one.

It is ridiculous to put any faith in WB at this point. Once Nolan stops directing films for them, I highly doubt that any of their other films will be good.
 
Here we go again. Look, I love most comic properties, but I also acknowledge that a large number of them just aren't meant to be hugely successful blockbusters, it's just a fact.

I got near assaulted on here in the GL thread stating what I thought to be obvious before the movie was even done filming. It just wasn't going to work. The margin of error for a character like that is extremely small, and I think Flash is in the same boat.
 
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What ever happened to Nicolas Winding Refn's proposed take on Wonder Woman with Christina Hendricks in the lead role. I was actually getting insanely excited for that, especially considering how good Drive looks.
 
What ever happened to Nicolas Winding Refn's proposed take on Wonder Woman with Christina Hendricks in the lead role. I was actually getting insanely excited for that, especially considering how good Drive looks.

Refn says if his Logan's Run remake is successful WB might give him Wonder Woman.
 
I would love to see some more Oscar-winning (or Oscar-worthy) directors on Batman, and hell, maybe even other comic book properties.
 
I believe Bale was mentioned for the role of the antagonist not the one Brolin is taking so there's still a possibility.
 
tbh, I'd like to see a 300/Watchman-stylized Batman, with very arty silhouettes and the painted over look of a comic.

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There are certain stories/books that would work with this and some that wouldn't. One that would work GREAT with this style(and I honestly wouldn't want it any other way) is The Dark Knight Returns.
 
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See, this is a perfect of example of poorly adapting imagery from the comic. That panel to the left is minimalist and is far more evocative of a ******, crime-ridden neighborhood in the 80s as opposed to color-filled, in-your-face approach of the film image. I didn't like the move at all--missed the point on so many levels.

I'd rather they drain the colors and go for a less-is-more approach to adapting a Frank Miller Batman.
 
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See, this is a perfect of example of poorly adapting imagery from the comic. That panel to the left is minimalist and is far more evocative of a ******, crime-ridden neighborhood in the 80s as opposed to color-filled, in-your-face approach of the film image. I didn't like the move at all--missed the point on so many levels.

I'd rather they drain the colors and go for a less-is-more approach to adapting a Frank Miller Batman.

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I cringe at those two images. They got it all wrong.
 
I think the problem with the Watchmen film is that it felt like it took place in the deep future instead of 1985. It felt like Battlestar Galactica and not at all like the Watchmen graphic novel. The graphic novel actually felt like it was a product of its time. The movie felt like it was Duck Dodgers in the 241⁄2th Century mixed with Pluto Nash.

As for DC's other film properties, I personally don't think we'll see any development with The Flash, Green Lantern, or Wonder Woman. I feel like these projects are dead for at least another 6 or 7 years. Especially if they have to build these characters from the ground up and then combine them into a Justice League movie. It's just not going to fly successfully... not yet anyway.

The thing they should definitely start with now is combining Batman and Superman and giving us World's Finest first. If they can do that and not screw it up, then I'll trust WB to throw in more characters. But so far, I trusted them with one character (Green Lantern) and it turns out that I shouldn't have trusted them. Shame on all of you for thinking that they'll combine five of the most recognized superheroes into one movie. Get real.

And instead of rebooting Superman yet again, just use Henry Cavill and Zack Snyder's world for World's Finest. Just put the new Batman in Henry Cavill's universe. That is, if WB and Snyder don't screw that up either. But the important thing to remember about Man of Steel is that Jonathan Nolan, David Goyer, and Christopher Nolan are all involved in the screenplay and story, while Chris came up with the story with Goyer, and Chris is producing the film. All that alone is a huge deal, regardless of who's directing it.

But yes, certainly, it's a pretty crummy time to be a DC fan right now. Now that Nolan's Batman is ending, I genuinely fear for the future. Especially with Batman. If they don't get a respected director in the same league as Nolan, like David Fincher or Darren Aronofsky, there might be a serious crisis on our hands.

As far as Man of Steel goes, I just don't see that movie failing. It CAN'T fail. Not when you've got the Nolans and David Goyer involved. Christopher Nolan and David Goyer came up with the story, while Goyer and Jonathan Nolan wrote the screenplay. AND Christopher Nolan and his wife Emma Thomas are producing it.

Not to mention that Amy Adams, Russell Crowe, Kevin Costner, Diane Lane, Julia Ormond, Laurence Fishburne, and Michael Shannon ALL AGREED to be in this movie.

The biggest name Superman Returns had was Kevin Spacey, and that was pretty much the only thing that movie had going for it.

I just don't see how it's possible that ALL OF THESE TALENTED PEOPLE agreed to be in this film, UNLESS it's actually going to be the real deal. The script and story from Nolan and Goyer must've been truly stellar.

If Man of Steel ends up being terrible, or ends up following the same path as Green Lantern, all of these people should be embarrassed and ashamed for YEARS like George Clooney and Uma Thurman were for Batman & Robin. For these reasons, I just can't imagine this movie being bad. It must be incredible. I mean, almost none of these people have ever been in a superhero movie before, and Russell Crowe and Amy Adams don't seem like the "superhero movie type." Same with Michael Shannon. This is a group of people who are interested in Oscar movies and not comic book movies.
 
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The next Batman doesn't necessarily need a big name director. Just one who has experience and gets Batman very well.
 
The next Batman doesn't necessarily need a big name director. Just one who has experience and gets Batman very well.

Every guy claims to "get" Batman. But there are only a few that really can pull it off. Comic wise, I'd say Paul Dini is the go-to for everything Bats. He knows the mythos inside and out.
 

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