Logan LOGAN - User Review and Reactions Thread (Spoilers)

[The Batman]

I wouldn't say that. The wolverine character has been done right such as in The Wolverine, and even X-men 2.

Logan of course is the first truly great solo wolverine outing.
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As well as the best film in the x-men franchise [/BLACKOUT]

Disagree with the blackout, but agree with mostly everything else.

I'd say that The Wolverine, Logan, and X-Men 1 have near perfect Wolverine performances.

X2 and DOFP feel like hollywood-ized versions of Wolverine, but are still good.

TLS and X-Men Origins are easily the worst Wolverine performances.

 

[LoganPool]

Can someone tell me how

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the clone character was done? Was it CGI on Hugh's face to make him look younger?

There was something off there for me and I cannot figure out what that was exactly

X24 was how Hugh Jackman normally looks. (Except with a beard.) The CGI/make-up effects was for Logan himself, because Hugh isn't that old.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

X2 and DOFP feel like hollywood-ized versions of Wolverine, but are still good.

If those are the Hollywoodized versions, then what about Origins? I've never seen Wolverine so heinously sanitized. It's funny, Origins was supposed to be the one movie where he ought to have been at his most brutal and unhinged, and yet it's the one where he looks like a cover model.

 

[FunkMiller]

The more I think about this movie, the more I'm becoming convinced it's only behind The Dark Knight in terms of the best CBMs of all time.

 

[harlequinade]

X24 was how Hugh Jackman normally looks. (Except with a beard.) The CGI/make-up effects was for Logan himself, because Hugh isn't that old.

And there was no CGI involved there? Wow he looks young then I knew the scars and some of it was make up with Logan. Really great work in so many things in the movie because I couldn't tell what was real and what wasn't

 

[righthooksrus86]

If nothing else I think Logan will be remembered as having one of the most beautifully poignant death scenes for an iconic film character ever. The Dark Knight Rises would be up there too if it didnt include the scene of Bruce at the diner with Selina.

 

[Pennywise]

Just saw "Logan" today with my family. I thought it was a really great film with fine performances, great cinematography, awesome action sequences and a beautiful ending. There were a few weak spots such as Zander, and X-24, but loved his introduction as he felt like the Terminator. I'm really holding out for this film to get nominated for Award Season next year. Jackman, Stewart and Keen deserve it!

 

[Daywalker89]

Man..this film THIS ****ing film was such a emotional thrill ride. I felt everything this film was emitting unfortunately i had two immature women laughing at most scenes including his death but apart from that . Everyone delivered in this film. The weight this film had was just immense and was a great experience. Those first 5 mins where the brutality was on show just set me on that rollercoaster. Every stab or slash i could feel a rage ive never felt before with any wolverine performance maybe because it was so relentless and savage that my body werent ready for it.

Xavier and Laura were fantastic, was great while on screen and enjoyed there performances throughout. The villains were quite cookie cutter but done a solid job overall. X24 reminded me of a terminator 1984 , i got that sense of dread. The guy was complete savage and everything Logan could of been.

9/10 Easily in my top 3 xmen films alongside side X2 and DOFP. What a bow out from Hugh thanks for the last 17 years. Gave 110%. I was never really feeling the production of this film but the range of emotion i felt last night. Has been a realization that nothing will come close this year. Honestly near the end i has so much pent up rage i wanted to slice and dice those that were laughing during those emotional scenes.

 

[Pennywise]

Man..this film THIS ****ing film was such a emotional thrill ride. I felt everything this film was emitting unfortunately i had two immature women laughing at most scenes including his death but apart from that . Everyone delivered in this film. The weight this film had was just immense and was a great experience. Those first 5 mins where the brutality was on show just set me on that rollercoaster. Every stab or slash i could feel a rage ive never felt before with any wolverine performance maybe because it was so relentless and savage that my body werent ready for it.

Xavier and Laura were fantastic, was great while on screen and enjoyed there performances throughout. The villains were quite cookie cutter but done a solid job overall. X24 reminded me of a terminator 1984 , i got that sense of dread. The guy was complete savage and everything Logan could of been.

9/10 Easily in my top 3 xmen films alongside side X2 and DOFP. What a bow out from Hugh thanks for the last 17 years. Gave 110%. I was never really feeling the production of this film but the range of emotion i felt last night. Has been a realization that nothing will come close this year. Honestly near the end i has so much pent up rage i wanted to slice and dice those that were laughing during those emotional scenes.

I definitely know the feeling. My sister laughed at the way Laura sounded when she said, "Daddy". I thought the delivery of the line sounded fine, but she didn't.

 

[Clark-Kent]

The hype surrounding this made me build it up to be more than it was, but all in all still pretty good.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

My podcast has our LOGAN review up. We start with a history of Wolverine and talk about Jackman in the role first though. To hear the review without all that just skip to the 40min. mark. Enjoy.

#HughandStewonTBC

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

just saw it. great film

 

[Batmannerism]

Just saw it. Have to say that the first 2/3 of the film (up to Xavier's death) was a 10/10, best cbm ever - the last 1/3 fell a little bit flat, and would have been a 9/10.

To be honest, I think the ending could have been a little more uplifting

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not that Logan necessarily should have lived, because he was always going to die, but I feel like both he and Xavier just needed a few more seconds of time before they expired, maybe a line or two of dialogue, something redemptive, either that or he should have gotten over himself and acknowledged Laura earlier. I mean, if he had agreed to escort the kids over the border and died exactly the same way, I feel like it would have lightened the mood just a little.

So overall a 9.5/10, if the last act had been a little (just a tiny bit lighter) then it would have been better than Dark Knight. But for the poll I'll go 10/10.

- best X-Men film hands down though, none of the other come even close.

 

[X-Maniac]

I saw it last night, my first viewing. I think overwhelmingly positive reviews will give it a solid second weekend.

I wouldn't say this is the 'best X-Men film' because, to me, it isn't really an X-Men film. But it's the best Wolverine movie.

I found the first half very slow, i was wriggling around in my seat. The action/superpower scenes are good (Xavier's seizure stopping the attack in the casino; the attack at the farm; and the final showdown in the woods). Dafne is great as X23. I didn't get at all emotional. And the use of Shane footage/dialogue felt a bit heavy-handed.

I enjoyed the acting from Patrick Stewart, Dafne Keen and Boyd Holbrook, in particular. Jackman was good but still a bit flat and emotionless for me.

Caliban wasn't really vitally important/useful to the plot, in my view.

The timeline/continuity is weird as ever, expecting me to believe all this happened just six years after the 2023 happy future epilogue of DoFP. Felt like it should have been 15-20 years later. 2039 would have worked better. But the whole feel of the movie was more of a standalone.

Also, they dwelt a lot on the X-Men comic books not being anything like real life. Seemed very much like Mangold giving the middle finger to comic book fans. But the comics are where Wolverine and Xavier come from originally, not sure why they were treated with such contempt as nothing but fairy stories.

It's very good, there are no technical issues (like bad VFX etc), the writing is very good ('this is what life feels like'.., though it's Patrick Stewart who sells the line). I would give it a 7.5 or 8 out of 10. My friend felt it was a solid 8. He enjoyed it more than me and had no quibbles at all but he admitted he also noticed the over-use of Shane and the contempt for the comics.

I'm glad they didn't use Omega Red instead of X24, he's better kept for an X-Men team movie and would have been out of place here. Someone else's suggestion of an elderly Magneto appearing at Eden and drawing the metal out of Logan so he could spend his final years with Laura might also have worked though, and perhaps would have been more unexpected than Logan's death (which seemed like the obvious thing that would happen).

 

[Deserana]

Finally got to see this last night. I have a weird relationship with the X Men films, they are by far my least favourite series of current CBMs. I only really really like First Class and DoFP and I only dislike, Origins the rest are all 'Meh' to "Good" and I haven't seen Apocalypse (there's just something about Singers visual style I find so bland). Yet, I was really looking forward to this because despite my feelings toward the franchise Hugh Jackman is ****ing incredible as Wolverine in everything.

I have not stopped thinking about this movie since last night. Whilst watching it there were things that nagged at me, some characters didn't work, some scenes went a little too long but in retrospect, after seeing the film as a whole it all seemed intentional. Every piece builds it to a perfect final shot.

And I think this is because it did actually end. It was only concerned with the story it was telling, it wasn't thinking five movies ahead. In recent years I've been conditioned by CBMs to think "oh it doesn't matter we all know he'll live for the next film" to the point that when people started biting the dust it was genuinely shocking.

The performances are a clear step above the usual CBM too. Jackman and Stewart are pitch perfect every scene and it is crazy how convincing they are as older versions of their characters. Dafne Keen was very convincing as both cute kid and lethal killing machine. Boyd Holbrook was wonderful as Pierce, he was a great surprise in the second villain role he had the right level of charisma without stepping into hammy mode.

My only cons would be Richard E Grants character but it's hardly a complaint because he served the exact role he needed and his style of death seemed to make it clear just how unimportant his role is. Stephen Merchant was my only other issue but that's nothing to do with him and more because I've watched everything he's done and listened to every podcast with him, Ricky Gervais and Karl Pilkington so when I see him as an albino mutant, it's very hard to get used to. But they used his character in such a way that I managed o care about him.

Other than that there is so little to complain about. The Logan double and kid mutants were a little more comic booky than I was expecting in a film like this but that issue is more my expectation than how it was executed I'm sure now I know it's coming it won't bother me.

This was a perfect ending to the best character of a very bizarre franchise and whilst a cameo in Deadpool would be perfect, as you could easily say it's not in canon with Logan and just fun but I'd hate for them to screw this ending with a return in an actual canonical X Men movie.

 

[Leenie]

Saw it for the second time last night. I still absolutely adore this movie.

 

[DeadStroke]

Saw the movie a few days ago.

First act: 9/10
Rest of the movie: 6 or 6.5/10

Worst part were the mutant kids and their corny powers (grass control... seriously?). I also didn't like how the Reavers were completely wasted... you could've replaced them with regular goons and nothing would have changed.

But again, I really loved the first act.

I can't help but notice, on my second viewing, after the scene where the bury Charles, the movie just didn't seem as interesting and I'm not sure what it is but yeah the first 2 acts were definetly amazing and flowed well and then the 3rd act just kind of lacked. Even though Logan's death and funeral were great (and the scene where Logan is telling Laura how she has everything etc.), the scenes in between just kind of lacked for some reason.

This is a very good film, but I don't quite think it lives up to the hype of it being the best CBM since The Dark Knight. Heck, overall I preferred Fox's own film Deadpool from a year ago.

Everyone knows the positives, so I'll focus on the two major problems that stand out to me.

The first is the same thing that has plagued almost every recent CBM, which is mediocre villains. I won't bother going into much detail because they are the same generic baddies we've seen a hundred times.

The bigger problem is that I thought the movie was extremely predictable. I don't mean just in terms of the big picture. We know James Bond is likely going to stop the villain and save the world. The fun is in seeing how it happens. Even Marvel which is notorious for being formulaic managed to throw some twists in how things were resolved in their two films from last year. But here, practically every single major story beat is telegraphed well in advance. There isn't a single surprise or twist or anything in this movie. It happens exactly how you would expect. As an example, take X-24. The very second he appears on screen I knew how he would be defeated and the circumstances surrounding it. And sure enough, an hour later it happens exactly like that. And that's just one example. The whole movie is like that.

Overall, 8/10. What it does well, it does really well, and it is perfect as a sendoff for Jackman and Stewart, but the flaws are too glaring for me to give it more than that.

2nd viewing made me realize just how much the acting and action saved it from being a disappointment..

I'd say the story was one of the least interesting in the X-Men Universe (outside of the really bad movies)

However, you could feel the love and effort they gave with this movie.

Its flawed, but still a darn good film.

 

[Ivan Drago]

Plot is overrated. Characters should drive the story, not the plot.

Here's a really interesting piece Mangold himself wrote during his reddit Q&A while answering a fan question.

"I think movies have gotten really plot heavy and lost their focus on character, and one of the really beautiful aspects of the western, both Italian westerns, american westerns, even Australian westerns, and even samurai pictures which were very related to the western in tone and style is that they really go deep in character. They're still action films but they go very deep exploring the characters involved in the stories.
Well I think my first part of my answer kind of answered my second part as well, is that I think we tried very hard to simplify the story that often comic book films and tent-pole films in general tend to have plots that you need a roadmap to follow and we tried to make a film in which the plot was secondary and it wouldn't require much explaining, that it was fairly easy to understand, and therefore we could spend most of the time going deeper into the characters, their problems, instead of showing you maps and diagrams about where the story was going."

 

[Smilodon]

I used to think plot was really important, but reading a lot of analysis of Logan, a lot of them mention how important character is over plot. Character is everything. We're too used to all these switchbacks as part of the plot. Very much happens in this film - though it is mostly emotional. We are supposed to feel the changes in the characters and feel what they feel - I think that's the point of the film. Not that the other is bad, it's just something we aren't particularly used to in blockbusters.

http://buff.ly/2mKUc0q

Here's an interesting analysis of Logan and the teachings of one Jim's famous teachers.

 

[DeadStroke]

lol David Ayer found that not to be true.

All kidding aside.

Just because Logan the character is great doesn't make the movie great imo.

We can talk how the plot is not that important, but then why should we ignore the flaws in the plot that we do get?

As a character study this is one of the best ever for a comic book film. The problem for me I LOVE the movie in parts. However, it doesn't flow together into the great film it could have been.

I mean its close to an 8/10 for me. So what works really works.

Its just when people mention this in the same breath as The Dark Knight I have to have a very critical eye.

I'd argue that Deadpool had better pacing.

Its maybe in the top 5 of comic book movies in the past couple of years though.



Winter Soldier/Guardians of the Galaxy/Days Of Future Past, etc.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Plot vs character. Listen to what the master has to say about it.

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[KRYPTON INC.]

I will menti N this as better than TDK because I feel it is better than TDK. I am just far more invested in the story, the outcome and the characters than I have ever been with TDK. Which isn't to say TDK is "bad". Thinking LOGAN is a "better" or exceeds TDK in some way doesn't mean one is throwing TDK under the bus. LOGAN manages to have better one on one physical confrontations than TDK, plus it's character interactions, emotions and performances exceed what TDK does for me as well. Are those absent from TDK? No. Of course not. But I felt much more engaged by those aspects in Logan. In Logan I felt there was three stand out bravura performances all from the film's lead characters, where in TDK one character drives the whole thing with a magnetic performance in my view and it's the villain, which as amazing as the performance was is actually par for the course with a lot of films. Logan was compelling because of its protagonists. Logan also was not hampered by frankly, a very declarative script. Much less is "explained" in dialog and more with nuanced performance of the actors and through the director's skill of showing us with the images.

But in thinking that in no way does it diminish Nolan's Batman film. It does mean I and others I would wager, think that it does better in very key and important aspects in judging a film's excellence.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Mangold's directing is fantastic. On par with Raimi in Spider-man 2 and Shyamalan in Unbreakable.

 

[danoyse]

Saw it again today. Still emotionally devastated....

 

[marvelrobbins]

Saw it again today. Still emotionally devastated....

well that is understable for fans of franchise

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with X-24 killing Xavier and wolverine giving his life for X-23