Lionsgate "Power Rangers" - - - - - - - - - - - Part 20

[DarthSkywalker]

short answer yes

So when is Warcraft 2 coming out? How much do they make off toys in China?

 

[kj2005dawn]

It's not a win for Lionsgate to make money but their overseas partners lose money.

these same international partners lost money of the divergent movies, they are not going in this with a gun to their head, they know who they were getting in bed with, they know how lionsgate operates as a company is different than a disney or sony

 

[DarthSkywalker]

these same international partners lost money of the divergent movies, they are not going in this with a gun to their head, they now who they were getting in bed with, they know how lionsgate operates as a company is different than a disney or sony

Which is why the final Divergent money is coming out in theaters this coming winter...

Why bring up Disney? The vast majority of the time Disney distributes its own movies across the globe. They rarely have to deal with overseas distributors.

 

[kj2005dawn]

So when is Warcraft 2 coming out? How much do they make off toys in China?

warcraft wasn't financed with presales, so while universal had to put up their own money to get warcraft made, power rangers didn't, china got 75% of warcraft box office, without putting no money for marketing or production up front, lionsgate didn't need to pay for marketing in china because they presold everything, so china got to keep 100% of the box office

 

[DarthSkywalker]

warcraft wasn't financed with presales, so while universal had to put up their own money to get warcraft made, power rangers didn't, china got 75% of warcraft box office, without putting no money for marketing or production up front, lionsgate didn't need to pay for marketing in china because they presold everything, so china got to keep 100% of the box office

China did not get 75% of Warcraft's box office, because the studio that put out Warcraft is owned by a Chinese company.

Wanda has a ton of money. If they wanted, they could make Warcraft 2 happen right now. They still may, like they did with Pacific Rim 2. But you will also notice Pacific Rim 2 had to take a haircut and then cast a lead actor from the third highest grossing movie of all time.

 

[momotaros]

I remember when I thought it was likely to do $300 million. Good days, good days.

I said 250M and even I look foolish now.

 

[Wildcard]

I'm curious too

It can be costly but as far as I know it's not the most expensive on the list. You're basically paying per second of animation.

I mean, look at Pete's Dragon. Elliot looks completely realistic & features in a multitude of scenes but the film only had a budget of $65 million. Equipment and location take up the major chunks of most budgets...and depending on the film, the salary of the actor.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Outside of the Dragon that film didn't look expensive to me.

I know this is easy for me to say and that it must be extremely difficult but Power Rangers did need better management of it's budget.

 

[kj2005dawn]

China did not get 75% of Warcraft's box office, because the studio that put out Warcraft is owned by a Chinese company.

in china, united states distributors have to pay for marketing and only get to keep 25% of the box office, the idea behind it is it's worth it because china is a big box office, i think it's a fool's errand if you ask me

 

[kj2005dawn]

I said 250M and even I look foolish now.

250 is possible

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It can be costly but as far as I know it's not the most expensive on the list. You're basically paying per second of animation.

I mean, look at Pete's Dragon. Elliot looks completely realistic & features in a multitude of scenes but the film only had a budget of $65 million. Equipment and location take up the major chunks of most budgets...and depending on the film, the salary of the actor.

CGI theoretically is cheaper. But again, about how you film it. How you use the budget.

One of my favorite stories is that "Cowboys and Aliens" budget was so high because of the incredible buffet they had to have every day on set.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

in china, united states distributors have to pay for marketing and only get to keep 25% of the box office, the idea behind it is it's worth it because china is a big box office, i think it's a fool's errand if you ask me

That is why Legendary probably didn't distributor Warcraft in China. Instead Wanda probably used one of their many other film distributors to put the film out in China at next to no cost for themselves outside of marketing. I also believe they own a least one theater chain out out there.

 

[MadVillainy]

CGI theoretically is cheaper. But again, about how you film it. How you use the budget.

One of my favorite stories is that "Cowboys and Aliens" budget was so high because of the incredibly buffet they had to have every day on set.

worth it.

The most ridiculous budget story for me is Lone Ranger when they literally rebuilt and old western town and I think the trains as well

 

[Goonie]

lionsgate made their money back, their international partners are upset they lost money, but this was never a sure thing

and this all is maybe because asia may do 180 million

The
Production Budget: $100 million they get half of that & even less when you add in advertising costs & paying back the theaters & any of the actors that get part of the box office

They made nothing from this nothing

 

[DarthSkywalker]

worth it.

The most ridiculous budget story for me is Lone Ranger when they literally rebuilt and old western town and I think the trains as well

The trains were worth it. Stunning. Don't understand the need for the town, they were barely in it. They used the trains quite a bit though.

 

[Black Narcissus]

I'm just hoping Pacific Rim sequel gives us better isssh than this.

 

[kj2005dawn]

The
Production Budget: $100 million they get half of that & even less when you add in advertising costs & paying back the theaters & any of the actors that get part of the box office

They made nothing from this nothing

lionsgate needs this to cross 41,000,000 to break even

 

[MadVillainy]

The trains were worth it. Stunning. Don't understand the need for the town, they were barely in it. They used the trains quite a bit though.

Eh I dont think it worth it to make the train when trying to launch a franchise of The Lone Ranger especially when it helps inflate the budget to way more than it neede dto be

 

[DarthSkywalker]

lionsgate needs this to cross 41,000,000 to break even

Since when? They are responsible for 25% of the budget, that even if you believe its only 105m, would be 26m on their part. Then they had to distributor the movie in the US, Canada and UK. There is of course marketing in those territories as well.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Nah I dont think it worth it to make the train when trying to launch a franchise of The Lone Ranger especially when it helps inflate the budget to way more than it neede dto be

Totally worth it. Disney has the money to burn and there was never going to be a sequel. Go big, go home and start thinking about the next Pirates sequel.

 

[Goonie]

Totally worth it. Disney has the money to burn and there was never going to be a sequel. Go big, go home and start thinking about the next Pirates sequel.

They could have done an entire sequel on that train if they wanted to if Under Siege could do it

 

[MadVillainy]

lionsgate needs this to cross 41,000,000 to break even

Source?...seriously actual source. Not "I have insider friends" do you have an actual source?

 

[Black Narcissus]

lionsgate needs this to cross 41,000,000 to break even

Jason David Frank,

I know you have three goddamn first names, but do not crutch to this awful box office. Yo ponytail has seen better days, man. Why you acting like you''ll get a line at the next fast place joint in the film? What happened to you, mayne? Yo ass use to be beautiful. Now you running around with your Steven Segal hair and taking pics in the background. SNap out of it son and take this 99cents box office gain from goddamn china.

 

[kj2005dawn]

Since when? They are responsible for 25% of the budget, that even if you believe its only 105m, would be 26m on their part. Then they had to distributor the movie in the US, Canada and UK. There is of course marketing in those territories as well.

lionsgate paid $25,000,000 + $40,000,000 marketing

$30,000,000 for the united states and canada, $10,000,000 for the uk

that is $65,000,000, lionsgate gets 55% of the box office from dom. and uk

power rangers made $75,000,000 dom, $4,000,000 in the uk, so $41,000,000 brings power rangers to break even

using the 45% - 55% split, powers rangers has to gross $120,000,000 in Dom + Uk for lionsgate to break even

 

[Wildcard]

Outside of the Dragon that film didn't look expensive to me.

I know this is easy for me to say and that it must be extremely difficult but Power Rangers did need better management of it's budget.

It wasn't. And I think what helped is that New Zealand are pretty laxed on the costs of filming there.

You're right about that. It's a similar situation to TASM movies and a handful of other blockbusters that money was just poured into only for there to be nothing to show for it.